Larry Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 There you go with your liberal myth about the effects of secondhand lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuNiT21 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 So now guns are being compared to the Ebola virus and cigarettes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 So now guns are being compared to the Ebola virus and cigarettes? Do you really not see the arguments being made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 So now guns are being compared to the Ebola virus and cigarettes? So now stupid arguments that people have actually made is being compared to stupid arguments that people are smart enough not to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuNiT21 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Do you really not see the arguments being made? I guess I could. What is the argument? Leave the Ebola virus out of it though, you have no control over something like that. You have a right to smoke cigarettes if you want too just like you have the right to own a gun? I don't understand what the problem is. If you don't like guns, don't buy one. If you don't want to smoke cigarettes, don't smoke them. Plenty of places are gun free, plenty of places are smoke free. Are you so outraged at the amount of people dying by cigarettes you spend just enough time asking your lawmakers for "Cigarette Control"? If you want to talk about the comparison we can also talk about the amount of people who die by alcohol and cigarettes on a yearly basis as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuNiT21 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 So now stupid arguments that people have actually made is being compared to stupid arguments that people are smart enough not to make. Prove it Larry? Prove I said a "stupid argument" Did I use the word stupid? Now who do I sound like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 No, I guess you didn't. So, over the last several pages a number of posters dismissed the need to address gun violence in a new way because they said the numbers impacted were statistically insignificant. They kept repeating that the number killed was less .1 of 1% of the population. That's the logic. So, here comes Ebola with numbers that stand at less than 1% of that number which people say is so tiny as to not matter. Yet these same naysayers are up on alarm and aghast at Ebola and are upset that someone with the virus, a virus that can only be communicated through the transfer of body fluids was sent to Atlanta. The logic is bizarre in my view especially for those who tried to argue with statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 As to the tobacco thing. Twa accused gun control folks and anti-cigarette folks of sharing some of the same logic and tactics. I think his point is reasonable. The point isn't to say that tobacco = guns = Ebola. That's missing the point entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 <--------must work on name recognition Whilst also wondering why people are still allowed to smoke tobacco but not crack (and I smoke cigarettes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 As to the tobacco thing. Twa accused gun control folks and anti-cigarette folks of sharing some of the same logic and tactics. I think his point is reasonable. The point isn't to say that tobacco = guns = Ebola. That's missing the point entirely. yeah, the point is ya'll are are bunch of nanny state ninnys next it will be red meat and bacon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Prove it Larry? Prove I said a "stupid argument" Did I use the word stupid? Now who do I sound like? Somebody who's desperately trying to avoid responding to what people actually said, by desperately trying to pretend they said something else? Just an impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuNiT21 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Somebody who's desperately trying to avoid responding to what people actually said, by desperately trying to pretend they said something else? Just an impression. So then stop responding to my posts I guess? It's impossible to have a conversation with someone who argues with himself half of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuNiT21 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 No, I guess you didn't. So, over the last several pages a number of posters dismissed the need to address gun violence in a new way because they said the numbers impacted were statistically insignificant. They kept repeating that the number killed was less .1 of 1% of the population. That's the logic. So, here comes Ebola with numbers that stand at less than 1% of that number which people say is so tiny as to not matter. Yet these same naysayers are up on alarm and aghast at Ebola and are upset that someone with the virus, a virus that can only be communicated through the transfer of body fluids was sent to Atlanta. The logic is bizarre in my view especially for those who tried to argue with statistics. I guess I missed that my apologies. Who are these naysayers you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 No, I guess you didn't. So, over the last several pages a number of posters dismissed the need to address gun violence in a new way because they said the numbers impacted were statistically insignificant. They kept repeating that the number killed was less .1 of 1% of the population. That's the logic. So, here comes Ebola with numbers that stand at less than 1% of that number which people say is so tiny as to not matter. Yet