Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 If California is our economic future, you all can keep it. A privileged economy for the select few. Home ownership is out of reach, and not so much a squeeze on middle and working class, but an outright war. Progress towards a landscape populated by dull, wealthy, bored people who all want to throw gobs of money at the next thing. Except the next thing is more of the same. The best art, food, music, and culture is born from the lower class, not the upper. ..... We haven't had a good Zoony hot take in a while. That was fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdcskins Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Home ownership isn't out of reach. Just depends on where you want to live. Gotta make some sacrifices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinz4Life12 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Home ownership isn't out of reach. Just depends on where you want to live. Gotta make some sacrifices. Maybe what Zoony means is that a 3k sq ft home on a half acre lot a few blocks from the ocean is out of reach for most people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdcskins Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Maybe what Zoony means is that a 3k sq ft home on a half acre lot a few blocks from the ocean is out of reach for most people Yes, that would be correct. Living in super desirable areas is out of reach for most people in most cities. Everyone wants to live in Potomac or Georgetown or Kenwood. Just not feasible. But they can buy a perfectly house in Gaithersburg and commute 45 minutes to work and not live near all the popular restaurants and landmarks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 WTF are you talking about? Home ownership isn't out of reach in California. It's out of reach for the average schmoe in 2 metropolitan areas in the state..maybe. Yes, the average joe can't afford to live the SF Bay Area or San Diego. That leaves a thousand other cities that they can afford to live in. As for you other comment. Are you are really claiming that California is white? The most diverse populated state in the US is white? Are you out of your ****ing mind? For some housing data, check this -- http://www.realtor.org/sites/default/files/reports/2015/embargoes/2014-q4-metro-home-prices/metro-home-prices-q4-2014-single-family-2015-02-11.pdf The median single family home price in the DC metro area is 380k? really?? i just did a "roll-over" on zillow, and i didn't see a SINGLE single-family home for that amount or less as i went west from the city until i got to leesburg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 name the smelt and salmon national security risks instead of endangered species.....and build some damn dams. Wait what? There are dams on virtually every river in the state, other than a few in the far north that are essentially inaccessible due to geography. The entire state is a huge artificial water project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Wait what? There are dams on virtually every river in the state, other than a few in the far north that are essentially inaccessible due to geography. The entire state is a huge artificial water project. To be fair, some (a lot) of those dams are outdated and inefficient (the big one, the Shasta Dam, is like 70 years old). But where is the new dam money going to come from? Exactly. Yes, that would be correct. Living in super desirable areas is out of reach for most people in most cities. Everyone wants to live in Potomac or Georgetown or Kenwood. Just not feasible. But they can buy a perfectly house in Gaithersburg and commute 45 minutes to work and not live near all the popular restaurants and landmarks. Also, some of the metro areas listed have no room for additional growth (like the SF Bay Area) or have other factors that keep housing prices inflated (a side effect of Prop 13 in California). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExoDus84 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 If California is our economic future, you all can keep it. A privileged economy for the select few. Home ownership is out of reach, and not so much a squeeze on middle and working class, but an outright war. Progress towards a landscape populated by dull, wealthy, bored people who all want to throw gobs of money at the next thing. Except the next thing is more of the same. The best art, food, music, and culture is born from the lower class, not the upper. ..... I think most states would love to have a world-beating economy. Home ownership is not out of reach. There's quite a varied landscape where I live, between south Orange County and Riverside county. Plenty of people who can't afford homes in the rich OC buy homes in Riverside. Ask anybody who has to make that hellish commute back and forth every day. Yes, if you want to live in a very desirable area in Orange County, it's going to cost you. Supply and demand at work, which is no different than any other area. How cheap is living in NYC? How about Fairfax County? DC? There are less expensive, and more expensive, areas of every state in the union. I don't know what your point about art, food, and the lower class is. I do know California, especially southern California, is ridiculously diverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I have a question for the "build a dam" and "let the fish die" crowd. Do you realize that there is, like, no water in California right now? Or do you really think there is plenty of water but gay fish are drinking it all? The snowpack has gone missing. Did a fish steal it? http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2015/03/30/california-drought-snowpack-sierra/70682114/ There is also no rain. So, I don't quite get what is going behind all these dams. http://www.weatherwest.com/archives/1658 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I have a question for the "build a dam" and "let the fish die" crowd. Do you realize that there is, like, no water in California right now? Or do you really think there is plenty of water but gay fish are drinking it all? The snowpack has gone missing. Did a fish steal it? http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2015/03/30/california-drought-snowpack-sierra/70682114/ There is also no rain. So, I don't quite get what is going behind all these dams. http://www.weatherwest.com/archives/1658 How many acre feet of water have they released to save the fish over the last year? \ The snow pack and rain are always variable which is why you keep reserves instead of pissing it away.....enjoy the desalination , ya earned it Look..I get that you and TWA hate California, zoony. But c'mon..some of your hate is misguided and quite ridiculous. Why would I hate Cali?.....we need somewhere to send the nuts. until ya'll slide off in the Pacific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Wait what? There are dams on virtually every river in the state, other than a few in the far north that are essentially inaccessible due to geography. The entire state is a huge artificial