UK Breakup?

[visionary]

Perth and Kinross no, North Lanarkshire yes, South Lanarkshire no.

[thebluefood]

10 percentage points in favor of No.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

So this is basically over then?

[visionary]

Glasgow as expected goes yes

So this is basically over then?

It's probably been over since they had low turnout in some supposed yes vote strongholds and an early no vote surprise or two.

[nonniey]

Sky news called it for No. Glasgow wasn't enough and most of the remaining councils are no strongholds.

Seems the bigger cities and industrial areas were the heavy yes areas, Rural and non industrial cities were no strongholds.

[visionary]

http://news.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/09/18/scotland-independence-referendum-voting-and-results/?_php=true&_type=blogs&src=twt&twt=nytimesworld&_r=0#edinburgh-votes-overwhelmingly-no

Edinburgh, Scotland’s capital city, voted overwhelmingly against independence by 194,638 votes to 123,927, a margin of 61-39.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Smartest move the Jocks have ever made.

They'd of been Royally screwed going it alone with nothing behind them.

Surprised at the sizeable 'no' swing but happy for those in Scotland they have. The grass mos certainly isn't always greener.

Hail.

[visionary]

http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/live

David Cameron says there is clear support for maintaining the union. It is time now for the UK to come together - with a "balanced settlement" which is fair to Scotland and elsewhere in the UK.

 

He says the debate on independence has been "settled for a generation": the settled will of the Scottish people. That latter a conscious echo of words delivered by John Smith about devolution.

 

Now, he says, there is a chance to change the way the British people are governed. Once more, emphasis on all the constituent parts of the UK.

 

Insists the promises for Scotland will be delivered "in full". Lord Smith of Kelvin to oversee that process. England, Wales and NI must have bigger say too. A new and fair settlement across the UK.

More powers for Wales. Make devolved institutions function effectively in NI. But now England must be heard. In short, he wants a decisive answer on West Lothian - with English votes on English issues. William Hague to work on that. To the same timetable as the Scottish action.

 

Challenges: can it be done to the timetable; will not some, perhaps many, at Westminster want to move on to other issues; will not the UK parties be focused on fighting the General Election rather than agreeing on the constitution.

 

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/live

 

.....

David Cameron says there is clear support for maintaining the union. It is time now for the UK to come together - with a "balanced settlement" which is fair to Scotland and elsewhere in the UK.

 

He says the debate on independence has been "settled for a generation": the settled will of the Scottish people. That latter a conscious echo of words delivered by John Smith about devolution.

 

Now, he says, there is a chance to change the way the British people are governed .....

 

Sweet. Can we start with your resignation please Sir?

 

Hail.

[Pedro]

As it stands regardless of devolution plans we (the UK) have a choice between a moderate right party and a slightly more right party with two fringe players in Lib Dems and UKIP.  Devolution of power to the regions won't change that.

 

If Scotland had of voted yes Labour would have had to position themselves, in Scotland, to the left of the centerist SNP.

 

Anywhere not the greater london area of UK will still be ****ed.

 

In a 'democracy' we get what we deserve.

[ixcuincle]

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

The Bugle podcast was fantastic yesterday.

[nonniey]

As it stands regardless of devolution plans we (the UK) have a choice between a moderate right party and a slightly more right party with two fringe players in Lib Dems and UKIP.  Devolution of power to the regions won't change that.

 

If Scotland had of voted yes Labour would have had to position themselves, in Scotland, to the left of the centerist SNP.

 

Anywhere not the greater london area of UK will still be ****ed.

 

In a 'democracy' we get what we deserve.

Wow if you think Labour is slightly right (I assume you were referring to labour) or even that the Tories were a right wing party you must left of Lenin.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

REAL interesting to here the PM talk of possible local devolution off the back of this.

 

Hail.

[Pedro]

Wow if you think Labour is slightly right (I assume you were referring to labour) or even that the Tories were a right wing party you must left of Lenin.

 

 

Nah, history has shown too far left or right is not optimal for a truly civilised and vibrant population.

[visionary]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/russia-calls-foul-scottish-referendum?CMP=twt_gu

Russia cries foul over Scottish independence vote

 

Russia has said the conduct of the Scottish referendum "did not meet international standards", with its observers complaining the count took place in rooms that were too big and that the procedure was badly flawed.

 

In an apparent attempt to mirror persistent western criticism of Russia's own elections, Igor Borisov – an accredited observer – said the poll failed to meet basic international norms.

