Riggo-toni Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I'd put him at number two behind Mike Mayock. That guy is great. Yeah, I'll take Mayock's draft analysis over Kiper (or anyone else) anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleese Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Im not basing my opinion off of this interview as Ive been of this opinion for a long time. I really enjoy listening to Trent Dilfer talk x's and o's. Guy is about as smart and thorough as they come; doesnt just spout garbage that he hears from his colleagues.Nice listen, thanks for posting. ---------- Post added December-7th-2012 at 01:10 PM ---------- Jaws is a ****tard. ---------- Post added December-7th-2012 at 01:13 PM ---------- I dont know who 'we' includes, but an NFL QB and an NFL Analyst are two completely different things. ---------- Post added December-7th-2012 at 01:15 PM ---------- Agree to disagree. The guy is unlistenable, skins fan or not. Jaws is a dork.... Not the greatest on camera presence, but I always thought he broke the game down very well. He was good on the old Monday Night Match Up show. Cowherd is fantastic at what he does... He might be unlistenable to you, but there is a reason he is the top host at ESPN with a prime slot. He is well informed and always has specific talking points. And his picks this year are unreal. 12 straight winning weeks against the spread indicates some good luck for sure, but also lots of research and time. When I listen to him he doesn't seem like the kind of dude is want to hang out with, but he makes for good radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 But even he's talking about it as a bridge offense. He talks about needing to develop a 3rd down offense and develop into a pocket passer that can make progression reads and RGIII hasn't done that (though he does think it will happen, which is great IMO). And I'd disagree with the idea with the fact that he's big is going to prevent not just injuries, but the wear and tear on him. Things like the concussion Vick has this year have nothing to do with size and Rothlisberger, who is even bigger, has had multiple issues with injuries through the years in terms of missing games, but also injuries where he's played, but not really been effective (a guy that doesn't really run much, but because of his OL and the way he plays takes lots of hits). The other things, it isn't just the rushes. It is also the hits he takes on the fakes. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/washington-redskins-robert-griffin-iii-will-stop-selling-fake-to-avoid-big-hits-092612 They've already talked about him stop selling the fakes to avoid hits: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/washington-redskins-robert-griffin-iii-will-stop-selling-fake-to-avoid-big-hits-092612 Now, that's from Sept., but I'm pretty sure I've seen him take hits on the fake more recently. I'll pay more attention next week. Maybe I'm wrong, and am biased from things that happened earlier in the season. And just to say it in another thread, I'm not saying don't run at all. I'm not saying don't do things, like move the pocket, that allow him to use his legs. I'm saying do less of it and do it in a smarter manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uno Mas Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Jaws is a dork.... Not the greatest on camera presence, but I always thought he broke the game down very well. He was good on the old Monday Night Match Up show. Cowherd is fantastic at what he does... He might be unlistenable to you, but there is a reason he is the top host at ESPN with a prime slot. He is well informed and always has specific talking points. And his picks this year are unreal. 12 straight winning weeks against the spread indicates some good luck for sure, but also lots of research and time. When I listen to him he doesn't seem like the kind of dude is want to hang out with, but he makes for good radio. Agreed on Jaws, major dork and yes, Ill admit he does a good job breaking down film. He's just super annoying to me. I do more reading than posting on here and I respect you as a poster, so Ill take you word when it comes to Cowherd. Its literally been years since Ive listened to him. I just found myself disagreeing with him more often than not. But the reason I quit listening to him is as far as he is concerned, his word is gospel and if anyone (his callers) had a different opinion, he would condescendingly mock them. I cant respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I see that this is something that commentators and analysts have been saying lately. For a week or so, it bothered me and I felt agitated by the disrespect. But then it dawned on me...I don't care. And I don't mean that in the way that one would think. It's not just that I don't care about Jaworski's (or anyone's) opinion, it's that I don't care if they are correct. Amen. Analysts often nitpick and break down successful players and teams. Some do it to be contrarian, so as not to be seen saying the same thing as everybody else. Some legitimately feel a player or team is overhyped, and want to be a counterbalance. Some have different reasons altogether. The key element in all of this, though, is success, and it's been so long that the Redskins, individually or collectively, have had enough success to merit this kind of attention, I can't even remember what it was like. Bring on the "haters". