redskins021 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Ok I will be fine with this if it goes down somthing like this Browns get: Jason Campbell and redskins 3rd Broncos get: Brady Quinn 13 overall pick next years redskins 2nd round pick Ladell Betts (similar to portis and portis excelled in that system). Redskins get: Jay Cutler Broncos 2nd round pick. With the Broncos 2nd the Redskins select: Clint Sintim or Michael Johnson or Larry English or Aaron Maybin. Which ever ones is avaliable they will play SAM LB on 1st and 2nd down then move to DE on passing downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Here's what I don't get. Why on earth would Tennessee be interested in this? They just extended Kerry Collins. They still have Vince Young, and I don't think Vince Young is better than Jason Campbell. I'm not buying this rumor from this paper. You honestly don't understand why the Titans aren't satisfied going forward with Kerry Collins and Vince Young as their future? In my opinion, Jay Cutler is the most valuable player in the NFL. I don't like his prima donna mouth, but Denver has given Jay and his agent an excuse to force a trade at a reasonable price. Count former Jets quarterback and CBS Sports analyst Boomer Esiason among those who believe a Cutler trade is inevitable. Esiason told the New York Post that the Jets should do everything possible to acquire Cutler:“I’m telling you, if I could get this kid, I would go guns a-blazing and try to get him,” Esiason said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I've heard in the past 48 hours or so - on the radio - that Cutler was already running the WCO in Denver with Shanahan. Is that correct? Because if so, what's the worry about Cutler learning Zorn's offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 BTW Bubba. If these articles of "rumors" bother you so much, maybe you shouldn't post those articles? That irony hasn't been lost on me either KG. Maybe it opens up another avenue to try to vainly change peoples minds on Jason, in the face of everything they see with their own eyes? Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Damnit Bubba, you keep shootin' the messengers... not aiming at you amigo I recall last year on the first day of training camp when we were told repeatedly that no conversations between Washington and Miami had taken place only to have the trade for Taylor announced an hour later. The initial denials were later recanted and it was admitted by the team that talks had gone on throughout the day. there is a huge difference between saying we're not talking with Miami.... then announcing an hour later they were and saying to players, agents, and being definite saying we aren't interested in Cutler, and Campbell's our guy When else has the Skins FO went out to deny a tumor, and get called out for lying? Jim Fassel ring a Bell? We said we weren't interested in TO, despite league sources saying we were.... and where did TO go? Actually the TO rumors happen twice But at the same time I am not mad at reporters for doing their job. In this case I know the guy and can tell you that if he wrote it, it is a legitimate story with credible sources. Sorry but I see this same stuff all the time... see rumor, report rumor as fact, then start hedging their bet when the rumors aren't true. He maybe a great guy, but I don't know him from Adam.... I just call them as I see them :cool2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikie Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I really believe any trade involving cutler is going to involve cassel going to denver... that's what started this whole mess... what's crazy is cassel is still on his franchise tag!! he owes the cheifs one year unless they sign him otherwise... so if you are cassel, you are getting like 14M this year and virtually guaranteed the starting position to prove yourself for a ridiculous contract next year.... so any trade should be what we'd give the chiefs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 You honestly don't understand why the Titans aren't satisfied going forward with Kerry Collins and Vince Young as their future?In my opinion, Jay Cutler is the most valuable player in the NFL. I don't like his prima donna mouth, but Denver has given Jay and his agent an excuse to force a trade at a reasonable price. First off I understand why they might not feel comfortable with Collins who just turned 36. Problem is we know Denver wants a player. They do not Want Collins, not at that age. As for Vince Young, he's been in the league 3 years? He's not a particularly accurate QB (Even less accurate than JC), And he throws for fewer yards. I also don't think he fits the mold for the style of QB that McDaniels would want. He also doesn't throw many touchdowns (10 to campbells 35 on his career). He also didn't have his head in the game and got pulled from Starting last year. Cutler is NOT the most valuable player in the league, not by far. I'd put Peyton, Tom Brady, and at least 3 or 4 other players above him. Now I can understand why Tennessee might be interested, but I don't see what ammo they have to get him. It also isn't like Tennessee to trade for players like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirClintonPortis Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I've heard in the past 48 hours or so - on the radio - that Cutler was already running the WCO in Denver with Shanahan. Is that correct? Because if so, what's the worry about Cutler learning Zorn's offense? It shouldn't be too hard, provided that the syntax of the terminology remains the same or is very similar and the names of the play 'link' to the same play in both playbooks more often than not. However, since Holmgren and Shanahan are separate from each other, there will probably more variation between the playbooks despite them using Walsh's plays as the foundation. Plus, Shanahan used a lot of shotgun for Jay to cater to his strengths, something I doubt Zorn will ever do...for a while, at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I've heard in the past 48 hours or so - on the radio - that Cutler was already running the WCO in Denver with Shanahan. Is that correct? Because if so, what's the worry about Cutler learning Zorn's offense? Yes, Cutler ran Shanahan's flavor of the WCO. Learning a new system would be a minor issue. I think the bigger factor is that Zorn would have to adapt his game to Cutler's talent. He has much more creative ability than Campbell. He's not your basic "game manager" type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastes Like Chicken Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I would sacrifice a live chicken to the football gods to make this happen. Maybe even a person. Thanks for volunteering. I'll miss your posts and your sig is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Cutler is NOT the most valuable player in the league, not by far. I'd put Peyton, Tom Brady, and at least 3 or 4 other players above him. We disagree. I'd trade Brady or Peyton for 25 year-old Jay Cutler in a heartbeat. He needs less support to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega4ce Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Why? If the redskins do trade for cutler, he will still have to learn Playbook and still have O line problems. In order to get Cutley Denver will want 1st and maybe 4 or 5 round pick. Redskins will still have a need for RT, DE and SOLB. No ways the redskins will give up that much for Cutler You believe its a bad trade for us. We're known for doing bad trades in the past. So if its really a bad trade, it will happen for sure. I believe its a good trade. As we havent done any good trades in the past, we would have to expect that we will fail striking a deal here. Who you support now, my opinion or yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Where's Zorn in all of this? If Jason IS his man, as he's claimed all along, why has he not been out giving him his full support and putting these rumours to bed? Just saying. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putartmonkinthehall Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 This is Kiem's attempt at backtracking after he caused a firestorm with his shoddy journalism based on conjecture from the same kind of "league sources" that Jason La Canfora's lazy ass always falls back on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonoman Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Get Cutler and dump Campbell. Give the 13th pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Where's Zorn in all of this?If Jason IS his man, as he's claimed all along, why has he not been out giving him his full support and putting these rumours to bed? Just saying. Hail. I think Zorn has been told to not say a word. Snyder and Vinny have scripted with him what to say and what not to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 In my opinion, Jay Cutler is the most valuable player in the NFL. Let's not get crazy here. He's 17-20, doesn't show up in the fourth quarter, and reportedly is not a locker room favorite nor a fan of watching film. Sick talent, but come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_R Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 This is getting out of control I d rather have Jason Have this season and not throw the INTs that Cutler will and blah blah Brennan blah blah I'd rather have Cutler and watch him throw the TDs that Campbell won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrifNick21 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 We disagree. I'd trade Brady or Peyton for 25 year-old Jay Cutler in a heartbeat. He needs less support to win. He needs less support to win? He's had a pro bowl wide receiver and hasn't won anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I think Zorn has been told to not say a word. Snyder and Vinny have scripted with him what to say and what not to say. RWJ- Get out of my mind man. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmiJo Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 He maybe a great guy, but I don't know him from Adam.... I just call them as I see them :cool2: Well my friend, this time you're seeing it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 He needs less support to win? He's had a pro bowl wide receiver and hasn't won anything. Exactly. In fact, he actually lost a couple games in the fourth last year with his horrendous decision making. I'm not a big JC fan, but Cutler as MVP is laughable. I mean, Jeff George had great stats too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Jets are probably ahead of the pack, but I'm not counting us out if Dan wants the guy badly enough and I hope he does. I think Denver would like Landry to go alongside of Dawkins - that has to be enticing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurgyFan Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Personally, I don't care whether or not the current back-and-forth is total fact or fact based rumor. I just hope it happens. If Vinny says Campbell's our guy, he may be using a preemptive tactic in case talks(if they are, in fact, in talks) break down. That way, it won't mess with Campbell's head as bad. I just want us to have a freaking quarterback we can depend on like it used to be back in the day. Sorry, but Campbell ain't the guy. He's a nice guy and I know he's been through a veritable cornucopia of head coaches and offensive schemes, but sometimes bad things happen to good people. I want a QB who can make things happen, not just "manage" a game. By and large, game "managers" don't inspire fear and trepidation on the part of opponents. Team leaders do. My two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Where's Zorn in all of this?If Jason IS his man, as he's claimed all along, why has he not been out giving him his full support and putting these rumours to bed? Just saying. Hail. Zorn isn't going to risk his job by standing by Campbell. Last year, he had to start him -- that much was clear from the time they hired him. But not anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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