Report: Redskins front-runners for V. Young

[santanathegreat]

If it makes any of you guys feel better, UnWise Mike basically shutdown Vince Young to Redskins on his show today. He said he heard it directly from someone working in the FO.

[skinzwiz]

If the redskins bring in Vince Young...PLEASE have a plan for him. They clearly did not have a plan for McNabb.

[lookin4ahomeTexan]

Whether on not Fisher wanted Young on draft day (this has never been publicly confirmed by Fisher), he took many steps to make the Young tenure work out.

In 2007, he listened to VY's desire to fire Norm Chow and hired an OC that Young apporved and was excited to work with. He made coaching hire for the sole purpose of assisting and satisfying VY.

If Fisher was really out to get Young, why did he repeatedly defend him in the post game press conference following the first game of the 2008, where multiple teammate's indicated that Vince quit on the team, but Fisher stuck up for him and insisted five straight times that Vince never attempt to quit.

First off, that's a rumor like everything else. You say it like its fact that Young went to Fisher and ask for a new OC. That's not what happen. When ask about the rumor Young replied he didn't even know about it at first.

You think Young is the first player in the history of the NFL that a FO has disagreed on? Hell, the Titan's were heavily divided THIS year on which QB to pick, so how on earth is Jake Locker going to succeed. Surely he is doomed for failure because not everyone was behind him 100% and coddling him as every draft pick should be! Please. Fisher may not have wanted VY initially, but had Vince been a mature leader, he would have supported him far more than he did considering Young's long list of issues - every benching Young got, he earned.

What are you talking about? They all wanted Locker. Munchak wants locker. He is the coach, why would this be the same as when Young was picked? They wanted him that's why they took him at 8.

[KDawg]

I mean sometimes they don't even give him credit for winning it that year. They believe he won because UT fans voted for him.

Maurice Jones Drew (2006): 166 carries, 941 yards, 13 TD, 5.7 YPC, 46 receptions, 436 yards, 2 TD, 1 FUM, 1 LOST

Devin Hester (2006): 3 PR TD, 2 KOR TD

Vince Young (2006): 51.5% Comp. Rate, 2199 Yards, 6.2 YPA, 12 TD, 13 INT, 66.7 Rating, 82 carries, 552 yards, 7 TD, 12 FUM, 8 LOST

Hester probably doesn't deserve it due to ONLY being a return man. But MJD? Much better line than Young. And overall, that class had a pretty weak 2006 season.

And ultimately the point is why does Vince get pulled after 3 quarters of bad play and it takes Collins 6 whole games of bad play to get pulled?

Who cares? Collins has nothing to do with the overall point.

[The Tris]

First off, that's a rumor like everything else. You say it like its fact that Young went to Fisher and ask for a new OC. That's not what happen. When ask about the rumor Young replied he didn't even know about it at first.

What are you talking about? They all wanted Locker. Munchak wants locker. He is the coach, why would this be the same as when Young was picked? They wanted him that's why they took him at 8.

We are all talking about rumors here.

It was reported by "league sources" that Jeff Fisher didn't want Vince Young, it was reported by "league sources" Vince Young wanted Chow replaced, and it was reported by "league sources" that the Titans offensive coaches were split on Andy Dalton and Jake Locker.

So let's not pick and chose which reports you believe and which you don't based on what fits your agenda and what doesn't.

[Yeen80]

I honestly dont think we'll bring him in. Just a gut feeling. This has all been speculation

[lookin4ahomeTexan]

Jones drew wasn't even the featured back. Fred Taylor was the starter and ran for more than 1100 yds that year.

Vince Young (2006): 51.5% Comp. Rate, 2199 Yards, 6.2 YPA, 12 TD, 13 INT, 66.7 Rating, 82 carries, 552 yards, 7 TD, 12 FUM, 8 LOST

With players that I say once again NO LONGER IN THE LEAGUE.

Young is obviously not a running back and he ran for more than half of what Jones-drew did.

Dude you obviously don't want to give him credit if your comparing they're impact.

