PatFischer37 Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 There is enough of a similarity albeit some things that dont match but here it goes 1. Both were journeymen qbs with two different teams. Billy never won anything but Rex made it to the superbowl. neither were highly regarded at their previous spot 2. Both are/were never the protypical quarterback. Size, build, etc and neither one throws a pretty spiral 3.When they both came to the skins, neither was expected to start, but rather add depth to the position. Kilmer was promoted due to Sonny's injuries, Rex due to McNabb's poor play 4. League wide, neither gets any respect as a decent qb, but all they do is properly manage the game and win despite their average/sub par performance 5. Both were and are perfect for the Skins. We have never fared well with superstars like McNabb, but with journeymen, kinda Raider-esque, we manage to salvage their careers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky21 Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 You ****in' wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 You said never. How about Sammy Baugh, wasn't he a superstar? Even Joey T. was considered to be one of the best active QBs in 1982 and 1983. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatFischer37 Posted October 13, 2011 Author Share Posted October 13, 2011 yep on Sammy Baugh. No on Joe Theismann. He was never in the Montana, Bradshaw,Stauback category Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 LOL Rex Grossman goes to bed at night wishing he could be Billy Kilmer and not a turnover machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 You ****in' wish. Did you ever watch Kilmer play? lol ..."wounded duck" passes, low completion percentages, almost as many INTs as TDs... The Skins won with him, though...George Allen was a great coach, the Skins had really good supporting casts for him, and Kilmer always came across as a good field leader. And holy ****, did he have some early ****ty games lol...they were easily "Bad Rex"-types of games. 4/14, 54 yds, 13 QB rating 12/24, 4 INTs 6/17, 65 yds 4/15, 62 yds, 4.7 QB rating 7/17, 57 yds, 25.9 QB rating And that was in his 10th year in the league lol ... ---------- Post added October-13th-2011 at 09:44 AM ---------- LOLRex Grossman goes to bed at night wishing he could be Billy Kilmer and not a turnover machine Read my above post ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky21 Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Did you ever watch Kilmer play? lol ..."wounded duck" passes, low completion percentages, almost as many INTs as TDs...The Skins won with him, though...George Allen was a great coach, the Skins had really good supporting casts for him, and Kilmer always came across as a good field leader. And holy ****, did he have some early ****ty games lol...they were easily "Bad Rex"-types of games. 4/14, 54 yds, 13 QB rating 12/24, 4 INTs 6/17, 65 yds 4/15, 62 yds, 4.7 QB rating Uh yeah I saw Kilmer play. This just in. He didn't throw a pretty spiral. Jeff George did. Who was the better leader? Kilmer and Grossman were drafted in very similar positions, both were re-treads of sorts when they started with the Skins and they both play / played QB. Kilmer led the Redskins to a 11-3 season, lead the NFL in touchdown passes and was consistently in the top 10 in passer ratings and completion percentage while he was in Washington. Kilmer had 16 game winning drives. Grossman has 8. Grossman is something like 26th in QB rating and hasn’t quite lead the league in TD passes or lead the Skins to an 11 win season………. yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 At first I thought this was an ASF thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 yep on Sammy Baugh. No on Joe Theismann. He was never in the Montana, Bradshaw,Stauback category Didn't say Joe T. was, just that from 1982 to 1983 he was considered among the best ACTIVE QBs at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Uh yeah I saw Kilmer play. This just in. He didn't throw a pretty spiral. Jeff George did. Who was the better leader? Um, THIS just in...I already said Kilmer was a good field leader. Kilmer and Grossman were drafted in very similar positions, both were re-treads of sorts when they started with the Skins and they both play / played QB. Kilmer led the Redskins to a 11-3 season, lead the NFL in touchdown passes and was consistently in the top 10 in passer ratings and completion percentage while he was in Washington. Kilmer had 16 game winning drives. Grossman has 8. Grossman is something like 26th in QB rating and hasn’t quite lead the league in TD passes or lead the Skins to an 11 win season………. yet. You mean 1972? Rex had a season like that, too, with the Bears: 1972 Skins - #4 defense 2006 Bears - #5 defense 1972 Skins - #3 scoring defense 2006 Bears - #3 scoring defense 1972 Skins - #10 rushing offense 2006 Bears - #15 rushing offense (Skins had the league MVP as their running back, though) 1972 Skins - #3 passing TDs 2006 Bears - #8 passing TDs Games with QB rating under 40: 1972 Kilmer - 2 out of 11 (18%) 2006 Grossman - 4 out of 16 (25%) Games with QB rating over 90: 1972 Kilmer - 6 out of 11 (55%) 2006 Grossman - 8 out of 16 (50%) Both the 1972 Skins and the 2006 Bears went to--and lost--the Super Bowl. So, yeah, there is far more parallels between the two QBs than a casual glance will lead you to believe...we've yet to see how Grossman will ultimately do under