chipwhich Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 What exactly does "our own" mean? As a Christian there are no national borders, this is the biggest mistake American Christians make, thinking that their compassion stops at a border. BTW, the only people in our country who are worse off than these kids are the homeless...I don't see long lines of folks standing in line to help them out either. The "help our own first" is a frickin' myth. Because ya care more about the kids coming here than you care about kids already living here who don't have enough food. But it makes your heart feel warmer that you are helping out children from other countries while pretending all is ok here. http://www.nokidhungry.org/problem/hunger-facts http://feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/hunger-facts/child-hunger-facts.aspx BTW, I am not saying compassion stops at the border, but if ya can't feed the people already in our borders, trying to add those outside the borders only magnifies the problem. But like I said, it makes folk feel good round these parts thinking we are doing all this good stuff when they don't really want to look under the covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 BTW, I am not saying compassion stops at the border, but if ya can't feed the people already in our borders, We can feed ours and these too....we choose to buy bombs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 http://www.leesburgtoday.com/news/region/stewart-immigrant-children-being-housed-in-prince-william-county/article_2c0e4393-a6a8-56e1-bb36-094f529fa0ce.html Welcome to Prince William County Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Because ya care more about the kids coming here than you care about kids already living here who don't have enough food. But it makes your heart feel warmer that you are helping out children from other countries while pretending all is ok here. http://www.nokidhungry.org/problem/hunger-facts http://feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/hunger-facts/child-hunger-facts.aspx BTW, I am not saying compassion stops at the border, but if ya can't feed the people already in our borders, trying to add those outside the borders only magnifies the problem. But like I said, it makes folk feel good round these parts thinking we are doing all this good stuff when they don't really want to look under the covers. We could take care of our own if we really wanted to. Instead we get a political discourse that amounts to one side shouting socialism and the other side shouting fascism. Imagine this were instead about "taking care of our own". The right wingers of the board would scream about hand outs and people a using the system and wasting our money on lazy slobs and the left wing would complain that taxes are too low on the highest earners and how the corporation and special interest groups hold all the power and income inequality runs rampant. That's exactly how that would go. And now the people who want to kick the illegals out and prevent them from coming here want to speak out about taking care of our own? It's truly an amusing thing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Like I said, you can try and make yourself feel better, but nothin's changin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 What should be done is this: We should feed them, educate them, and teach them to adapt to American society. And the truth is that they should be relatively separated from American society until they can exist in it. Strict living quarters, regimen, and education. Full health screenings and treatment. Going to need a lot of mental health experts. Oh and family can have visitation but they cannot live with family here in the US. We will, essentially, force them to accept American society. The problems inherent with this should be obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander_N_Chief Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 And now the people who want to kick the illegals out and prevent them from coming here want to speak out about taking care of our own? It's truly an amusing thing to me.You're right to an extent, we haven't made much of an effort to help our own; The argument is the tax payer and citizen are going to help the "needy and unfortunate," and provide all the necessary assistance, then at the very least let's take care of our own with our resources rather than waste them on another country's people that came here illegally.Me personally, as well as others, are going to fork the financial bill for this via taxes sooner rather than later. For me personally it would be easier to swallow if that money was going to be allocated for the people that are here through legal immigration or US birth. No matter how it's sliced, they came here illegally. I'll say it again, they committed a crime the second they touched foot on US soil. They shouldn't be rewarded for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 We live in a country where a city was almost lost to a hurricane because politicians didn't want to spend enough money on their own levees to safeguard the city. Bridges are crumbling because we don't want to allocate the money to fix them. Food stamps and welfare are looked upon with suspicion and derision because of anecdotes telling of people eating steak and having iPhones. Now we want to pretend that these children are what will keep us from taken care of our own? Please. Americans loathe to spend money on things that help Americans. We'll build nfl stadiums, throw people out of their homes for Walmart to build a new store, and riddle the nation with toll roads, but when our government attempts to help anyone congress grinds to a standstill. Illegal children have nothing to do with helping American children. We've grown too accustomed to playing politics and choosing winning arguments over honest open discussion. Children are not game pieces, what is happening at the border with so many children being detained is a humanitarian tragedy. They are victims swept along by the actions of adults. No solution will please everyone but I'll not pretend that these children's are thieves taking food out of my daughters mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 You're right to an extent, we haven't made much of an effort to help our own; The argument is the tax payer and citizen are going to help the "needy and unfortunate," and provide all the necessary assistance, then at the very least let's take care of our own with our resources rather than waste them on another country's people that came here illegally. Me personally, as well as others, are going to fork the financial bill for this via taxes sooner rather than later. For me personally it would be easier to swallow if that money was going to be allocated for the people that are here through legal immigration or US birth. No matter how it's sliced, they came here illegally. I'll say it again, they committed a crime the second they touched foot on US soil. They shouldn't be rewarded for that. I agree with you in some respects I suppose. I agree that they did commit a crime and generally that shouldn't be rewarded. Unfortunately, this is a crime that has