DeaconBlue Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I can't wait till all your stuff is now all OUR stuff...Comrade! The ice that you stand on now is VERY thin. I Hope thats not your true POV., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I haven't followed the postmortem of Minnesota's election and (though I am a conservative at heart on many topics) I just don't see how we can celebrate having a filibuster proof D.C. None of us wins when we try to bulldog stuff through the system. I wouldn't want it if we presently had a Republican President. I would make light of the resume of Minny's new governor but heck, that state had a former pro wrestler before, right? I wouldn't be TOO concerned. Getting 60 Democrats to agree on anything is nigh impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Especially since Reagan understood that at the state level, it was okay to raise taxes to pay for things, even during hard financial times.And when the State of CA had a surplus and the Politicians wanted two HUGE government buildings.....Ronny held the Line and said NOHe figured if they had small offices they wouldn't spend so much $$$$$ He was Right...in more ways than one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Franken is far different than Limbaugh. The left doesn't really have a Rush Limbaugh. He's an unprecedented entity in the realm of politics. And a giant douchebag.How is "Air America" doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 When Nixon ran for President in 1960, people rolled over in their graves... and then voted for Kennedy.They would have voted TWICE but ACORN wasn't that "Organized" yet :rotflmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 WSJ Editorial..... The 'Absentee' Senator Franken wins by changing the rules. The Minnesota Supreme Court yesterday declared Democrat Al Franken the winner of last year's disputed Senate race, and Republican incumbent Norm Coleman's gracious concession at least spares the state any further legal combat. The unfortunate lesson is that you don't need to win the vote on Election Day as long as your lawyers are creative enough to have enough new or disqualified ballots counted after the fact. Mr. Franken trailed Mr. Coleman by 725 votes after the initial count on election night, and 215 after the first canvass. The Democrat's strategy from the start was to manipulate the recount in a way that would discover votes that could add to his total. The Franken legal team swarmed the recount, aggressively demanding that votes that had been disqualified be added to his count, while others be denied for Mr. Coleman. But the team's real goldmine were absentee ballots, thousands of which the Franken team claimed had been mistakenly rejected. While Mr. Coleman's lawyers demanded a uniform standard for how counties should re-evaluate these rejected ballots, the Franken team ginned up an additional 1,350 absentees from Franken-leaning counties. By the time this treasure hunt ended, Mr. Franken was 312 votes up, and Mr. Coleman was left to file legal briefs. What Mr. Franken understood was that courts would later be loathe to overrule decisions made by the canvassing board, however arbitrary those decisions were. He was right. The three-judge panel overseeing the Coleman legal challenge, and the Supreme Court that reviewed the panel's findings, in essence found that Mr. Coleman hadn't demonstrated a willful or malicious attempt on behalf of officials to deny him the election. And so they refused to reopen what had become a forbidding tangle of irregularities. Mr. Coleman didn't lose the election. He lost the fight to stop the state canvassing board from changing the vote-counting rules after the fact. This is now the second time Republicans have been beaten in this kind of legal street fight. In 2004, Dino Rossi was ahead in the election-night count for Washington Governor against Democrat Christine Gregoire. Ms. Gregoire's team demanded the right to rifle through a list of provisional votes that hadn't been counted, setting off a hunt for "new" Gregoire votes. By the third recount, she'd discovered enough to win. This was the model for the Franken team. Mr. Franken now goes to the Senate having effectively stolen an election. If the GOP hopes to avoid repeats, it should learn from Minnesota that modern elections don't end when voters cast their ballots. They only end after the lawyers count them. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124640687950076679.html So Franken tried to Cherry Pick like Gore Backs up what the "SHILL" Kilmer was saying (no offense intended Kilmer...Good debating by the way!!!!) Its probably to much to ask Gore apostles to admit hypocrisy.....its their calling card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 And for those that just cant help the Bedtime for Bonzo jokes Meet your new Senator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LApunkrocker72 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Congrats to Al Franken. I truly think he will do a good job as a U.S. Senator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I wonder just how bad the other guy had to be to lose to Franken AND THAT is the truth of this entire situation. It's not Franken's fault he was within a few hundred votes of the incumbent. That in and of itself should be end game for the person already there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHendrix Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I'm just glad that idiocy is over. Deciding who won should never have taken so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 When Nixon ran for President in 1960, people rolled over in their graves... and then voted for Kennedy. When Nixon ran for President in 1960 tens of thousands of blacks at least were illegally barred or discriminated against to block them from voting. I'd bet prejudice stopped more votes than zombies added to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoot Point Really Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 When Nixon ran for President in 1960 tens of thousands of blacks at least were illegally barred or discriminated against to block them from voting. I'd bet prejudice stopped more votes than zombies added to it. Democrats in the 60s would've never been guilty of barring blacks from voting... Makes you wonder why Martin Luther King and Jackie Robinson were Republicans. I mean, how could they be Republican with support from the likes of Democrat Senator/President Kennedy (voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act and opposed the 1963 March on Washington) and Democrat Governor George Wallace? Pretty good information here: http://www.nbra.info/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I was thinking about that while I was writing it, but you never know how they'd really vote. Still, if we add six years, it's the Republicans doing all the blocking, bullying, and horrible stuff. Which goes to show you, it ain't the party it's the ****s in it. (In this case, I bet many were the same people who flopped parties due to their racism.) Republicans are as if not more guilty than Dems. Heck, just look at the Diebold voting machines that through testing always gave the repub a 60 40 edge or the president who "promised" Bush the election. Nefarious indeed! There isn't enough tin foil in North America to cover the stuff the Republicans try to get away with. The Dems by comparison (in recent decades) are downright saintly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 The ice that you stand on now is VERY thin. I Hope thats not your true POV., Its a joke because the whole socialism claim is stupid. We already pay taxes. We already fund things like police, fire fighters and a military. We already have SOCIAL security. Here is a free tip from a Centrist who votes Libertarian now. Retire the use of "Socialist" or "Socialism" or anything of that sort. It imploded last year.....and it will again. Provide your own alternative solutions, and harp on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbear Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 What I find interesting is how tenuous the 60 votes are. What do you think it will take to get cancer Kenedy and 91 year old Bird to the floor for a vote to stop a filabuster. That also assumes you have all 60 dems in agreement. I'm waiting, for the cry of you have 60 so do it. Of course I think the cry should happen long before 60. I just point out that it's not a very functional super majority, and I don't think that's a bad thing. If you can't convince somebody from the other side to at least take a vote on something, then you don't have any kind of concensus...and that's what I thought the Senate was suposed to be about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karmacop Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 So Franken tried to Cherry Pick like GoreBacks up what the "SHILL" Kilmer was saying (no offense intended Kilmer...Good debating by the way!!!!) Its probably to much to ask Gore apostles to admit hypocrisy.....its their calling card That article comes right out of a Coleman brief. It's not an editorial, it's pure fiction. Notice the complete lack of facts or references in that entire piece. That's because facts are stubborn, and wouldn't support the WSJ's preferred version of reality. And before you come back and ask me for support, just review my posts in this thread, and click on the link I posted to a thread back in January where I provide more links to back up my arguments. I challenge you to do the same before you make one more unsupported claim that Franken "stole" the election instead of simply winning it outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkHog Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Its a joke because the whole socialism claim is stupid. We already pay taxes. We already fund things like police, fire fighters and a military. We already have SOCIAL security.Here is a free tip from a Centrist who votes Libertarian now. Retire the use of "Socialist" or "Socialism" or anything of that sort. It imploded last year.....and it will again. Provide your own alternative solutions, and harp on that. I disagree, why can't we call a spade a spade? Sure we do have some socialist programs. But when was the last time we nationalized major corporations? What we are seeing now is a move towards unprecedented levels of government control in the marketplace and the allocation of resources and wealth in this country. It is really shocking, and maybe moreso that people like you are saying we should ignore this or find something else to harp on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 The question is really what would you have done? Would you have let the entire banking and financial industry in the U.S. collapse? Republicans (like Reagan and Bush) repeatedly have saved industries whether it be the airlines, automanufacturers, etc. so I don't know that you have a leg to stand on there. Is it about Government influence or control of these countries? Then, you have to look again at the Republican precedent with AIG, Fannie, Freddie, etc. The truth is that the Republican Party has engaged in deeper socialism. Perhaps, you're talking about government rights trumping individual rights? Well, the Creation of the Dept. of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act were some of the most dangerous towards American Liberties, but almost universally applauded by the Right. The party of Big Brother Government today is the Republican Party. It is to be seen after the fires are put out (and hopefully they will be) where the Dems stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoot Point Really Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I guess some are mad because Kathleen Harris couldn't decide the outcome. You do realize that the only way Al Gore could've won would be if he had requested a statewide recount... Instead, he insisted on only recounting a few counties that he thought would swing the election in his favor. Therefore, the droll mantra of "let every vote count" was just BS. If he really intended on "letting every vote count" and they had counted every dimpled/hanging chad in his favor, he MIGHT have won. Washington Post Article from November 2001 Katherine Harris was an elected official of the State of Florida... She didn't "decide" the outcome, the voters did and so did Al Gore (as a result of his unwillingness to let every vote count). Regardless, "elections have consequences"... Even elections for Secretary of State for the state of Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoot Point Really Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Al Franken is a world-class douche... He couldn't have happened to a nicer party... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkHog Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 The question is really what would you have done? Would you have let the entire banking and financial industry in the U.S. collapse? Republicans (like Reagan and Bush) repeatedly have saved industries whether it be the airlines, automanufacturers, etc. so I don't know that you have a leg to stand on there. Is it about Government influence or control of these countries? Then, you have to look again at the Republican precedent with AIG, Fannie, Freddie, etc. The truth is that the Republican Party has engaged in deeper socialism. Perhaps, you're talking about government rights trumping individual rights? Well, the Creation of the Dept. of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act were some of the most dangerous towards American Liberties, but almost universally applauded by the Right.The party of Big Brother Government today is the Republican Party. It is to be seen after the fires are put out (and hopefully they will be) where the Dems stand. When did I ever mention the Republican party? So do two wrongs make a right? Anyway, I do remember R's bailing out corporations but I never remember them buying a controlling stake in one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Anyway, I do remember R's bailing out corporations but I never remember them buying a controlling stake in one. AIG? Fannie? Freddie? You have a very short term memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 The party of Big Brother Government today is the Republican Party. It is to be seen after the fires are put out (and hopefully they will be) where the Dems stand. Still waiting for the Democratic President and Super majority Congress to repeal that dastardly Patriot Act. Gonna be waiting a while on that one Anyways, the Rs clearly did become the party of Big Corporation the past decade. It'll take a very very long time for any reversal in Republican fortunes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 You do realize that the only way Al Gore could've won would be if he had requested a statewide recount... Instead, he insisted on only recounting a few counties that he thought would swing the election in his favor. Therefore, the droll mantra of "let every vote count" was just BS. If he really intended on "letting every vote count" and they had counted every dimpled/hanging chad in his favor, he MIGHT have won. You do realize that I followed that post up shortly with another that stated, at the time of the 2000 elections, Florida had no mechanism for a statewide recount. The only mechanism in place, that anyone could request, was a county by county recount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Dems now have supermajority? Cool, I can break out "All your base are belong to us". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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