Dirt Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 well.. I root for Washington, and I like Rexy! ---------- Post added October-13th-2011 at 11:04 PM ---------- So now, for the sake of competitive bumper stickers, we need to compare Beck to Sonny, gogogogo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Billy was a game manager, nothing more. George Allen emphasized defense and special teams. He asked his offense to play ball control and not lose the game for him with turnovers. Mike Shanahan has a completely different approach. He needs a QB who can run the boot and attack all over the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Never saw Kilmer play except for highlights. Question: if Kilmer were a young man today and the same type of QB he was, would he be universally accepted as our QB? Not in a million years lol...and it has nothing to do with Kilmer. It's actually not an unreasonable comparison, though I'd say Kilmer was much better at protecting the ball, and Grossman can throw it further.Kilmer had an unreal supporting cast. Kilmer's INT percentage: 4.9% Grossman's INT percentage: 3.6% ---------- Post added October-14th-2011 at 03:46 AM ---------- Seems appropriate for this thread lol... _z51jtsA3jc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky21 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Look at Kilmer sling that ball 40 yards down field. Dayuuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkskin Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Comparing QB stats from that era to now is just stupid. The game has changed. It used to be that 50% completion percentage was just fine. Go back and look at Joe Namath's numbers. That said, Rex actually throws a much better spiral than Kilmer. Thats where the comparison between the two ends at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Comparing QB stats from that era to now is just stupid. The game has changed. It used to be that 50% completion percentage was just fine. Go back and look at Joe Namath's numbers. That said, Rex actually throws a much better spiral than Kilmer. Thats where the comparison between the two ends at this point. Yep, a big difference was that screens and draws were used to keep the pass rush honest while short passes were used to keep the defensive backs honest or in desperation when you couldn't deal with the pass rush. Now, the deep threat is used to keep the DBs from taking away the all important short game while screens are used as much to get RBs out in space the way sweeps were used back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Kilmer knew how to run an offense that didn't make mistakes and turn the ball over. Grossman is still littering the field with too many fumbles and interceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Kilmer knew how to run an offense that didn't make mistakes and turn the ball over. Grossman is still littering the field with too many fumbles and interceptions. Kilmer's INT percentage: 4.9% Grossman's INT percentage: 3.6% I'm amazed at how many Skins fans continue to claim that Kilmer didn't turn the ball over but that Grossman does it all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Kilmer's INT percentage: 4.9%Grossman's INT percentage: 3.6% I'm amazed at how many Skins fans continue to claim that Kilmer didn't turn the ball over but that Grossman does it all the time. I am amazed that you still don't realize that those numbers are in Kilmer's favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF44 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Damn, I wanted the second coming of Sonny!!!! Minus the achilles problems of course. I LIKE SONNY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I am amazed that you still don't realize that those numbers are in Kilmer's favor. In what possible way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 In what possible way? Billy Kilmer played all but one year of his career BEFORE 1978 when the NFL chose to turn QBs into Point Guards. Much of this was a time when beating up offensive linemen was pretty much legal, offensive holding was still illegal and this was how you covered (see especially, about 22 seconds in). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffSTUKhIAqk Further, he played at a time before QBs were given tutus. They often had to continue passing even though they were seeing double, had their shoulders half torn off or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I am amazed that you still don't realize that those numbers are in Kilmer's favor. Because throwing an INT 1 out of every 20 passes is better than 1 our of every 25... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Because throwing an INT 1 out of every 20 passes is better than 1 our of every 25... So you must have not read this thread (I don't think your stupid but that is the only other possibility) if you still can make that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allannis Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Billy Kilmer called his own plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fischer fan Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 He has to demonstrate more toughness, moxie and he needs to be adored by his entire team(except his back-up QB)...oh and win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Kilmer was also a RB early in his career with SF and NO. Something Rex hasn't been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Damn, I wanted the second coming of Sonny!!!! Minus the achilles problems of course. I LIKE SONNY! I don't think we'll ever see another Sonny Jurgensen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Billy Kilmer played all but one year of his career BEFORE 1978 when the NFL chose to turn QBs into Point Guards. Much of this was a time when beating up offensive linemen was pretty much legal, offensive holding was still illegal and this was how you covered (see especially, about 22 seconds in).Further, he played at a time before QBs were given tutus. They often had to continue passing even though they were seeing double, had their shoulders half torn off or worse. You are on very shaky ground when you start to claim you know how many of Kilmer's INTs were due to the rules back then and how many INTs were due to his making a crappy throw or bad decision. Even in the video I provided on the 2nd page, they show Kilmer throwing a pick-6 that was due to nothing more than it being a poor throw on a bad decision. And even allowing for the different era, Kilmer's INT% still wasn't good...he regularly ranked in the bottom half or bottom 10 of QBs in terms of INT percentage. He had two years with the Skins were his INT % was better than normal...but that was also when he was paired with a league MVP running back, a HOF wide receiver and a HOF head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2cents Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Kilmer knew how to run an offense that didn't make mistakes and turn the ball over. Grossman is still littering the field with too many fumbles and interceptions. Except during Super Bowl 7 where all his INTs cost us the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Except during Super Bowl 7 where all his INTs cost us the game. Kilmer's SB stats: 14/28 50.0% completion rate 104 yds 3.7 yds per attempt 0 TDs 3 INTs Of course, these stats are really in his favor :yes:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Except during Super Bowl 7 where all his INTs cost us the game. Didn't he throw a ball directly toward the goal post in that game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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