Predicto Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Psssttttt, I was referring to these clearly advocating the abolishment of private gun ownership. Who did that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky21 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 The police AND the deceased were at fault. If he thought it was a safe thing to do to open a door at 1.30am in a bad neighborhood because he was holding a gun, then that delusion contributed to his death. I imagine the jury in the wrongful death lawsuit will disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 There is no reasonable discussion, because as I said, and you've proven, the moment anyone says "what can be done".. the jump is immediately to assume that it will inevitably be a full scale ban.Lots of gun violence in this country, innocent people get killed every single day just by being in the wrong place.. like those folks the other night in the bar that got sprayed by the guy with the military rifle. (amazing no one died. even more amazing is the cops think he targeted one person,, and the best way to do that would be to shoot everyone in front of him. SOMETHING should be done to try and reduce this threat to our population. There is no reasonable answer because no one tries to have a reasonable discussion. If a crib collapses and 2 or 3 toddlers get killed, that crib is immediately recalled, and it's not sold anymore. Kids find guns and accidentally kill themselves. and the discussion of trigger locks simply to protect them from accidents is as cutthroat as it gets. We're CRAZY when it comes to guns. ~Bang Never will be a reasonable discussion as long as gun defenders hold the Constitution tight to their breast. I can find other ways of protecting my home and my family without a gun, but that's a chance I'm willing to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I imagine the jury in the wrongful death lawsuit will disagree. I'd imagine they won't. Solved that, didn't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 the ONLY person who has used the words BAN GUNS is you.I never said BAN GUNS. I said there needs to be a discussion on what can actually be DONE to control the violence. You pointed out gun bans being ineffective in the district and other cities.. of course they're ineffective.. they're totally USELESS if the crooks can go 30 minutes into virginia and buy shopping bags full of them and drive them right back home. There is no reasonable discussion, because as I said, and you've proven, the moment anyone says "what can be done".. the jump is immediately to assume that it will inevitably be a full scale ban. Lots of gun violence in this country, innocent people get killed every single day just by being in the wrong place.. like those folks the other night in the bar that got sprayed by the guy with the military rifle. (amazing no one died. even more amazing is the cops think he targeted one person,, and the best way to do that would be to shoot everyone in front of him. SOMETHING should be done to try and reduce this threat to our population. There is no reasonable answer because no one tries to have a reasonable discussion. If a crib collapses and 2 or 3 toddlers get killed, that crib is immediately recalled, and it's not sold anymore. Kids find guns and accidentally kill themselves. and the discussion of trigger locks simply to protect them from accidents is as cutthroat as it gets. FTR, I support the 2nd amendment. But we're CRAZY when it comes to guns. ~Bang Exactly. As soon as the subject of gun violence comes up, in any context, people start frothing at the mouth and posting the most extreme editorials from NRA newsletters that they can find. There is no way to discuss anything with them unless you take the postion not only that gun ownership should be legal, but also that ownership of all types of guns should be legal. Even suggesting that you yourself don't want to have a gun in your house gets them riled up. It's bizarre. I've always wondered why so many people think Obama is just about to grab all their guns, when he hasn't done or said a single thing about the subject in 4 years. I suspect it is part of the same phenomenon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Never will be a reasonable discussion as long as gun defenders hold the Constitution tight to their breast. I can find other ways of protecting my home and my family without a gun, but that's a chance I'm willing to take. If you live in a very dangerous neighborhood, arming your self might be a risk worth taking. But one thing is clear, having a gun in the home hugely increases risk to the occupants. Multiple surveys show that only about 3% of fatal shootings inside homes were defensive in nature. Accidents, suicides and killing of a non-stranger represent the vast majority of deaths. ---------- Post added July-18th-2012 at 12:30 PM ---------- I imagine the jury in the wrongful death lawsuit will disagree. Even if a jury agrees that he was legally entitled to point a gun at police officers, there's no argument whether or not his action contributed significantly to his death. The police involved would shoot another person in the same circumstances and make no apology for this. Whether they are right is a different topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky21 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I'd imagine they won't.Solved that, didn't we? And just when I was impressed that you admitted that you were too aggressive in your defense of the cops.....Yeah if that guy has any living relatives, they will file a wrongful death lawsuit and they will be awarded a settlement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 And just when I was impressed that you admitted that you were too aggressive in your defense of the cops.....Yeah if that guy has any living relatives, they will file a wrongful death lawsuit and they will be awarded a settlement. Just observing that ALL of the speculation and fabrication has come from those on the opposite side of this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 . I've always wondered why so many people think Obama is just about to grab all their guns, when he hasn't done or said a single thing about the subject in 4 years. I suspect it is part of the same phenomenon. Because it's what they're told. What I find odd (Which is a nice way of saying "look how ****ed up THIS is..")) is the the head of the NRA harangues his CPAC audience to Make No Mistake, Obama wants to ban your guns... and the only thing he's done in regard to guns thati know of is to make them legal in national parks and on trains. The rights were expanded, and you'd think the NRA would recognize this, since the 2nd amendment and it' protection is one of their largest focuses... but no,, the head stands up at CPAC and lies right through his teeth. And the sheep eat it up. NONE of them want to seem to look at it objectively. It's Obama, and he's the evil Kenyan muslim socialist, so they all ignore things they ALL KNOW are facts. (There's no chance in hell that the typical NRA member who fears for the Libs taking his guns does NOT know that he can now carry in Yosemite, and on a train. Hell, I know it, and I'm not a gun guy.) It's like a mass hysteria of willful ignorance.. I really just don't get it. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I run in a pretty conservative circle, obviously, but 99.9996% of the time when I see the Kenyan Muslim socialist stuff it's from someone who is more left leaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I run in a pretty conservative circle, obviously, but 99.9996% of the time when I see the Kenyan Muslim socialist stuff it's from someone who is more left leaning. Well, by the same logic, I can say that the only talk of banning guns here has been from the right leaning guys. To be fair to Popeman, he hears the ban guns talk from lefty's, and reacted with it... as lefty's hear the Kenyan socialist stuff from the rightys.. and react with it. Did you follow my meaning above, or did that sidetrack it? ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Did you follow my meaning above, or did that sidetrack it?~Bang I did. And while I appreciate where you're coming from, I chalk it up to being very similar to the Obama campaign ad that says Romney will ban abortions, de-fund planned Parenthood, and essentially try to ensure that all women will be kept chained in their basements and fed only bread and water. The NRA certainly over-dramatizes the threat to gun ownership. Why? It motivates their members. I don't know that there is a special-interest group out there that doesn't exaggerate the "threat" to whatever it is they care about. So yeah, ultimately, I guess that was an admission of guilt, ****ized by the classic "everyone does it." I hope you know well enough not to expect better of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 BAN GUNS Yeah I just did that. I have learned the lessons of the alternative media well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuposse87 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I'm a staunch believe in an eye for an eye. I guess moments of incompetency just come with the job, unfortunately it leads to unnecessary death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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