Destino Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) Harden is not going to draw any top notch players to Houston with his name. Harden got his name and cache riding the coat tails of Westbrook and Durant. On a great team he's a glorified role player. On a mediocre team he's a volume scorer who doesn't provide much of an uptick in the W/L column. Again with the volume scorer claim. Don't let facts get in the way of your argument. ---------- Post added December-11th-2012 at 09:47 PM ---------- Joe Johnson is one of the worst contracts in the NBA and Atlanta was fortunate to get out of that deal after a few years. He's case in point what paying and building around a feaux star like a franchise player gets you. He puts up awesome numbers and has a few skills he does really well and it gets your team nowhere. His contract is much higher and his production much lower. But otherwise... Yeah same thing. Yup. Edited December 12, 2012 by Destino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Harden is 24 and would be someone to help Wall stay. John Wall isn't staying in DC after his rookie deal. This team is the new bobcats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 24ppg on 17 shots is volume scoring on you planet? Look up Dirk Nowitzky and then come back and tell me that again. You are simply wrong. Btw this is what his pay looks like. James Harden 5,820,416 13,668,750 14,693,906 15,719,062 16,744,218 Yup clearly far too much to pay a good player. Better to shell that out for trash and role players. I didn't say it's better to waste a ton of money on trash and role players. Both strategies get you nowhere. Harden is a role player BTW. Dirk is a legit franchise player and a first ballot HoFer, Harden isn't fit to hold his jock. There is no comparison between them. A healthy Dirk alone gets your team to 50 wins and a playoff seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I can't make any sense of Wittmens rotations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I can't make any sense of Wittmens rotations. You're still trying? You are to be commended sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Harden is 24 and would be someone to help Wall stay. John Wall isn't staying in DC after his rookie deal. This team is the new bobcats Wall's not leaving any time soon. Nobody turns down the rookie max and I seriously doubt there would be any other team out there actually willing to give him that kind of contract. I'm not even completely sure we should any more. Where he is at today, and where we are, he doesn't deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Dirk is a legit franchise player and a first ballot HoFer, Harden isn't fit to hold his jock. There is no comparison between them. A healthy Dirk alone gets your team to 50 wins and a playoff seed. Is Dirk a volume scorer? That has nothing to do with anything but attempts versus points. You claim that Harden is a volume scorer and his points versus attempts look just like Hardens. So let me see you claim that Nowitzky is a volume scorer and then I'll move on to the next star with similar PPS and we can do this again until you realize how absurd your argument is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Again with the volume scorer claim. Don't let facts get in the way of your argument.---------- Post added December-11th-2012 at 09:47 PM ---------- His contract is much higher and his production much lower. But otherwise... Yeah same thing. Yup. Joe Johnson was a 20, 5, and 5 player on 45% shooting with a nasty inside--out and post up game with the ability to guard four positions and defend the wing at a high level when he signed his max deal. He was the best player on a middling playoff team. And it was an absolutely terrible contract that kept Atlanta from contending even though they already had a lot of talent and two All Stars in their front court. He was not a legit star and you can't build a contender around him as your franchise player. What does Houston have now with Harden? Where are they going? What's their plan? What would we have with Harden? What would our plan be? You're bullish on Harden because you're negative about our situation, tired of being a laughingstock and you'd be willing to settle for mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 This is an ugly ass game We are shooting 33% and still have a good shot at winning. ---------- Post added December-11th-2012 at 10:06 PM ---------- Ryan Anderson is ice cold this half, a large reason we're still in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) First of all, the nets are damn good despite Joe Johnson's contract. Second Joe Johnson 31. Third Johnson didn't crack 21 ppg until year seven and took 20 shots a game to do it. Harden is in year four and takes 17. Sorry but he's not Joe Johnson. Houston doesn't have a second star. We have Wall entering year three. They give us wins and they are tradable assets if Wall works out. Instead what do we have now? The worst team in the nba and the endless hope of another draft pick. Awesome plan! Edited December 12, 2012 by Destino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Is Dirk a volume scorer? That has nothing to do with anything but attempts versus points. You claim that Harden is a volume scorer and his points versus attempts look just like Hardens. So let me see you claim that Nowitzky is a volume scorer and then I'll move on to the next star with similar PPS and we can do this again until you realize how absurd your argument is. Harden is scoring 24 PPG on poor shooting %s playing a ton of minutes for a late lottery team. What has you all hot and bothered about that? Where is the comparison to Dirk coming from? Dirk was the man on a team that won 50+ games for 11 straight years with a healthy Dirk. Harden is riding high in goodwill because of what he was able to achieve last season playing third wheel to Russ and KD on a great OKC team. He even got a spot on the Olympic team out of it. In a couple years when people have forgotten how good he was that season and Houston caps out as an 8 seed, he's not going to be any more highly regarded than Joe Johnson is now that the shine wore off on him. Answer this, what is the one thing that Harden does that's elite? What's the one thing he's got that makes him a star? Every franchise player in the league has something you can point to physically or in his skill set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) Shooting percentage matter a great deal less that shots versus points or Points Per Shot. Why? Because Harden lives at the free throw line 9.4 attempts per game. His elite skill is his ability to attack the basket forcing contact while still being a decent shooter from the outside. He can generate his own shot and pass the ball well. You claimed he's a volume scorer I countered that 24 points on 17 shots is not a volume scoring. Edited December 12, 2012 by Destino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 win #3 coming up *pops bottle* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 We are actually going to win this ugly ass game. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 This was one of Beal's best games so far. It's an example of how +/- is not that useful in isolation. Scoring wasn't that outstanding but he was rebounding and defending and distributing the ball well. Picked his spots on offense. I'd like to see him be a lot more aggressive with the ball in his hands and take more shots but he can make an impact without shooting that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 one team shooting 32%, the other 33% this one of those games in which one team technically has to win, but damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Singleton and Okafor 55 minutes 8 points 9 rebounds. Nene and Seraphin 36 minutes 18 points 18 rebounds Despite Wittmans best efforts we are going to win this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBash Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Personally, I think we have something special with Beal. I don't think I'd like to have a player that would dominate the ball like Harden playing with Wall. HEY! We get to dribble out a win! No way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 one team shooting 32%, the other 33%this one of those games in which one team technically has to win, but damn 77 points scored... And we win. hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) Guess we should write an apology letter to the Pelicans. Edited December 12, 2012 by G.A.C.O.L.B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Shooting percentage matter a great deal less that shots versus points or Points Per Shot. Why? Because Harden lives at the free throw line 9.4 attempts per game. His elite skill is his ability to attack the basket forcing contact while still being a decent shooter from the outside. He can generate his own shot and pass the ball well.You claimed he's a volume scorer I countered that 24 points on 17 shots is not a volume scoring. 24 PPG on .429 from the field is not that good. You're right he's been good getting to the line and he's a great FT shooter but that's all he's doing well and it's what's propping up his scoring. He's not been a decent outside shooter this year. He's shooting an awful .330 on jumpers, 92nd in the NBA. You can just tell from watching him that he can't get himself good shots from outside when he doesn't have better players spacing the floor for him. And Houston actually has good shooters around him and can space the floor pretty well. It's really clear in crunch time situations when he has to be the man and defenses tighten up on him. He's just not fast and he's not that big or athletic and he hasn't gotten it done. Houston is no better now than they were last year. If he was a true star you'd have seen an uptick right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Houston messed up grabbing Lin at the contract they did. But i think they will have much better upside with their roster than we will because they already have a marketable player on a team that is one of the most marketable in the world. I think this offseason they will add a PF who can really help contribute. I say they are a 40 win team next year. Meanwhile we will possibly be grabbing another lottery pick based on potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaticSkinsFan Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) yeah, I think im just going to tune this team out until Wall comes back. Even if they win, I really dont care. And when Wall comes back, if he dont play well I will start thinking about the 2014 NBA draft. Harden and Wall could have been a great back court. That actually looks like a team that could make the playoffs. And Harden is only 23, 24? Yeah, thanks Ern-dawg. And thank you Ted for showing that you are a cheapskate like Abe was. To purgatory we go, To purgatory we go, hi-hio the derry-o to purgatory we go. ---------- Post added December-12th-2012 at 01:24 AM ---------- If Singleton could handle the ball, he would be such a good player. A legitimately good offensive player to go along with his defense and rebounding.Why haven't we made it a point to get him, Booker, Seraphin, and Vesely some handles? Seraphin needs to be able to acquit himself against doubles to take the next step and Ves and Booker are fast enough to get to the rim if they could dribble but both have legitimately terrible handles. you realize these guys are all in their 20s. You can learn to shoot better, but your handles are your handles at this point. You learn the game, and gain confidence in your dribbling, when you are playing in middle school and HS. U ever play ball before? ---------- Post added December-12th-2012 at 01:26 AM ---------- Harden is 24 and would be someone to help Wall stay. John Wall isn't staying in DC after his rookie deal. This team is the new bobcats no, Wall is staying. The way the NBA system is rigged, he has no choice but to stay. But I guarantee you there will be an early out clause. Edited December 12, 2012 by AsiaticSkinsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 you realize these guys are all in their 20s. You can learn to shoot better, but your handles are your handles at this point. You learn the game, and gain confidence in your dribbling, when you are playing in middle school and HS. U ever play ball before? Yes. And you can absolutely learn to improve your ball handling at any point in life. Saying you can't is letting the organization and our players off the hook. Advanced dribbles and off hand speed and comfort can always be learned and improved. Many NBA players do it. It takes hours of work, just like improving shooting. Our players just aren't doing it and I doubt the organization has told them they need to or offered to help them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 It is pretty remarkable. I had such high hopes. He is slowly reaching 2009/2010 Dan Snyder level of hate. It has truly become a Pre 2010 Dan and Vinny show with Ted and Ernie. Ted and Ernie.....sounds like a couple of Sesame Street puppets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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