The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Fine I'll take my Obama blinders off if you promise to take off your conspiracy blinders too. Wait, so you admit to having 'Obama blinders' on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aREDSKIN Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 So now we're going with the Kenyan born socialist doesn't really have a degree? I guess Harvard paid off all of those other students to keep their mouths shut when he was on the Harvard Law Review and when he graduated Jurist Doctor (Doctor of Law) Magna Cum-Laude. I bet it was the same people who paid off the Republican governor of Hawaii to falsify his Birth Certificate...oh wait...Certificate of Live Birth (Which BTW is what Virginia issues as well)...lets see did I forget anything?oh yeah :dunce: :doh: You know whats ironic in this is there are some States that will NOT ACCEPT a "certificate of live birth" as definitive or LEGAL proof of one's identity. Additionally, there are some little league associations that will not accept these too. ONLY long form birth certificates meet acceptance standards as PROOF. Show me the LONG form BO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Wait, so you admit to having 'Obama blinders' on? No, I'm just playing along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 No, I'm just playing along. Too late, I quoted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 You know whats ironic in this is there are some States that will NOT ACCEPT a "certificate of live birth" as definitive or LEGAL proof of one's identity. Additionally, there are some little league associations that will not accept these too. ONLY long form birth certificates meet acceptance standards as PROOF. Show me the LONG form BO. And yet in Hawaii it is legal proof of identity....so what's your point? Too late, I quoted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 You know whats ironic in this is there are some States that will NOT ACCEPT a "certificate of live birth" as definitive or LEGAL proof of one's identity. Additionally, there are some little league associations that will not accept these too. ONLY long form birth certificates meet acceptance standards as PROOF. Show me the LONG form BO. When I got my job, I had to show my long form birth certificate, and if I remember correctly, I had to do the same thing for my passport. :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 When I got my job, I had to show my long form birth certificate, and if I remember correctly, I had to do the same thing for my passport. :whoknows: I just got my passport this summer and all I needed was the Virginia Certificate of Live Birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 I just got my passport this summer and all I needed was the Virginia Certificate of Live Birth. I was born in DC, so I guess things are different :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Fine I'll take my Obama blinders off if you promise to take off your conspiracy blinders too.My premise is the one that makes sense. The true conspiracy theory is the one based on "well he MUST have done a thesis, he just MUST have", despite not a shred of evidence that one exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Awesome, another Obama debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 My premise is the one that makes sense. Just 'cause you say so don't mean it is so. Just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and just because you want there to be a conspiracy so you can continue to try and delegitimize Obama as the President doesn't mean there is really a conspiracy. But, then its not about reality that is really important anymore, its all about the insinuation of wrong doing that counts in some people's eyes. By your premise you condemn not only Harvard Law School, but the professors, Harvard Law Review and the students who would be in positions to know if Obama worked on his thesis in Law School. By the time we finish with all of these tin-hat conspiracy theories from the Right the logic that will be needed to maintain them each will cause each and every person in the United States to be complicit in the massive cover-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 This reminds me of the debates with people claiming 9/11 was an inside job. Is this really what we should be talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 This reminds me of the debates with people claiming 9/11 was an inside job. Is this really what we should be talking about? Sure, anything but discussing the topic of the thread and Rush Limbaugh's moronic logic for standing by the satire article regarding Obama's thesis. "Nothing up my sleeve...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 You know whats ironic in this is there are some States that will NOT ACCEPT a "certificate of live birth" as definitive or LEGAL proof of one's identity. Additionally, there are some little league associations that will not accept these too. ONLY long form birth certificates meet acceptance standards as PROOF. Show me the LONG form BO. Birther. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Birther. O'rly Tate is a 'Skins fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 Baculus: Weren't you a Pentagon truther? Several years ago, yes, until I realized I had to take off my own blinders. It's difficult to seriously talk about political subjects if your final conclusion always leads to a conspiracy theory. If your final conclusion is that "they did it." Conspiracy theories are sometimes a trap to create a bubble of limited thinking, and once you are inside of it, it's hard to escape. It becomes your world view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Just 'cause you say so don't mean it is so. Just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and just because you want there to be a conspiracy so you can continue to try and delegitimize Obama as the President doesn't mean there is really a conspiracy.But, then its not about reality that is really important anymore, its all about the insinuation of wrong doing that counts in some people's eyes. By your premise you condemn not only Harvard Law School, but the professors, Harvard Law Review and the students who would be in positions to know if Obama worked on his thesis in Law School. By the time we finish with all of these