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleese Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Agreed on Jaws, major dork and yes, Ill admit he does a good job breaking down film. He's just super annoying to me.I do more reading than posting on here and I respect you as a poster, so Ill take you word when it comes to Cowherd. Its literally been years since Ive listened to him. I just found myself disagreeing with him more often than not. But the reason I quit listening to him is as far as he is concerned, his word is gospel and if anyone (his callers) had a different opinion, he would condescendingly mock them. I cant respect that. Agreed on Jaws, major dork and yes, Ill admit he does a good job breaking down film. He's just super annoying to me.I do more reading than posting on here and I respect you as a poster, so Ill take you word when it comes to Cowherd. Its literally been years since Ive listened to him. I just found myself disagreeing with him more often than not. But the reason I quit listening to him is as far as he is concerned, his word is gospel and if anyone (his callers) had a different opinion, he would condescendingly mock them. I cant respect that. He is completely condescending... It's part of his schtick. But one thing I find interesting about him is that he is very honest while being condescending. For example, when analyzing why there is so much fan violence at NFL games as opposed to college games, he contends that there are more people with college degrees at college games (likely true) and the more educated you are, the less likely you are to engage in violence. He says "career guys" go to college games while "job guys go to NFL games. It's not something most hosts would say and it certainly be viewed by some as offensive or condescending, but it is also probably a pretty legit theory, and I like that he has the guts to say stuff like that, even when I don't agree with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uno Mas Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 He is completely condescending... It's part of his schtick.But one thing I find interesting about him is that he is very honest while being condescending. For example, when analyzing why there is so much fan violence at NFL games as opposed to college games, he contends that there are more people with college degrees at college games (likely true) and the more educated you are, the less likely you are to engage in violence. He says "career guys" go to college games while "job guys go to NFL games. It's not something most hosts would say and it certainly be viewed by some as offensive or condescending, but it is also probably a pretty legit theory, and I like that he has the guts to say stuff like that, even when I don't agree with him. haha, I would completely agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradboyd80 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I think Dilfer hit the nail on the head......You can easily stop the zone read alone. But stopping the zone read combined with our smash-mouth running game and RG3's arm, will be impossible. We have an absolutely beautiful future ahead of us. This offense is going to be a blast to watch for the next 10 years. If we get half a defense, the rest of the NFL better watch out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Very good analysis. I feel like the offense will expand with time... adding new wrinkles and mastering new formations and plays... it's going to be exciting to watch, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Listened to this 3 times already, I keep noticing Trent say something I missed a previous time. I especially like the fact that he actually took some time to learn about the pistol, talking with people who know about it. Most analysts haven't done that, which is why they keep calling it a gimmick, while Dilfer actually took the time to understand it. He's right, that we will need to improve on pass-only downs, but I do think that's as much the WR corp and line as it is RGIII. If we get ourselves a RT, and either the your WRs continue growing or we add a guy, I think we'll be dangerous. And Fred back should improve that too (assuming we re-sign him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavarleap56 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I'm working on a post for HTTR but I figured I would put these up. Nothing has really changed with the run game except we run a few zone read,option,or veer plays to break the defense. 2011- Redskins Stretch under center 2012- Redskins Stretch from Pistol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOtoDC Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Nice post by the OP. ^^^Nice gifs above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Going Commando Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Dilfer has positioned himself to be arguably the top technical analyst out there. He is always prepared, has a pretty engaging personality, and isn't afraid to drop criticism when necessary. He has surpassed Jaws as the go to "film breakdown" guy at ESPN. Yeah Jaws is a bit of a buffoon. He isn't nearly the buff he's been passed off as for so long. He's not very imaginative and his analysis is just nowhere near as good as a lot of other guys, Dilfer being one. Steve Young, Mike Mayock, Chris Collinsworth, John Gruden, etc. Collinsworth is my favorite for explaining tape to laymen. Gruden has the sharpest eye and is the best at keeping perspective. I like Dilfer because of his enthusiasm and the good work he puts into analyzing QBs. He's understands the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rpredskins Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Jaws Big Board holy crap what a joke!!! Schaub #6?? LOL! Philip Rivers 13?? If Colin Kaepernick wasn't on there I would swear that chart was made in August, that's how little it compares to reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 this:thumbsup: I think a lot of fans are going to have football epiphanies like this now that they actually get to watch transcendent QB play and a potent offense at work. Every QB runs an offensive system, no offensive system is any more "legit" than any other one. All that matters is effectiveness. The game transforms constantly as new ideas are implemented and effective responses to them are discovered. The most successful teams are often the ones who are the forefront of an evolution and dictate the match ups to reactionary opponents. Mike Shanahan has always been an offensive mastermind. I think he's hit upon a dynamic melding his