 

Borisov and three other Russians arrived in Edinburgh on Wednesday evening, the state news agency Ria Novosti reported. The team from Moscow's Public Institute of Suffrage watched voting take place in the Scottish capital and the surrounding area. It also met with Scottish politicians, voters and representatives from non-governmental organisations, Ria said.

 

Borisov said he was unimpressed by what he saw. He said the room where he watched the count on Thursday night was a cavernous "aircraft hangar" next to an airfield. It was difficult to see what was going on, he said, adding: "The hangar is approximately 100m by 300m. There are tables, with voting papers stacked upon them, but the observers are stuck around the perimeter. Even if you want to, it's impossible to tell what's happening. It's also unclear where the boxes with ballot papers come from."

 

Borisov said the US state department, the UK and other western countries loudly hectored the Kremlin about Russia's supposed democratic deficiencies. But in this instance, he said, London and Edinburgh had not "fully met" the requirements of a proper referendum.

 

"Nobody was interested in who was bringing in the voting slips. There were no stamps or signatures as the bulletins were handed over," he said.

 

Supporters of the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, had been fervently hoping for a yes vote. Some Russian nationalists had even fixed yes badges to their Twitter profiles, with one –Konstantin Rykov – adding a "Mc" to the front of his Cyrillic surname. (The badge and "Mc" had disappeared by Friday morning). The Kremlin apparently saw Scottish independence as a way of justifying its own hasty annexation of Crimea in March, following a "referendum" conducted in just three weeks and condemned by the west, as armed Russian forces and irregulars swarmed over the Crimean peninsula. Moscow also felt that a yes vote would weaken the UK and bring to power a post-independence Scottish government more amenable to Moscow's wishes. Alex Salmond, Scotland's first minister, expressed qualified admiration for President Putin in an interview with GQ in March.

 

https://twitter.com/BBCJamesCook

Alex Salmond says when he asked David Cameron about the timetable for more powers, the prime minister said it was a meaningless process.

11:25 AM

 

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-29277527

Scottish referendum: Salmond to quit after Scots vote No

 

Alex Salmond is to step down as Scottish first minister after voters rejected independence.

 

He will also resign as leader of the Scottish National Party (SNP), which he has led for a total of 20 years.

[Corcaigh]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/russia-calls-foul-scottish-referendum?CMP=twt_gu

 

Russia has said the conduct of the Scottish referendum "did not meet international standards", with its observers complaining the count took place in rooms that were too big and that the procedure was badly flawed.

 

 

If CNN is anything to go by, the Russians may have a point about the election:

 

[Predicto]

I'm not sure I believe anything Alex Salmond says about these events anymore, much less what he claims David Cameron said to him in private.   (and believe me, I'm no supporter of the Tories)

 

Salmond seems like the worst kind of pandering populist.  

[ixcuincle]

But why does Scotland have their own currency

 

You ever try to use Scottish money in England? There is nothing more tense in life. 

[Corcaigh]

The de facto Scottish National Anthem is Flower of Scotland. It's all about independence. When they play it at the next rugby international in front of nearly 70,000 fans, will half the crowd just look awkwardly at their feet and not sing the words?

 

O flower of Scotland
When will we see
Your like again
That fought and died for
Your wee bit hill and glen
And stood against him
Proud Edward's army
And sent him homeward
Tae think again

The hills are bare now
And autumn leaves lie thick and still
O'er land that is lost now
Which those so dearly held
And stood against him
Proud Edward's army
And sent him homeward
Tae think again

Those days are passed now
And in the past they must remain
But we can still rise now
And be the nation again
And stood against him
Proud Edward's army
And sent him homeward
Tae think again

[visionary]

Going to the Maryland Ren Fest tomorrow, and it's Scottish weekend.  

I expect there will be a lot of Jacobite and some Scottish independence songs sung.

Should be a bit awkward, I'm thinking.  

[Corcaigh]

Going to the Maryland Ren Fest tomorrow, and it's Scottish weekend.  

I expect there will be a lot of Jacobite and some Scottish independence songs sung.

Should be a bit awkward, I'm thinking.  

 

Maybe it's just me, but I'd consider an obese dude named Randy from Baltimore dressed in hose and codpiece a lot more awkward.

[visionary]

Maybe it's just me, but I'd consider an obese dude from Baltimore dressed in hose and codpiece a lot more awkward.