tin-hat conspiracy theories from the Right the logic that will be needed to maintain them each will cause each and every person in the United States to be complicit in the massive cover-up. You are trying much harder to legitimize the guy than I am trying to do the opposite.I really do not care if he ever submitted squat. But upon hearing both sides on the issue I came up with a logical conclusion. You realize that the colleges officially say that a thesis was not even a requirement. So Obama claims to go over and above the official requirement, but cannot produce a paper. Would not be the first time somebody has exaggerated a resume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 You are trying much harder to legitimize the guy than I am trying to do the opposite.I really do not care if he ever submitted squat. But upon hearing both sides on the issue I came up with a logical conclusion. You realize that the colleges officially say that a thesis was not even a requirement. So Obama claims to go over and above the official requirement, but cannot produce a paper. Would not be the first time somebody has exaggerated a resume. See and there you go again, because by saying that you then implicate the Thesis committee for not coming out and saying that Obama didn't write a thesis. You say "its not the first time somebody has exaggerated a resume" but the situation is much more complex than that because this isn't a matter of a simple resume, in order for what you are saying to be so lots of people have to be in on the supposed cover-up. The thing about conspiracy theories is that they only work when you look at only part of the evidence, but once you start pulling the strings to their logical conclusions they fall apart or they are forced to expand to include large numbers of people. Oh and I'm not trying to legitimize Obama, I'm simply pointing out the non-existent logic in your conspiracy theory. It seems to me that you want this to be true, and so you believe it is and as such you are falling into the same horrific trap that Rush Limbaugh jumped into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 You are trying much harder to legitimize the guy than I am trying to do the opposite.I really do not care if he ever submitted squat. But upon hearing both sides on the issue I came up with a logical conclusion. You realize that the colleges officially say that a thesis was not even a requirement. So Obama claims to go over and above the official requirement, but cannot produce a paper. Would not be the first time somebody has exaggerated a resume. Yes, at that time, a "thesis paper" was not a requirement at Columbia for an undergraduate degree in political science: "As far as has been determined, Barack Obama did not produce a formal thesis for his degree at Columbia University; the closest match is a paper he wrote during his senior year for an honors seminar in American Foreign Policy." http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/columbiathesis.asp It is a non-issue. Obama does not have a thesis because it never existed in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 See and there you go again, because by saying that you then implicate the Thesis committee for not coming out and saying that Obama didn't write a thesis. You say "its not the first time somebody has exaggerated a resume" but the situation is much more complex than that because this isn't a matter of a simple resume, in order for what you are saying to be so lots of people have to be in on the supposed cover-up. The thing about conspiracy theories is that they only work when you look at only part of the evidence, but once you start pulling the strings to their logical conclusions they fall apart or they are forced to expand to include large numbers of people.Are you reading anything or just being an idiot for your messiah (the one in the whitehouse)? How could there be a "thesis committee" when there is no requirement for a thesis? No massive coverup, just one retired professor, who is either lying or not remembering correctly. (And Obama, of course.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 Are you reading anything or just being an idiot for your messiah (the one in the whitehouse)? How could there be a "thesis committee" when there is no requirement for a thesis? No massive coverup, just one retired professor, who is either lying or not remembering correctly. (And Obama, of course.) Columbia did NOT require a final thesis for an undergraduate degree. No cover-up is needed because the school didn't have that requirement. You can't find what wasn't kept on record. Constantly agitating about it is a lost cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aREDSKIN Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Birther. Hey did you just call me a name?? Isn't that against the forum rules Mr. Truther? By the way heres a link to BO's writings and his professor http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/24/1219454.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Are you reading anything or just being an idiot for your messiah (the one in the whitehouse)? How could there be a "thesis committee" when there is no requirement for a thesis? No massive coverup, just one retired professor, who is either lying or not remembering correctly. (And Obama, of course.) If you want to know when I stopped reading I'll give you one guess. BTW, this is me washing my hands of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Columbia did NOT require a final thesis for an undergraduate degree. No cover-up is needed because the school didn't have that requirement. You can't find what wasn't kept on record. Constantly agitating about it is a lost cause. Not requiring a thesis is not the same thing as there not having the opportunity to write one, which was the case in my grad school. The Nuclear Disarmarment paper that he wrote, which was that for, undergrad or grad school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 Not requiring a thesis is not the same thing as there not having the opportunity to write one, which was the case in my grad school. The Nuclear Disarmarment paper that he wrote, which was that for, undergrad or grad school? That was for his undergraduate degree at Columbia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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