MustangSteve Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 For those who missed the game it was beautiful. The Saints offense broke the NFL record of 39 1st downs by hitting 40. Scored 49 points and looked unbeatable period. We all know they are not unbeatable and they sure are not among the NFL elite defenses, but they played great defense. Did you see it Jim? A below average defense played a very good game, and the Saints offense stayed on the field rolling up the points. Plain and simple they played a damn good game, and because of it their offense rolled all night long breaking records and destroying Dallas. If their defense doesn't play good, their offense never breaks any record. They had some pretty drives but none stood out from some of the drives our offense has been showing. I had Steeler and Ravens fans texting me Thursday Night about how beautiful and sexy some of our offensive drives were, and they were some beautiful drives. Those drives would have continued if we could have played a good game on defense and do what average defenses do, stop a damn drive! A bad defense just like the Saints, but we can't seem to play 1 good game, just 1. We can't even play an average game on defense, it's not just bad, it's historically bad. If we played a good defensive game like the Saints did, our offense would bust 50 points a game, maybe 60. Don't kid yourselves thinking they cant, they hit 30 and 40 points a game in shootouts, even with our terrible defense that never gets off the field! Imagine if our defense pulled 3 and outs when we have a lead, even a double digit lead, it's a blow out! If you Haslett would just change or tweek something to play just average defense, this team will win the East again for real! Give us good defense and we will make some noise in the Playoffs and have a legit shot at a Lombardi. We have better players on the field than the damn Saints defense! Our defensive players are way better than theirs! But somehow we are historically bad, the worst to ever step on the field! Your 3-4 is not working Jim! How long will it take for you to see it can't work? Do something new, try a 4-3, try a 4-6, just change your scheme and get after the damn QB! That is how you stop a drive period. Good defenses pressure the QB! It can only get better Jim. 2 pass rush specialist doing what made them pass rush specialist Jim, it's really not rocket science! They did not become pass rush specialist by chasing WR's down the field, ding ding ding. Do you wonder why you can't get pressure on a QB? They rush a play and chase receivers a play. Offenses see this and are taking them out of their strength every week, Change it please! This defense was a top 10 for many years before you changed it! Back in the 80's you would have been hung on the White House steps for blowing up a top 10 defense in Washington. Change something please, it might even save your job! But one thing is a fact, what you have going on now is not just bad, it's historically bad, it's embarrassing bad, and it is not working! It's not going to Jim, how many years have you been trying to ride that dead horse? It's dead Jim and all the get well soon cards in the world is not going to fix it. Bury it and get a new one please! This team is not out of the race for the division title unless you make them. The rest of this season rides on you now Jim Haslett. The choices you make right now will decide if the Washington Redskins are a division champion, or the last place losers that all us Redskins fans are sick of seeing! A life long Redskins fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I agree 100%. Only problem is Jim can't be the guy. Guys look confused as it is...can you imagine if he tried to teach these guys a 4-3 in a week? But i guess it cant get much worse than it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyron Biggums Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 +1 For real something has to give. What is being called now is just comical. Please Jim try anything. What do you have to lose? Your job? You already lost that. Might as well unleash the beast and let the defense eat the QB. HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Look at Jim Haslett's body of work since he has been here. There is no way he is keeping his job. The real question is, will he last the year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 Look at Jim Haslett's body of work since he has been here. There is no way he is keeping his job. The real question is, will he last the year? A change right now leading to a Super Bowl would be the only thing to save his job. A Lombardi Trophy makes all the bad that season go away. But no change keeps us in last place, so why wait till we're out of the playoffs to change this wreck we have going on now. Common since, if its broken, fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 I agree 100%. Only problem is Jim can't be the guy. Guys look confused as it is...can you imagine if he tried to teach these guys a 4-3 in a week? But i guess it cant get much worse than it is. Most of these guys were beast in a 4-3 defense, seriously could it be worse than what we field now? OMG this is painful to watch every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 How about teaching our 3-4 to tackle? There are too many rooks and newbs to just up and change the scheme with 7 games left IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayAction Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Meh. Nothing new that hasn't been discussed already in the Haslett thread. Keep in mind that Shanahan wanted the 3-4 front so that's on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I was led to believe for years that the most important position to fill proper for a 3-4, is a stout nose. Is that truth, or not? Yes, a rare undersized nose can dominate, but it is rare. Barry may well be our best player in our front 7, but he appears of out position to my amateur eyes. Our DE's certainly do not help much. But its not really up to the front 3 to make plays, they more allow the LBs to make plays. I see none of that going on in our 3-4. I dont see our ILBs doing jack ****. I predict Haslet will be back next year. He has a long leash as you can see. I believe because Mike knows Jim was right in saying the 3-4 was not for us, and Mike owes him a big. And because, Mike clearly does not like changes, and doesn't want to set a precedent of firing coordinators since he cannot fire Kyle. I am not sure any DC could make our 34 dominate, with our current personnel. They just hang on and try to force turnovers. We get no pressure without blitzing. Teams know Rak is the one coming, the beauty of the 34 largely negated. Or, we have Rak in coverage, likely a win for them. Is without a doubt, the 3-4 still the best thing for us, assuming Barry is our nose next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins island connection Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Good read ! I may be mistaken, but I thought it was Mike wanting the 3-4 ? Yes, Haslett isn't on my Christmas card list, and I thought it was a boneheaded move by hiring him. So now it becomes a question of Mike's ego and willingness to release his firm belief of the 3-4 and go back to the 4-3. The issue of not having the proper personnel, training, depth, etc of changing a defense, and then you look around the league at other teams which switch one way or another, and they look like geniuses in the process. So that points to one thing; coaching. His track record proves his