This is not even comparable while not even mentioning the 2 or 3 games Young won in the 4th quarter.

[addicted]

If it makes any of you guys feel better, UnWise Mike basically shutdown Vince Young to Redskins on his show today. He said he heard it directly from someone working in the FO.

Best news I've heard all freaking day. Agree with the COC references.

Cult of Colt v. 2.0

It's worse.

This is uncharted territory...imagine Jason Campbell crowd meets Cult Brenan crowd combined.

Mega super power bust forum disruption!!

[lookin4ahomeTexan]

We are all talking about rumors here.

It was reported by "league sources" that Jeff Fisher didn't want Vince Young, it was reported by "league sources" Vince Young wanted Chow replaced, and it was reported by "league sources" that the Titans offensive coaches were split on Andy Dalton and Jake Locker.

So let's not pick and chose which reports you believe and which you don't based on what fits your agenda and what doesn't.

What rumor Jeff Fisher said he wanted Leinart.

---------- Post added May-16th-2011 at 11:05 AM ----------

We are all talking about rumors here.

It was reported by "league sources" that Jeff Fisher didn't want Vince Young, it was reported by "league sources" Vince Young wanted Chow replaced, and it was reported by "league sources" that the Titans offensive coaches were split on Andy Dalton and Jake Locker.

So let's not pick and chose which reports you believe and which you don't based on what fits your agenda and what doesn't.

I was speaking of head coaches which is why I only mentioned Munchak.

but your right its all rumors.

[Lavarleap56]

If it makes any of you guys feel better, UnWise Mike basically shutdown Vince Young to Redskins on his show today. He said he heard it directly from someone working in the FO.

Wise said he's not coming here but never said he heard it from anyone. Wises opinion is all it came across as.

[texasthunder]

Wise said he's not coming here but never said he heard it from anyone. Wises opinion is all it came across as.

Addicted said:

Best news I've heard all freaking day. Agree with the COC references.

[santanathegreat]

Wise said he's not coming here but never said he heard it from anyone. Wises opinion is all it came across as.

I'm pretty sure he said he heard it directly from someone working within the org.

[Lavarleap56]

I'm pretty sure he said he heard it directly from someone working within the org.

I am 100% sure he did not say he heard it from anyone. A caller brought up young while talking about Mcnabb. Wise only said he's not coming here and it was opinion based. Media is not going to have a true handle on free agency anyway due to the lockout so most of them are speculating to fill pages / Airwaves.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

If the redskins bring in Vince Young...PLEASE have a plan for him. They clearly did not have a plan for McNabb.

It would be nice huh? I honestly don't feel VY is remotely good enough to give us what we crave, but if he is here, so be it. He'll be our QB if he wins the job, and he'll get support until he proves otherwise.

But please, if he does wind up here, can someone pass the above quoted post onto the stubborn ass, boneheaded OC. To make the same mistake twice over at the start of his tenure would NOT be good.

Hail.

[Lavarleap56]

It would be nice huh? I honestly don't feel VY is remotely good enough to give us what we crave, but if he is here, so be it. He'll be our QB if he wins the job, and he'll get support until he proves otherwise.

But please, if he does wind up here, can someone pass the above quoted post onto the stubborn ass, boneheaded OC. To make the same mistake twice over at the start of his tenure would NOT be good.

Hail.

They simplified the offense to accomidate him to a point.mcnabb could have been better in alot of areas.

[Zhouse]

VY isn't the answer for us.

- He's going to end up frustrating half the fan base while the other half will scream "give him time! it's only his first year under Shanahan....he has no one to throw to"

- God knows what the coaches decide to do with him by week 8.

- With the current Oline, he's going to be hit A LOT! Might not even stay healthy to play in week 8.

And no, I don't want to give VY time. He's a 27 years old veteran that should step in and have immediate impact.

This will be a ridiculously bad idea. One that contradicts 2011's draft approach.

[Conn]

It's worse.

This is uncharted territory...imagine Jason Campbell crowd meets Cult Brenan crowd combined.

Mega super power bust forum disruption!!