these same naysayers are up on alarm and aghast at Ebola and are upset that someone with the virus, a virus that can only be communicated through the transfer of body fluids was sent to Atlanta. The logic is bizarre in my view especially for those who tried to argue with statistics. Burgold, the point is that you really don't have to worry about either happening to you. You don't start your day thinking "Don't get shot today" or "Don't catch Ebola today" because the threat is statistically insignificant. I don't mean that to sound callous, but .1 of 1% is statistically insignificant. The news covers each mass shooting incident for weeks, keeping the threat in front of your face and making it seem significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Burgold, the point is that you really don't have to worry about either happening to you. You don't start your day thinking "Don't get shot today" or "Don't catch Ebola today" because the threat is statistically insignificant. I don't mean that to sound callous, but .1 of 1% is statistically insignificant. The news covers each mass shooting incident for weeks, keeping the threat in front of your face and making it seem significant. I don't get up today thinking "I hope I don't get killed by a drunk driver", either. However, that doesn't mean I'm going to try to use that fact to support my argument of "therefore we should do nothing to even attempt to reduce the number of people killed". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Is this a good time to come point out that I really don't care about the Ebola thing? Does that mean I can have a gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuNiT21 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Also I finally read the Ebola thread and re-read this thread. I didn't read any person that was "up in arms" in the Ebola thread who commented in this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Another one for the file ... a local police deputy shoots his high school daughter (in the dark) thinking she was an intruder. http://www.leesburgtoday.com/news/report-loudoun-deputy-shoots-daughter-mistaken-for-intruder/article_d362cdb8-23da-11e4-82b6-001a4bcf887a.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Another one for the file ... a local police deputy shoots his high school daughter (in the dark) thinking she was an intruder. http://www.leesburgtoday.com/news/report-loudoun-deputy-shoots-daughter-mistaken-for-intruder/article_d362cdb8-23da-11e4-82b6-001a4bcf887a.html Hey look, a straw man. No matter what laws were on the book, this would not have been preventes. Loudoun deputy. He had a weapon on him. His alarm was triggered. He shot in the dark. But let's lump this in with banning handguns.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Hey look, a straw man. No matter what laws were on the book, this would not have been preventes. Loudoun deputy. He had a weapon on him. His alarm was triggered. He shot in the dark. But let's lump this in with banning handguns.... he would probably go for disarming the police as well....furiegners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Hey look, a straw man. No matter what laws were on the book, this would not have been preventes. Straw man is right. Corcaigh never said that a law would have prevented this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Straw man is right. Corcaigh never said that a law would have prevented this. And yet he said "another one" in a thread that is discussing handgun bans. And the other one was a cop in Leesburg. A scenario unaffected by a handgun ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Hey look, a straw man. No matter what laws were on the book, this would not have been preventes. Loudoun deputy. He had a weapon on him. His alarm was triggered. He shot in the dark. But let's lump this in with banning handguns.... A swing and a miss. I was thinking more about beliefs on what is needed for home defense, about fear, about gun safety and managing risk. If you are living in a safe part of town, you significantly increase risk to your loved ones by bringing a gun into the home, especially if you think it appropriate to shoot someone inside your house in the dark without challenging their identity. And yet he said "another one" in a thread that is discussing handgun bans. And the other one was a cop in Leesburg. A scenario unaffected by a handgun ban. I thought we were discussing fear and Ebola at this point of the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuNiT21 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/home-invader-in-missouri-has-panic-attack-after-encountering-armed-homeowner/ Ohhhhh, another one for the file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Another one for the file ... a local police deputy shoots his high school daughter (in the dark) thinking she was an intruder. http://www.leesburgtoday.com/news/report-loudoun-deputy-shoots-daughter-mistaken-for-intruder/article_d362cdb8-23da-11e4-82b6-001a4bcf887a.html I was going to start a thread on this. Happened in my home town. Poor guy had to learn the hard way you should identify a target as a threat before you start shooting. Edit: That sounds harsh. I did mean "poor guy" sincerely, but my mind also jumped to the fact he was a police officer acting irresponsibly with his firearm (been thinking about recent events in Ferguson). This really is a sad story though. You have to feel terrible for the guy. Can you imagine having to live with that? Awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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