bikie Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 the combination of the two works best, in my opinion... the way tomlin handled parker speaking out last season compared with how zorn handled portis was glowing to me... coaches that can related to the players but also demand their respect are usually the best... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Strict, then a bit of both once the ground rules have been established & some appreciation of 'who's in charge' exists. The key is making that happen whilst building & maintaining some kind of genuine mutual respect with the players. I also like the idea of someone who makes good or average players perform like great players. That tends to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 A winning coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darklight1216 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I'm liking John Harbaugh so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrfriedm Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 The type of coach I like is a WINNER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Screen Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 A coach that gets W's. That's all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronhobie Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Personally I like a strict coach but a coach can not go against his on personal make up. If he is a laid back guy he has to coach that way and not try to adopt a coaching style that opposes his own personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngestson Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 You forgot the obvious third type: The coach who wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corn_beef_n_rice Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 i like the new HC with the jets, talk to trash to the players and saying he is gonna whip their tooshie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sens11 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 I like the coaches that figure out what motivates thier team best. If he finds that his team responds to some "fire"; so be it; If the team responds to "being laid back", that's cool too... I would say that any combination of the two is the correct answer. The balance of the two is probably the most important part for any winner; whether it's a football coach or anyone that is responsible for a group of people. At the end of the day, people respect and respond to a winner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jflow78 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 There should be a third option, maybe a fourth too. I don't think you can make "laid back" and "strict/diciplinarian" mutually exclusive. If you had options like, "a screamer" or "a push-over" then they'd be completely different, but you can be laid-back and a disciplinarian at the same time. It's all in how you go about it. I don't think Tony Dungy wasn't a disciplinarian and he was laid back, same with Coach Gibbs, Zorn. I don't want a stand-offish coach who alienates players, but I don't want him to go to strip clubs with the players either. You need a good balance I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana_89 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 whatever mike tomlin is. I concur:D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 The two sides are so polar, but I think you would have to go with disciplinarian. You have to have the team in line and fighting. If a coach is too laid back, its not motivating enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 It looks like Disciplinarian is the overwhelming favorite. With that said, what type of coach is the best fit for this team now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Am not so sure that Zorn is laid back. He talks like he is with the stay medium rhetroic but then you see him on the sidelines sometimes looking like an emotional basket case when things go wrong. We saw him chew out Portis on the sidelines in a nationally televised game. By his own admission he yelled at the waterboy one game. We have seen him call out players and even make fun of them (and not perhaps in a nice way) in interviews. To me Zorn seems like a man searching for his identiy as a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger5 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Laid back and even soft spoken like Tony Dungy. You're dealing with grown men, professionals and in some cases millionaires. If you have to be disciplinarian to them they don't need to be on your team IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseBowlrz Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 One that respects the tradition of home white ... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam291 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Am not so sure that Zorn is laid back. He talks like he is with the stay medium rhetroic but then you see him on the sidelines sometimes looking like an emotional basket case when things go wrong. We saw him chew out Portis on the sidelines in a nationally televised game. By his own admission he yelled at the waterboy one game. We have seen him call out players and even make fun of them (and not perhaps in a nice way) in interviews.To me Zorn seems like a man searching for his identiy as a head coach. I think Zorn is the third specific type of coach that's getting ignored in this thread, which is the player's coach. They usually are more laid back and personable in interviews and press conferences, but when they get on the field they become fiery and pretty tough. I think Tomlin, Rex Ryan, Fisher and yes, Zorn, fit the mold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 I think Zorn is the third specific type of coach that's getting ignored in this thread, which is the player's coach. They usually are more laid back and personable in interviews and press conferences, but when they get on the field they become fiery and pretty tough. I think Tomlin, Rex Ryan, Fisher and yes, Zorn, fit the mold. Good point though you see some of Zorn's temper in interviews too, he snapped at Czaben a couple of times in radio interviews, then I recall he let a reporter have it for rolling their eyes in a press conference. Zorn to me is a hard guy to figure out personality wise. You see his laid back nature, and that he can be a really nice guy, very protective of players like Jason Campbell in the media then you see a snippy, emotional guy who takes shots at his players in the media Edit: thinking about it for a sec, that's not wildy different from Norv. Norv seemed laid back but you also saw his firey side on the sidelines at times, and like Zorn seemed to like to shift the responsibility of the losses to the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkin09 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 How about one that gets to stick around longer than two years, so we can actually see what type he is and if he is worth a damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Waterboy Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 You can be either and have it work ... But what you cannot do is start out as laid back and then become a disciplinarian. It confuses people and they don't know how to respond. On the other hand you can start out as a disciplinarian and later, if when things are running the way you want, become laid back. So, the viable options are: 1. Strict - Strict 2. Strict - Laid Back 3. Laid Back - Laid Back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 I have the same opinion on coaches as Machiavelli does on political leaders. In answering the question of whether it is better to be loved than feared' date=' Machiavelli writes, “The answer is of course, that it would be best to be both loved and feared. But since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved.” As Machiavelli asserts, commitments made in peace are not always kept in adversity; however, commitments made in fear are kept out of fear. Yet, a prince must ensure that he is not feared to the point of hatred, which is very possible.[/quote']+1 strict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRNY4ZRNY Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Both, You cant have just one or the other. You want a "multi dimensional" coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_ Skinshead Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 One that wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUBLUFAN Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 any coach who walks into a team w/ an affirmed M.O. is doomed from the start. Success is found in diversity and the ability to indear one's self to the impressionable and to lay off of the hard !@#'s. If you talk that, " My way or the highway" jive you will draw the knucle-head out of every guy in your lockerroom. You gotta be both... HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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