Game Day Thread - Redskins at Giants

[Koolblue13]

@RandyHolt. Lumbering to me means slow, plodding, etc. Semantics. Glad we agree.

Only difference IMO, Murphy is a DE. Exclusively. And a good one. Putting him out of position doesn't change that.

 

[skinny21]

Anyone else notice Bruton sitting on the bench after his (stolen?) interception?  Assistant comes up to him right after the review and Bruton kind of throws his hands up (I took it as a "How was that not an INT?").  The assistant leans forward and points* to the Redskins name on Bruton's jersey and Bruton nodded.  Not the first time someone on the team has shown that they think the name is a factor.  Random, I know... just thought it an interesting interaction.  

 

*actually, he ran his finger along the name - I only say this to point out that he wasn't just prodding his chest or something.  

 

[NattyBo]

14 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

Anyone else notice Bruton sitting on the bench after his (stolen?) interception?  Assistant comes up to him right after the review and Bruton kind of throws his hands up (I took it as a "How was that not an INT?").  The assistant leans forward and points* to the Redskins name on Bruton's jersey and Bruton nodded.  Not the first time someone on the team has shown that they think the name is a factor.  Random, I know... just thought it an interesting interaction.  

 

*actually, he ran his finger along the name - I only say this to point out that he wasn't just prodding his chest or something.  

 

 

I saw that too, but have a slightly different interpretation. I don't think it's about the name controversy, I think it was to indicate "we're not one of the teams in the league that gets calls."  You all know as well as I do that certain teams get the benefit of the doubt...I don't think I have to name them.

[s0crates]

@skinny21 I noticed that too. I don't know if he meant to attribute the bad call to something about our mascot, but he was clearly suggesting to Bruton that the refs like to screw the Redskins for some reason.

[RandyHolt]

2 hours ago, pjfootballer said:

I guess the ball was still in the air and because it was a personal foul, they had to offset. Think of it like a roughing the punter.  The ball is already gone, but the guy plows him.  Post kick, first down.

I suspect there are special rules to protect the kicker due to the uniqueness of the position. It's too tempting (for lack of a better phrase) to take out a kicker if it will never cost you a possession.  This was a gunner vs a DB post block.

Maybe the ball needed to be recovered by the Giants clearly before the PF occurred for them to gain possession.   Or, the PF had to have occurred after the whistle.  Back to the INT QB clocked during the return scenario... ball in the air as PF happens - sorry NO INT. What about a QB PFd simultaneously as INT was caught... or .5 seconds later, maybe after the INTer makes a football move - it just seems a fine line there. 

I would be interested to know the exact rule on punts, e.g. how far along in the play can a PF prevent a change of possession on a punt if at all. That was a huge play in the game.

[Stefanskins]

19 hours ago, Nfcbeasts4721 said:

Yes that's the sign of a winning team!!!..

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3807105/Giants-Odell-Beckham-Jr-throws-tantrum-fighting-kicking-net-falls-head-starts-cry.html

[Going Commando]

10 hours ago, s0crates said:

 

I think it's normal if you lose two interior linemen to injury in the same game. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know it's not unusual for teams to only dress 2 or 3 backup linemen.

 

That is normal.  Can only dress 46, and remember three are specialists used only in the kicking and punting game, so you have to deactivate 7 regulars.  That's one from each unit (OLs, DLs, LBs, DBs, Backs, and WRs &TEs) plus a second one from one of your bigger units.  No team can really afford to dress 9 OLs on game day.  They'll dress eight or even seven if they've got back ups that can play all five spots on the line.

Roster management is very complicated.  The NFL could make it a lot simpler (and improve the quality of play during the games) by just letting all 53 be active.

[Stefanskins]

22 hours ago, clskinsfan said:

Who is ODB?

 

22 hours ago, s0crates said:

 

Yup. Emotional ODB scares me.

