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The Sewer That Is The GOP: With All The White Supremacists, Conspiracy Nutters, And Other Malicious Whacko Subgroups, How Does It Get Fixed?

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1 hour ago, tshile said:

That’s the best they’ve got?

dude that’s retiring and going to continue to help republicans win elections asked to have his party changed?

 

bold move 


They have been doing this **** since we were born in on way or another. They can’t stop now even if they wanted to. 

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A lifelong Republican stood up to Trump. His reward: Death threats

 

One of his earliest political memories was being a 9-year-old rooting for Republican Ronald Reagan to defeat Democratic President Jimmy Carter. At 15, he volunteered on a Republican senator’s unsuccessful reelection campaign. He served as executive director of his state's College Republicans.

 

By 1992, at the age of 21, Gabriel Sterling was helping direct President George H.W. Bush’s reelection campaign in Georgia. He's continued to work for Republican candidates and causes ever since.

 

But Sterling, a boyish and bespectacled 50-year-old with thick gray hair, has found himself in a surprising place for such a loyal Republican: on the receiving end of ire and death threats after he criticized President Trump over his falsehood-filled campaign to overturn the results of an election he lost.

 

The threats are graphic. Someone texted him his home address and told him to sleep with his eyes open. Another urged him to commit suicide. He found his name on a website of the president's perceived enemies, his face in gun crosshairs. Police guard his home. On a recent evening, he heard his front door rattle and, not expecting company, leaped to attack an intruder. It turned out to be his startled fiancée.

 

“I never expected to be in this situation. I mean, my title is statewide voting system implementation manager, right?" Sterling said.

 

As many elected Republicans have joined Trump's baseless attacks on the foundations of democracy, this statewide voting system implementation manager has emerged as one of the few who had the courage to bluntly and passionately speak truth to power.

 

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This also relates to this which I posted in the election thread:

 

 

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The Right’s Predictable Turn Against Mitch McConnell

 

Who didn’t see this coming? Certainly, Mitch McConnell did. The Senate Majority Leader waited 42 days to acknowledge that Joe Biden was the president-elect. Undoubtedly part of his hesitation was the predictable wrath from the right and how the backlash would impact the Georgia Senate runoffs. We are now seeing both of those scenes play out, and the president himself is taking part.

 

 

And despite being a loyal ally of Donald Trump over the last four years, the tweeter-in chief-shared a post from a Trump campaign attorney who wrote McConnell “is NOT a Patriot.”

 

 

It’s especially ironic to see some Trump supporters call McConnell a RINO (Republican in name only). Note: McConnell has been a loyal Republican for decades longer than the current president.

 

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2 hours ago, LD0506 said:

America’s survival depends on bankrupting the Republican Party

 

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/12/americas-survival-depends-on-bankrupting-the-republican-party/

 

 

As much as I'd like to see that...

 

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GOP supporters are easily separated from their money.  Trump got $200 million after losing the election.

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“The party can’t move on”: Ross Douthat on the Republican Party after Trump

 

The Trump administration is careening towards its inglorious end, but Trump, the political force, likely isn’t going away.

 

It’s possible — maybe even probable — that Trump runs for the Republican nomination again in 2024. It’s just as possible that Trump’s children grab the baton and run for office themselves (at least two of them have already hinted at this). Or maybe Trump launches his own media empire and terrorizes the Republican establishment from the outside.

 

In all of these scenarios, the specter of Trump hangs over the GOP for years to come. And that, more than anything, is why American democracy’s long-term prospects seem so gloomy to many.

 

Regardless of what Trump does post-presidency, his impact on the conservative base has been profound. According to one poll, 70 percent of Republicans don’t believe the 2020 election was free and fair. That’s not all that surprising considering the leader of the party is telling his followers that the process was rigged and illegitimate. So whatever direction the GOP goes, they’re going with a Trumpian base and that might be the defining constraint for the party over the next four years.