Shanahan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatFischer37 Posted October 14, 2011 Author Share Posted October 14, 2011 Kilmer did the 11-3 record in the second season. His first was 9-4-1 wild card finish in '71 taking over for sonny. George Allen had a f@@king great over the hill defense and Larry brown /Charley harraway running attack . We had Charley Taylor and Roy Jefferson as wr's and Jerry smith at te.I would say Kilmer had a much better supporting cast . Rex is much closer to Kilmer than some of you would like to believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyKilmer Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Kilmer was not drafted as a QB signed with San Francisco on December 30, 1960. During that rookie season, he saw action primarily at running back, rushing for 509 yards and ten touchdowns, with his top performance coming against the expansion Minnesota Vikings on October 15 when he rushed for four touchdowns. He saw very limited play for the next three seasons until the Saints took him in the expansion draft An auto accident forced him into a pocket passing roll and Manning being drafted allowed his trade to Washington. He never had Rex's skill set but he was a survivor as I believe Rex is. Rex does not have a HoF'er looking over his shoulder at practice everyday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Kilmer played his entire career pre-1978. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifthorkid88 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I can see some similarities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Redskins Fan Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 You ****in' wish. I so agree with this post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herb mul-key Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 both have Dunlop's disease...they belly dun lop over their belt... Rex can't carry Billy's jock yet imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truant Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Never saw Kilmer play except for highlights. Question: if Kilmer were a young man today and the same type of QB he was, would he be universally accepted as our QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddub52 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 yep on Sammy Baugh. No on Joe Theismann. He was never in the Montana, Bradshaw,Stauback category Bradshaw was awful. Joey T was a WAY better QB. He just didnt benefit from having one of the best defenses ever. Dont believe me? Look at his stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzerdie Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Rex... like Kilmer? Why because he's fat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Bradshaw was awful. Joey T was a WAY better QB. He just didnt benefit from having one of the best defenses ever. Dont believe me? Look at his stats Bradshaw was in no way awful and Pittsburgh was also known as an offensive powerhouse for a good part of the 70s (in fact, the 1979 team had the best offense in the NFL). Before 1978, a QB rating in the mid 70s or better was considered excellent and a completion rate as low as 45% was acceptable. You cannot use raw statistics to compare QB performance between a QB who played before 1978 with ones who played after. Before 1978, killing the QB was allowed so they often played with minor concussions (and still called the offense), offensive linemen could not hold (and part of that time DL were allowed to beat the hell out of offensive linemen), the slants/short crossing routes and the like could only be run by the strongest and toughest receivers and those routes could be taken away (unlike today, were the rules make sure those patterns will be open) so the only pass option was to go down field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chase M Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Billy Kilmer is the name of my brother in law O_o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Kilmer was with the Redskins for eight seasons. Does anyone think Rex will still be with the team in 2017? Next question................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 It's actually not an unreasonable comparison, though I'd say Kilmer was much better at protecting the ball, and Grossman can throw it further. Kilmer had an unreal supporting cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 It's actually not an unreasonable comparison, though I'd say Kilmer was much better at protecting the ball, and Grossman can throw it further.Kilmer had an unreal supporting cast. I'd suspect that Kilmer could throw further. Back then, being able to throw far was the top physical requirement for playing QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HogNose Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 There is enough of a similarity albeit some things that dont match but here it goes1. Both were journeymen qbs with two different teams. Billy never won anything but Rex made it to the superbowl. neither were highly regarded at their previous spot 2. Both are/were never the protypical quarterback. Size, build, etc and neither one throws a pretty spiral Kilmer had Larry Brown Grossman has Ryan Torain. Torain is very similiar to Brown, and Torain, like Brown runs like a bull through a china shop. . :yikes: Hmmm...You might be on to something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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