 

[NewCliche21]

2 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

That is normal.  Can only dress 46, and remember three are specialists used only in the kicking and punting game, so you have to deactivate 7 regulars.  That's one from each unit (OLs, DLs, LBs, DBs, Backs, and WRs &TEs) plus a second one from one of your bigger units.  No team can really afford to dress 9 OLs on game day.  They'll dress eight or even seven if they've got back ups that can play all five spots on the line.

Roster management is very complicated.  The NFL could make it a lot simpler (and improve the quality of play during the games) by just letting all 53 be active.

The NFL has some pretty assinine rules.  Remember George Allen with 40 men together can't lose?  Then we get 44.  Then 46.  Just do the damned 53.  I don't understand the logic there as it just creates a higher likelihood for injury (someone playing out of position is more likely to not be as aware of his circumstances and almost always has less experience than the starter, and therefore injuries would be harder to avoid).

[s0crates]

Don't know why I want to call OBJ ODB.

[Voice_of_Reason]

14 hours ago, shakinaiken said:

 

If you start Ty and Trent, who's the backup tackle? I think Arie gets the nod at LG, Long at center, and Ty remains the "backup."

If Ty gets hurt, then Trent slides back to LT, and Arie moves in at LG.  If Moses gets hurt, Ty slides to RT, Trent goes back to LT, and Arie comes in as guard.

If Trent gets hurt (you're ****ed anyway), you plug in Arie.  

If Sherff gets hurt, I guess Arie goes in there.  

If 2 more players go down, it really doesn't matter, you're screwed.  You'd be down to your 4th and 4th backups.  

The fact that Trent is probably the best player at any of the positions along the OL helps a lot.  And to me, it's all about putting the best 5 on the field.  If that means Trent plays LG, then that's fine with me.

BONUS, it also puts Trent next to Long, who's probably the weakest of the linemen in any situation, which probably helps.  If Arie goes in, then having Long and Arie next to each other could cause a lot of problems.  

[Voice_of_Reason]

14 hours ago, thesubmittedone said:

 

Agreed, but I don't think Arie is ready. At least not based on this preseason. Almost seemed like he regressed. I don't know if it's because they had him working on more positions and so he was somewhat lost or what, but he looked like a guy who needed way more seasoning. 

I have no idea if he is or not, but I do believe that TW is better at LT than anybody on the team, LG than anybody on the team, and probably could be better at RG or RT.  Maybe not Center.  But Maybe.

I am of the opinion that you get your best 5 guys out there, and say screw it to the position.  If the TN + TW > TW + AK (or whoever else), then screw it, that's the group you go with .  

(In other words, I think we agree.)

[markmills67]

33 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

If Ty gets hurt, then Trent slides back to LT, and Arie moves in at LG.  If Moses gets hurt, Ty slides to RT, Trent goes back to LT, and Arie comes in as guard.

If Trent gets hurt (you're ****ed anyway), you plug in Arie.  

If Sherff gets hurt, I guess Arie goes in there.  

If 2 more players go down, it really doesn't matter, you're screwed.  You'd be down to your 4th and 4th backups.  

The fact that Trent is probably the best player at any of the positions along the OL helps a lot.  And to me, it's all about putting the best 5 on the field.  If that means Trent plays LG, then that's fine with me.

BONUS, it also puts Trent next to Long, who's probably the weakest of the linemen in any situation, which probably helps.  If Arie goes in, then having Long and Arie next to each other could cause a lot of problems.  

I mentioned this in another thread,  You can't in my opinion start Long and Arie together unless you are down to the last bare bones on your OL. Start Sunday as we finished last Sunday.

[Stadium-Armory]

Ohh by the way, we (i.e. Kirk) just beat a winning team (on the road).

[Voice_of_Reason]

2 minutes ago, Stadium-Armory said:

Ohh by the way, we (i.e. Kirk) just beat a winning team (on the road).

(looking around for the swarm of locus)