 

To talk through what comes next, I reached out to New York Times columnist Ross Douthat. Douthat is consistently one of the more thoughtful observers of contemporary conservatism and just an insightful voice on the broader ideological landscape. We discuss why a conspiratorial mindset prevails on the right, if Republicans have an insoluble demand-side problem with their base, and if the GOP has a coherent ideological future with or without Trump.

 

A lightly edited transcript of our conversation follows.

 

Why do you think so many “normal conservatives,” to use your phrase, continue to believe that the election was rigged? We’re talking about 70 percent of the Republican Party, not just a minority of Birthers or QAnon fantasists.

 

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Meet the GOP freshmen taking on the ‘Squad’

 

On the first day of Congress’ freshman orientation, four incoming GOP members realized they shared a special connection: All had first- or second-hand experience living in communist or socialist countries.

 

The crew quipped that their family histories with brutal dictatorships and their aversion to Big Government basically made them the opposite of the liberal “Squad” that has surged to political stardom in the House.

 

Taking a page from their social media savvy rivals, they took to Twitter to share the name of their own counterrevolution. And the Republican “Force” was born.

 

“It was a natural alliance that formed. … We understand what it’s like in other countries. We understand how truly special this nation is,” Rep.-elect Nicole Malliotakis (R-N.Y.), whose mother was born in Cuba, recalled in an interview. “And we look forward to working together to push back on anyone who tries to bring a socialist agenda to America.”

 

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54 minutes ago, Zguy28 said:

So, is Mitch McConnell "everything that is wrong with the GOP" or is it Donald Trump? i'm getting mixed messages...

 

Let the thread title be your guide and start there.  The current GOP is a wretched hive of white supremacists and conspiracy nutters.  I'd perhaps throw in rampant science denial, though in a way that fits under conspiracy nutters.  That is what is wrong with the GOP.  Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell are read herrings.  An apotheosis of such values, not the cause.  So don't be confused.  What may come across as mixed messaging is mostly people focusing on particular traits is these individuals as exemplars of the underlying problems.

 

Now...what I haven't read a lot of in this thread is "How To Fix It".  So if you have some ideas we are all ears.

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The GOP is unfixable and the thing is, why would they even fix themselves?

 

Let's see.   They won seats in the House of Representatives, not lost.

The Senate is down to 2 races next week and even if they lose, it will be just 50-50. Dems only have control since they have the Veep slot.

They won down at the state level.

 

Other than the presidency, the GOP did great in 2020.  

 

Also, do you know that in order to vote for Speaker; you physically have to be present to vote.  There's a chance the GOP's Kevin Mccarthy could be speaker; if there's not enough Dems present when voting occurs.  

 

The GOP is poised to do well in the 2022 midterms and as long as they don't nominate Trump or a Trumpy candidate; they could win back the presidency in 24.

 

 

It's actually the Dems who may have problems in 22 and 24. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Dan T. said:

 

Have your honeymoon, but Trumpsters are the angry ex-girlfriend peeking into and banging on your bedroom window.

 

So you're saying to invite the Trumpsters in for a threesome?

 

I mean, I'm not really an orgy guy...I don't have the velvet bathrobe and slippers...but I guess if you think it will help Dan.

 

 

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11 hours ago, Jabbyrwock said:

Now...what I haven't read a lot of in this thread is "How To Fix It".  So if you have some ideas we are all ears.

 

 

the answer is education and critical thinking skills with mixing in how to use the internet. 
 

the problem is I don’t know how you do that with people that have already been trained to eject authority. It’s wholesale. They don’t recognize authority in any sense. Government, academics/research, economics, science, foreign policy... they don’t recognize any authority figure on any subject. It’s not that they don’t recognize the ones the rest of us do, they just don’t recognize there is or could be any authority on anything. 
 

they think everyone’s a crook, everyone’s out to screw everyone over. Everyone’s cheating and lying. Everyone has a nefarious motive. This is part of why they’re such suckers for conspiracy theories (the other part is that they’re losers - I think it was the Atlantic that did a good article years ago on how people attracted to conspiracy theories are, generally, losers and conspiracy theories tend to conveniently explain with their loserdom is out of their control and the work of people in the shadows, and in the context of the country theyre a losers - demographics, power, ideals, all of it is going away for them)

 

so I don’t know how you get past that. The basis of my opinions (even when I’m in error and wrong or misunderstand or whatever) is facts, expertise, and data. That’s what I appeal to. Show me a reputable person on a subject that backs their opinions up verifiable facts and you’ll probably turn me into a supporter of the opinion. 
 

these people don’t and won’t appeal to any of that. 
 

they appeal to random YouTube videos by people with no credentials, that are nonsensical rubbish, but just so happen to speak to their preferred narrative. 
 