been committed millions of times since this country was founded. I don't think that any amout of punishment will stop these crimes and and I don't think any dollar figure in effort to prevent them will stop it completely. People will always want to come here as long as our country is far superior to theirs. It will take an economic meltdown of epic proportions to get people from Central and South America to stop coming here illegally. By that point, we probably wouldn't want to live here either. I think the sooner we realize that we will always have an influx of people who came here outside of the law the sooner we can come up with a humane way of dealing with it. The truth, the best way, it's probably somewhere in the middle of all of these positions. Buried in the shades of gray. It usually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander_N_Chief Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Who forks the bill for these kids whom illegally came here Destino? The tax payer. Where does the tax money come from? My check. Is it a significant amount, right now, no. However, any money used, is in essence, money/food out of the mouths of my family. I'm not arguing we as a country have not worried over our own to date. What I'm arguing is money is clearly being used to support the illegal migrants, I'd much rather spend that money on our country's needy as opposed to opening up the wallet for another country's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Ironically, immigrant children have been doing this for over 200 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Ironically, immigrant children have been doing this for over 200 years. not at this rate and cost between $250 - 1,000 a day each is gonna need addressed at the least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 not at this rate and cost between $250 - 1,000 a day each is gonna need addressed at the least Where does that figure come from?Sounds like BS to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Where does that figure come from? Sounds like BS to me. the govt(HHS), but anything they say does have a high chance of being BS http://www.businessinsider.com/price-of-us-border-migration-problem-2014-7 http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2014/07/us_spending_252_a_day_per_chil.html add for those needing extra income and wanting to reduce govt costs “Those willing to a take in a child under the age of 16 can receive up to $854.00 tax free per month. For those taking in a child over 16, the total is $1,008.00 per month in reimbursement. If you have a 5 bedroom house and can take in as many as 6 children, you can receive reimbursement of up to $6,054.00 per month tax free.” Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1355664/foster-immigrant-children-ad-offers-6000-per-month-to-guardians/#haratDIrCZuaGxvG.99 those are Cali prices, feeding insuring and educating are of course provided extra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 the govt(HHS), but anything they say does have a high chance of being BS http://www.businessinsider.com/price-of-us-border-migration-problem-2014-7 http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2014/07/us_spending_252_a_day_per_chil.html Geez. Something tells me most of that money isn't going to food, housing, and medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 Pointing out that twa starts off by quoting $1000 a day, because that's the price of keeping them locked up, and then segues to $1000 a month, in California (I wonder if California pays more than other places), if they're in foster care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Frankly I'd rather the Feds spend the money on kids than the trillions we piss away killing people without cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Pointing out that twa starts off by quoting $1000 a day, because that's the price of keeping them locked up, and then segues to $1000 a month, in California (I wonder if California pays more than other places), if they're in foster care. pointing out it was 250-1,000, but don't let the truth get in the way the 1,000 is for special needs and can easily be higher if ya are curious about foster care rates http://www.childrensrights.org/policy-projects/foster-care/hitting-the-marc-foster-care-reimbursement-rates/foster-care-rates-by-state/ Frankly I'd rather the Feds spend the money on kids than the trillions we piss away killing people without cause. so would I, but we seem to think killing them is better.....but I was asked not to go there.(abortion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 No, we had churches and groups of people who actually cared that showed up to take them in. Too bad that the church folks today are more focused on sending them back. To paraphrase, "Love the immigrant in your land, for once you were immigrants in Egypt." If only we really were a Christian nation. Oh well, I guess it is just better to live with the illusion of being a Christian nation because we have "One nation under God" in our pledge. Yeah that's what we need, more religion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Yeah that's what we need, more religion....You say that with cynicism, but the reality is that none of us here have ever even seen a real Christian nation.When faced with someone else's kids we hear, "our's first." When faced with our's we hear, "they're not mine." When someone actually proposes that we as a people do something to help we hear, "Socialism!" All convenient excuses that allow us to do nothing and rest in our self justification of ignoring the least of these. BTW, a 15 year old broke the law to be here...good for him!!! That 15 year old escaped a burning building and you're pissed because he broke a window to save his life. Yet another convenient excuse to ignore their plight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Agree about America not being a Christian nation. We aren't a country that blesses the poor, loves our enemies, and gives to anyone who asks. Far from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Yeah that's what we need, more religion.... You are welcome to organize in secular, atheist if you prefer, groups and get involved with helping the needy. There are many such groups in existence and there are enough people in need of it that this need not turn into a religious battle. These kids at the border are victims and no matter what your beliefs, the important thing is that they are treated with dignity and compassion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Agree about America not being a Christian nation. We aren't a country that blesses the poor, loves our enemies, and gives to anyone who asks. Far from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Well, supposedly, a lot of them are (being sent to homes).good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Anyone find it Ironic that during a Hannity segment on this they go to a video package with a "save our nation" theme containing the statue of liberty in the background, as he espouses getting rid of the children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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