inabilities to build/sustain an upper ranked defense, whether it is 3-4 or 4-3, so the writing is on the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrepDC Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I'm curious to see our bookend starting OLB's in 4-3 DE spots. Then maybe Rob Jackson as a starting OLB, Perry Riley MLB, and someone else at the other OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddub52 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I was actually ok with the way the defense played against the Chargers, and through 3 quarters of the Broncos game. Sure, they could have been better, but I thought that they were finally starting to put it together. Then last week came and we stopped sending blitzes and pressure. Got carved up by Ponder smh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyfan Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I was thinking the same thing - We were a pretty good defense when we use the 4-3. London could play the middle, Kerrigan strong side and Riley weak side. Sakapo had in the ground rushing from the end in passing situations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 Meh. Nothing new that hasn't been discussed already in the Haslett thread. Keep in mind that Shanahan wanted the 3-4 front so that's on him. So give up on a division title? No thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn12 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 If one thing is obvious, it's that something needs to change. We get no pressure on the QB and our linebackers are horrible in coverage. And above all, London is dying out there this year. I feel like hearing his name called is a rarity these days. Of course this is nothing new. I believe this dead horse gets beat incessantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Without pressure, no defense can do anything. Who's responsibility is it to take two first round picks, one second round pick, several free agents and forming a unit that can pressure the quarterback? Ask them why they can't do that. Ask them why suddenly Kerrigan is able to be blocked by King friggin' Dunlap one on one all day. Ask why they make clubfoot QBs look like ballet dancers. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Yes, it was mikes choice to run a 3-4. As far as the saints last night, they did play a great game vs Dallas. Interestingly, haslett has come up with some good games vs Dallas as well. And the d did play very well down the stretch last year. I'm not sure why we aren't better this year. We are healthier than last year. You'd think we'd be better. Outside of a half here and there, it's been a horrific year for the D. Can't disagree that something's gotta change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 Without pressure, no defense can do anything. Who's responsibility is it to take two first round picks, one second round pick, several free agents and forming a unit that can pressure the quarterback? Ask them why they can't do that. Ask them why suddenly Kerrigan is able to be blocked by King friggin' Dunlap one on one all day. Ask why they make clubfoot QBs look like ballet dancers. ~Bang This right here ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins island connection Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Mike could compromise. First and foremost, change at the DC spot is mandatory; there's nothing Haslett can do that would change the minds of most fans and probably many players as well. So, 2 things; 1. find a new DC, maybe an assistant somewhere, maybe college, but the current person is damaged goods. 2. This is where Mike can be a genius, if done correctly. Switch to a 3-3-5, which can be tweeked a number of ways to counter offenses. It can be modified in-game to a 3-4, 4-3, most any defense design available. Yes, it will require getting a few new players, but we do have the majority of puzzle pieces already, just a few others to complete the picture. This does require a coach who can think/react quickly in-game; there are guys out there who know how to motivate players, who can get players into beliving they can do anything. Haslett is not this type of coach. The biggest part of being a DC is countering the biggets threats on offense, forcing offenses to alter their gameplan, and having the proper personnel onfield to be able to recognize and react when they happen. Haslett waits until a scheme has consistantly been effective for an entire half before making adjustments, if any; meanwhile, offenses have made their adjustments for the second half, which puts the defense one step behind in many cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Great bowls of chowder! Why on earth is the 34 defense still being talked about as an issue? Its not a 9wide. Its not a 46. Its not a defense that has been figured out. Its the premier defense in the league! Personal and coaching is the issue. What could possibly improve by changing our defense to one unfamiliar to our coach, that we don't have the correct players for? What? This makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 The title of the thread is askew, it should be Defense, change our Jim Haslett! When you are playing corners off against a horrible passing team and you can't send any kind of exotic pressures on big downs, it is not the players. They played too damn close to the vest and got burnt, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 Personal and coaching is the issue. What could possibly improve by changing our defense to one unfamiliar to our coach, that we don't have the correct players for? What? This makes no sense. This thread is the perfect example of insanity! Trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. What could possibly improve by changing a plan that fails historically bad? There is only one answer for that type of question, DUH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 One thing I have come to terms with is Haslett is not going anywhere during the season. Walk into Philly with this same defense and we are all flipping tables over after Nick Foles shreds us and knocks us out of all playoff hope. Green Bay: 149.3 rating, 228 yards, 3 TD's, 66.7 comp% Raiders: 158.3 Rating, 406 yards, 7 TD's, 78.6 comp% Yes we are next without some type of change! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 This thread is the perfect example of insanity! Trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. What could possibly improve by changing a plan that fails historically bad? There is only one answer for that type of question, DUH!Does the 34 defense work for other teams?Is Jim Haz a 34 coach? Have we been getting players for a 34 the last few seasons? Would drastically running a different scheme in the middle of the season, that nobody has been practicing be smart? change for the sake of change, is just change. is london to old? Do we have a starting FS? Is our front 3 any good? Is haz capable of making adjustments during a game? The problem is a lot of things and not a single one of them is the 34. This should have just been a post in the fire Haz thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Too far down the rabbit hole at this point to go 4-3. London and Barnett are probably the only 4-3 capable LB's on this roster at the moment. He can tinker with different calls/formations, but as far as changing the defense though, that is something that cannot be done on the fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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