twa Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Springfield said: I kinda feel like we are heading there any way, it's just a matter of time. The wrong people do seem froggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I'd almost like us to do some seriously nasty air strikes against regime targets and then completely deny any involvement... and blame it on errant Russian missiles. We'd know it's bull****, they'd know it's bull****...just like when they claimed the chemical attacks were caused by hitting rebel stockpiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 5 hours ago, AsburySkinsFan said: Yes. When they are blown apart with American made bombs from our state of the art steath planes they are collateral damage which is an acceptable loss in war. Gassing them with weapons made somewhere else is terrible because... wait I forgot where this was going....I know there must be some massive difference to fire up our national outrage as opposed to US jets bombing schools. The options are military intervention against genocide *or* no civilian casualties caused by the US. There is no option in which the US can intervene perfectly, and there is no option where civilians do not die horribly no matter what the US does. So the question becomes how do we want it to end? In that, we see that there is a huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 7 hours ago, Riggo-toni said: I'd almost like us to do some seriously nasty air strikes against regime targets and then completely deny any involvement... and blame it on errant Russian missiles. We'd know it's bull****, they'd know it's bull****...just like when they claimed the chemical attacks were caused by hitting rebel stockpiles. I wonder if we can get Israel to do something. They haven't been shy about striking the regime before, but they tend to do it on a limited basis. It will be interesting to see if any of our allies have some ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 This has been a much more common tactic the past few years since the sarin stocks were somewhat emptied and their usage brought on a bit too much publicity for the regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AsburySkinsFan Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 7 hours ago, Destino said: The options are military intervention against genocide *or* no civilian casualties caused by the US. There is no option in which the US can intervene perfectly, and there is no option where civilians do not die horribly no matter what the US does. So the question becomes how do we want it to end? In that, we see that there is a huge difference. I get it. But there are no good guys over there, I was hoping that the anti-Assad rebels would be, but then those efforts seem largely co-opted by ISIS. And now Assad is gassing people, and the Russians/Trump have been assisting Assad. My comments on the difference between gassing and bombs are just to point out our arbitrary moral outrage. The Russians/Assad forces destroyed Aleppo, with massive civilian losses higher than the gassing. But somehow gassing sparks the moral outrage, as if that is the line too far. Bomb a whole city = legit. Gas a village = moral outrage. And yes I bring US forces because until the gassing Trump was backing Assad. And now Trump wants to go against Assad, which then means doing something about the Russians backing Assad. So, we'll see what that looks like. In the end this is a massive cluster, and few if any in the US want to see MORE US troops fighting in another sandbox. I'm glad that everyone had a moral wake-up call with the gassing, but were you all just hitting the snooze button for the last couple years? Well now I'm just rambling so ignore me. #frustrated #helpless #IWontSacrificeMyKidsToTheGodsOfWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 I had forgotten about the scud missles. There were quite a few too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Why am I Mr. Pink? Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 5 hours ago, visionary said: I wonder if we can get Israel to do something. They haven't been shy about striking the regime before, but they tend to do it on a limited basis. It will be interesting to see if any of our allies have some ideas. They do it with pre-approval or at least notice to Russia though ... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Just a reminder... https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/world/middleeast/syria.html?mwrsm=Facebook&referer=http://m.facebook.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Why am I Mr. Pink? Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I think Russia will have to tacitly approve any US airstrikes on a Syria regime target. Or we see what the F-35 can do and hope we dont lose a couple of our best pilots in the process ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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visionary Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 Fmr PM, leading member of the main opposition group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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twa Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 33 minutes ago, Why am I Mr. Pink? said: I think Russia will have to tacitly approve any US airstrikes on a Syria regime target. Or we see what the F-35 can do and hope we dont lose a couple of our best pilots in the process ... More a matter of what the new Growlers can do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 They have supposedly said things like this before, but usually not at crucial moments like today and usually it's followed by them publicly saying otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haithman Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 It's their currency for getting sanctions reduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why am I Mr. Pink? Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 11 minutes ago, twa said: More a matter of what the new Growlers can do I dont think jamming the S-300 is 100% possible. (I had to read up on the Growler so my knowledge is limited) We might see. Scary times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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visionary Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 Wait...what? Think I'm getting some whiplash here. Ya know, Mr. Assad, this is a nice little place you got here. Be a shame if something were to happen to it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 FOR ****'S SAKE IS TILLERSON SERIOUS ABOUT HIS JOB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 Quote However, when asked whether the British military should get involved in the country if it results in conflict with Russia, Britons are more evenly split. Some 41% would support UK involvement, while 38% would oppose it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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