zone read WC offense with a pistol running game that's put him at the forefront of a powerful sea change should other teams get athletic QBs and decide to copy us. There are only two things fundamental or "pure" about football: blocking and tackling. Everything about the game derives from them. A team is effective when it figures out how to advance the ball avoiding tackles on offense and keep the ball from advancing forward by tackling on defense. Start there and figure out how to achieve both ends with a system of packages and plays that you can execute effectively with the personnel you've got. First you install a reliable blocking scheme to keep ball carriers from getting tackled too quick. Don't have a bunch of the expensive kind of linemen that have power + size + speed? Try to win with quickness and synergy. Hence the ZBS and the outside zone running game as the foundation, the first packages and plays you install. Then you balance them with inside runs and misdirection runs and all of the other handoffs that have been around for decades while keeping the core blocking philosophy. Running the ball effectively is a numbers game, putting a hat on every hat--that's involved in the play. Blocking favors the offense because it's a lot harder to disengage a block than engage it in the short time it takes a ball carrier to reach his gaps at the LoS. You can win this numbers game by effectively allocating the blockers you've got and also by taking defenders out of the play without blocking them--misdirection. So blocking is emphasized for everyone in the scheme. Even the "ends" of your formations can block creating big outside creases that lead to chunk gains. The run game becomes a dangerously diverse and effective weapon all on its own, before the pass even really comes into play. When you can consistently run for medium yardage on first and second down and get good leverage situations on third down, no defense can stop you. This has always been the case in football. So since stopping the run is the most basic task of every D, if you start killing them with the run, they will adjust or die and when they overflow on plays to stop the run, they become vulnerable to misdirection passes. Now the offense is a total weapon. Pretty much every single one of our passes incorporates some sort of misdirection and they have to be honored because we threaten the ability to advance the ball in any way on almost every play. When you draft a transcendentally gifted QB that can: - handle all of your running responsibilities, both inside and outside. In fact, he's so dangerous on outside runs that he regularly breaks off huge chunk gains against an overflowing defense - has the best ball fakes I've ever seen - is a genius at improvising--running or passing off script - has an amazing ability to stick downfield throws Why on Earth wouldn't you boil the script down to a variety of option plays and let your genius playmaking QB just go out and read and react to the defense at the line and mid play--with every option on the table? He's the ultimate offensive weapon. Let him go out there and advance the ball. Anyway, calling our offense an unsustainable gimmick is meaningless. It's innovative, it's extremely hard to defend, defenses will eventually adjust to it in the same way defenses eventually adjust to every type of effective offense over the years. I'm betting our offense will continuously adjust because every great offense run by an offensive mastermind does. How many innovative offenses have we seen New England run over the years? Jaws is a moron because he seems to have lost his understanding of the point of running an offense and playing QB. The point is not to sit back in a static pocket, have your receivers run little timed patterns all over the field, you throw it to them on script, they catch it, ball advanced, repeat 30-40 times a game. The point is not to be the best looking guy at doing this. The point is to ****ing advance the ball and score points by blocking defenders and confusing them to keep them from tackling you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaticSkinsFan Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Jaws is a moron because he seems to have lost his understanding of the point of running an offense and playing QB. The point is not to sit back in a static pocket, have your receivers run little timed patterns all over the field, you throw it to them on script, they catch it, ball advanced, repeat 30-40 times a game. The point is not to be the best looking guy at doing this. The point is to ****ing advance the ball and score points by blocking defenders and confusing them to keep them from tackling you. yeah, Jaworski's biggest thing is that he doesnt like atypical quarterbacks. He never has and has always rated the harshly. He cant wrap his head around a QB doing different things, in his mind its that a QB should drop back and do that only. I wouldnt call him a moron, just slow to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I'm working on a post for HTTR but I figured I would put these up. Nothing has really changed with the run game except we run a few zone read,option,or veer plays to break the defense. 2011- Redskins Stretch under center 2012- Redskins Stretch from Pistol The offense right now is definitely a variation of what they were running last year, but the big exception is under center. RG3 is the reason why team is so dangerous offensively and so hard to defend. What he brings is something so dynamic which hasn't been seen in decades here or the NFL. I'm so glad we're blessed to have him here and watch this unbelievable QB play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 According to Ron Jaworski, there are "a LOT" of quarterbacks playing better than Robert Griffin right now. Jaws also once said Jason Campbell should've been an MVP candidate after watching him be a caretaker for an offense for half a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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