I'm forced to assume that people don't REALLY remember the COC, if you think this is worse.

[Flycoach]

It was said in another thread, I'll repeat it...

If he couldn't stand the fan criticism in Tennessee, he's got no chance here.

You hit the nail on the head, for real. He'd wilt like a rose in the desert heat.

[terpskins10]

I'm forced to assume that people don't REALLY remember the COC, if you think this is worse.

It's something I've been trying to forget. lol

[Dr Drunkenstein]

This thread reminds me more and more of the CofC every day. It's always the staff holding the player back, not the player holding himself back.

In 2009, when Kerry Collins was starting, the Titans went 0-6. That is when the owner had to threaten Jeff Fisher with his job if he didn't start Vince.

That really happened. This isn't message board rumor. This isn't fantasy. This happened. The staff was working against VY. Even after Vince won 5 in a row and went 8-2 to get the Titans to .500 (and he made the Pro Bowl), Fisher was still saying publicly that he wished that he had started Collins.

This bizzarro football world was real. Vince had to live with it every minute of every day. And he exceeded all expectations and made the pro bowl and won a lot of games while his head coach was bending over backwards to screw him and the team and you guys act like it was a normal situation and that Vince had no reason for ever getting pissed off or despondent.

[leaf]

99 pages for an unsubstantiated rumor.

[Dr Drunkenstein]

It was said in another thread, I'll repeat it...

If he couldn't stand the fan criticism in Tennessee, he's got no chance here.

This proves that you live in a narrow little world.

Vince knows pressure. There are more University of Texas fans than there are Titans fans and Redskins fans COMBINED. The Longhorns completely own two top ten TV markets and two more top 50 TV markets. Longhorn games are simulcasted throughout Mexico in Spanish. Royal Memorial Stadium holds over 100,000 fans. There is more pressure involved with being the QB for the Longhorns than there is for being either the Titans or the Redskins QB. That is a fact. And Vince handled it brilliantly as a kid. He'll do just fine in DC.

[terrifNick21]

99 pages for an unsubstantiated rumor.

Because this is adding sooo much more to it! :thumbsup:

[mmzznnxx]

This proves that you live in a narrow little world.

Vince knows pressure. There are more University of Texas fans than there are Titans fans and Redskins fans COMBINED. The Longhorns completely own two top ten TV markets and two more top 50 TV markets. Longhorn games are simulcasted throughout Mexico in Spanish. Royal Memorial Stadium holds over 100,000 fans. There is more pressure involved with being the QB for the Longhorns than there is for being either the Titans or the Redskins QB. That is a fact. And Vince handled it brilliantly as a kid. He'll do just fine in DC.

If he could handle so pressure so well, as you say, there wouldn't be 99 pages dedicated to entertaining the idea of a supposed franchise QB on the 'Skins. Even with all the good programs Texas faced, the talent level of college teams is below even the worst NFL teams. Young's been very mediocre on a more talented team. I simply don't understand how you can even compare Young the Longhorn to Young the Titan, and even go so far as he'll be "fine" in DC.

[KDawg]

Jones drew wasn't even the featured back. Fred Taylor was the starter and ran for more than 1100 yds that year.

Vince Young (2006): 51.5% Comp. Rate, 2199 Yards, 6.2 YPA, 12 TD, 13 INT, 66.7 Rating, 82 carries, 552 yards, 7 TD, 12 FUM, 8 LOST

With players that I say once again NO LONGER IN THE LEAGUE.

Young is obviously not a running back and he ran for more than half of what Jones-drew did.

Dude you obviously don't want to give him credit if your comparing they're impact.

This is not even comparable while not even mentioning the 2 or 3 games Young won in the 4th quarter.

... Young fumbled 12 times and lost 8. MJD had 1 fumble. MJD had more rushing TDs than VY had passing. MJD had nearly 500 receiving yards... If you're arguing Young had a better year with a sub 1:1 td:int ratio and a comp percent just above 50% than a guy who played second string RB and wound up with nearly 1500 yards of offense and 15 TDs on 5.7 YPC you're out of your mind.