I have lots of law enforcement in my family. One Trump supporter that has a career working with multiple three letter agencies. I asked him how he could in any way remain a trump supporter when trump trashed both the fbi and intelligence communities as institutions in this country. 
 

the response? “You don’t think the fbi is corrupt?!?!!”

 

my jaw dropped. 10 years ago he would have taken anyone to task for such a comment. Sure, they have warts, but anyone’s thats actually spent time working with them knows that on the whole they’re reputable and quality institutions that are among, if not the, best in the world at what they do. 
 

he now thinks they’re all corrupt and anti-American. 
 

these people are brainwashed. Sinking a boat we convince them all to get on would be a more productive and realistic plan than trying to figure out how to change them. 
 

also still for just letting them have florida and building a wall for them. But that’s more expensive than the boat idea. 

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It's a long involved process but getting us here was too, so that shouldn't come as a shock.

 

Where do you start? Jobs. People with jobs have less time to be pissed and have to get home and sleep because they have to get up in the morning to go to work. People with jobs associate with a wider range of people, have to depend on a wider range of people, not just those in their bubble. Jobs means businesses means rebuilding tax bases that have been gutted for the last 50 years. Tax base means you can start to address the delinquent negligence of school systems, etc.

 

I am old enough that I came of age in the 70s, right at the tail end of the taken for granted straightforward get a job-build a life-etc. lives we used to have. I saw the corporations closing and moving overseas, I saw neighbors who had invested their lives in jobs that threw them away destroyed by it, I saw companies telling themselves "Well we're not ever goin to let those people into supervision or management and tell US what to do!" take their ball and go to China. I am an economic refugee as much as any Syrian paddling towards Greece, I just had the luxury of driving out of the Rust Belt towards better opportunities. No internment camps, nothin. But the impetus was the same.

 

Two generations of this have left the heart of this country devastated. Drug abuse is about despair. Crime is about despair. Paranoia and trumpism and Q-natic raving is about despair. 

 

And this was constructed piece by piece for the profit of Rupert Murdoch and a host of other parasites.

 

Did they see what they were doing? Maybe not, maybe but they didn't GAF? Greed doesn't usually coexist with foresight.

 

The killed off America the way they killed off the buffalo, wastefully, wantonly, with no thought to the undeniable fact that at some point you get to the last buffalo, and then what do you do?

 

But it's hard, you don't wave a magic wand or a political slogan and jobs just suddenly sprout from the ground. Business and finance and economics are hard, unless you're 9 with a lemonade stand. We need to take a page from FDR et. al. and have the feds guaranteeing loans and investments to spur job growth, with harsh oversight to keep the looters from killing the program (see Solyndra). We need to dismantle the anti-union, anti-labor Greeduclican policies that have spread across the nation. We need to breed and foster a new generation of businessmen and corporate leaders with some morality or ethos beyond the Gordon Gekko statue in the boardroom. We need business to be American again. We need to allow business to be American again and stop damning every single individual that ever does succeed at something. The responsibilities go both ways.

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5 hours ago, LD0506 said:

And this was constructed piece by piece for the profit of Rupert Murdoch and a host of other parasites.

 

America's been in steady decline for decades and it started in the late 70's from what I can discern. I highly recommend this book: Evil Geniuses: The Unmaking of America by Kurt Andersen. It delves into the re-engineering of our political economy by the right spearheaded by Milton Friedman, Lewis Powell, the Koch brothers, and the Coors and DeVos families.

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