water project. you mean it is like your oil reserves? Hey if ya'll want to let millions of acre feet of water go to the sea in a drought or sit on oil while importing it is your choice. I know someone that will sell ya more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 How many acre feet of water have they released to save the fish over the last year? The most extreme Republican scare-mongers put it at 100 million gallons a year - or enough to handle 5 weeks of water for almond farming. Out of curiosity, why does Northern California have to sacrifice its water and all the economic benefit associated with it for the Central Valley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdcskins Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I don't know what your point about art, food, and the lower class is. I do know California, especially southern California, is ridiculously diverse. This is so true. I can't see how anyone could say California is not diverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 California isn't the only state with water problems. Just the only one getting the press about it. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/californias-water-crisis-coming-soon-215604640.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xameil Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Out of curiosity, why does Northern California have to sacrifice its water and all the economic benefit associated with it for the Central Valley? That same argument could be said for why do people have to sacrifice their own money for someone else's health.....couldn't it? Just curious where the line is drawn between levels of sacrifice of one for another...selective socialism always confused me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Out of curiosity, why does Northern California have to sacrifice its water and all the economic benefit associated with it for the Central Valley? Because Sacramento (by that, I mean the State) oversold the water rights to them a long time ago. That decision was probably made without the forethought of a decade or two of drought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 that seems like an easy one--- when we "joined" the same republic? Its pretty likely that I am never going to drive on I-335 between Topeka and Emporia, Kansas... but I'm ALSO not going to **** moan and complain because some of my tax dollars are going towards roads there selective libertarianism always confuses me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 As a CA resident since 5 years old, it doesn't surprise me in the least anymore at how many people who have never been to the state think Orange County(Los Angeles) & San Francisco cover the entire state. CA is about as diverse as a state can get in every single way you can think of. Does the state have issues? Sure, but so does every state. "Ruling class of wealthy" I am willing to bet that is a problem everywhere, not just CA, it might be because the wealthy enjoy living on the coasts so you have a bigger % out here but to pretend it is just a problem in CA is intellectually dishonest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Do you realize that there is, like, no water in California right now? Or do you really think there is plenty of water but gay fish are drinking it all Mic had been dropped. Tip your waitress and get out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xameil Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 that seems like an easy one--- when we "joined" the same republic? Its pretty likely that I am never going to drive on I-335 between Topeka and Emporia, Kansas... but I'm ALSO not going to **** moan and complain because some of my tax dollars are going towards roads there selective libertarianism always confuses me.... Still didn't answer me...it was an honest question...no selectivity in my part..no need to get huffy or pissy...wait...how did you put it before..butt hurt.. Sorry if my question butt hurt you...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Still didn't answer me...it was an honest question...no selectivity in my part..no need to get huffy or pissy...wait...how did you put it before..butt hurt.. Sorry if my question butt hurt you...lol You realize that you are responding to a different person, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rictus58 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Why not just water the Almonds with Brawndo? It's got what plants crave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xameil Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 You realize that you are responding to a different person, don't you? I am? Thought his response was at mine...in the immortal words of Emily Lately (Gilda Radner on SNL) "Nevermind" Why not just water the Almonds with Brawndo? It's got what plants crave.It's got electrolytes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 The eight other states running out of water. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/9-states-running-water-102631632.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Mic had been dropped. Tip your waitress and get out. And complete BS notice he didn't answer how much has been released this year? in fact one water district refused a release order http://www.mantecabulletin.com/section/1/article/122566/ The South San Joaquin Irrigation District, upon receipt of a federal order to change the release schedule from Goodwin Dam, has taken the extraordinary step of defying the notice after conferring with legal counsel – instead sending a letter outlining the district’s position in summary with a single question. “Whose water will be released down the Stanislaus River to satisfy the second pulse flow?” For the second time in the last three weeks, a federal order to release a surge of water down the river has been issued. The first, which Shields said defied logic and far exceeded the biological necessities of the ecological system – the district also pays upwards of $1 million annually for biologists to study fish flows and patterns – was a 15,000 acre-foot burst intended to propel freshly hatched salmon fry out into the San Joaquin River Delta. So when word came that history would be repeated, Shields and the district retained the services of Northern California water resource attorneys O’Laughlin & Paris LLP and immediately drafted a letter that they submitted on Monday at 4:30 p.m. The federal order called for the water to be released at 1 a.m. today. add A big part of the reason that I get so fired up when I talk about it is because the federal government and the state government have absolutely no stake in SSJID or those reservoirs or that water,” Shields said. “Those dams were build with $1.9 million in bonds that were secured by farmers in Manteca and Escalon and Ripon. They did it on their own, and they didn’t ask for anybody’s help while doing it, so to have them come back and say this now – yeah, I get a little bit fired up about that.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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