DRSmith Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 The guy I saw on the field last year is more than a back-up. He would be a back up with alot of playing time On nickle packages you could move Springs to CB and have Horton in as a safety OR use in him the 3 safety set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I'm pretty sure that's what's going to happen. Washington might be the only player I see getting cut and not coming back. Actually Springs might not come back after being cut as well. If he does come back he definitely won't sign a four-year deal. Also I think our FO is afraid to cut Taylor. I would try to trade Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Jason Taylor Marcus Washington Antwan Randel El Shawn Springs Todd Collins Mike Green Alfred Fincher Jason Fabini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sick Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 If we keep Daniels we should move him to DT full-time. He is probably one of the strongest guys in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Jansen costs more to cut than to keep so to cut him out of hand makes no sense. A lot of people are posting this, or similar remarks. To be clear- It may not "make sense" in terms of 09, but it certainly does in the longer term. releasing Jansen now eliminates his cap number (around 6.5 mil) completely in 2010. For a team that isn't really a contender and should be looking at the future, sacrificing some cap room now to save some in the future certainly makes sense. It makes a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassSkinsFan Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Everyone on the team is expendable except for Red Snapper. That's a relief!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I'll just go by each position QB: maybe Collins RB: none, though Betts and Rock aren't safe either, IMO WR: Thrash TE: maybe Yoder OL: maybe Randy Thomas, but doubtful unless we get a replacement FB: none DEs: Taylor unless he restructures, maybe Daniels if he didn't recover fully DTs: maybe Griffin, we should IMO LBers: maybe Marcus Washington, but we'd need a replacement asap CBs: none, but we should cut Springs, IMO FS: none SS: maybe Green or Doughty We have a lot of guys who are already free agents, so we won;t have as many cuts simply because some of the people we want gone are already free agents now. I'd say Thrash is gone for sure, but the others are maybes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never4get#21 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 1. Daniels unless they think he can move inside. His injury was serious and he's old. 2. Washington He can not stay healthy. We need youth at LB period. 3. Springs although most have stated they want Rogers out. I dont think that will happen. SS salary is way too high, he's often injured, and simply not a team player. 4. Yoder No need for him anymore. 5. Thrash No need for him anymore. 6. Taylor Only if he doesnt re-structure his contract. I would like to see him back. Get a stud DT and let him loose!! 7. Griffin Salary & Cap Savings!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 A lot of people are posting this, or similar remarks. To be clear- It may not "make sense" in terms of 09, but it certainly does in the longer term. releasing Jansen now eliminates his cap number (around 6.5 mil) completely in 2010. For a team that isn't really a contender and should be looking at the future, sacrificing some cap room now to save some in the future certainly makes sense. It makes a lot of sense. Before cutting Jansen I would like to see what he can do at Guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 A lot of people are posting this, or similar remarks. To be clear- It may not "make sense" in terms of 09, but it certainly does in the longer term. releasing Jansen now eliminates his cap number (around 6.5 mil) completely in 2010. For a team that isn't really a contender and should be looking at the future, sacrificing some cap room now to save some in the future certainly makes sense. It makes a lot of sense. very good point. but you know our front office, theyre not smart enough to figure this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twenty-eight Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Some suggestions in this thread are ridiculous. You can't cut a guy who is going to cost us more money by being released! please us this link: http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Before cutting Jansen I would like to see what he can do at Guard And what reason is there to think he can succeed there? Again, that would be a move typical of an organization that can't formulate a coherent plan. We're being "patient" we're building "thru the draft" and "for the future". But, let's have less cap room in that future so we can move an older, fading, broken down player to a position he's never played and see if we can squeeze 1 or 2 more years of mediocrity out of him there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 very good point. but you know our front office, theyre not smart enough to figure this out. I disagree because.......well, I'd like to disagree, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGREENHULK Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Taylor, Daniels, Springs, Washington.We would go from being 5 mil over to 16 mil under the cap, per PC's cap page. Don't forget about Jansen and Smoot....I'd resign Pete Kendell but the others can go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingtar Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Some suggestions in this thread are ridiculous. You can't cut a guy who is going to cost us more money by being released!please us this link: http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm sometimes it is better to take your medicine and get rid of someone who will not contribute as long as the release fee is not enormously higher than keeping them. Jansen comes to mind. I just don't think he has anything left in the tank, so why not take the hit and fill the roster spot with someone young who can do the job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGREENHULK Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 sometimes it is better to take your medicine and get rid of someone who will not contribute as long as the release fee is not enormously higher than keeping them. Jansen comes to mind. I just don't think he has anything left in the tank, so why not take the hit and fill the roster spot with someone young who can do the job? Yeah we keep Jansen and he hurts himself and goes on IR for the season. That would be just our luck..IMO He is done no explosion off the ball, no explosive drop step and set to reach the DE rushing off the edge that leaves JC steping up into a collapsing pocket due to the fact Rabach can't move anything that weighs more than 295lbs off the ball. IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 No need to clear the decks just yet. First priority will be to get under the cap for 2009 before March. I think we might see 2/3 minor contract restructures to get that done. If our cap position is worse than reported & we need to clear more space, probably Washington goes ( saves 4.5m ). Thereafter, the usual suspects are Taylor ( saves 8.5m ) Springs ( 6.0m ) Griff ( 3.5m ) Daniels ( 2.5m ) There's another 20m easy...but,you only need the space if you intend to spend some in FA. I'm not sure we will. So, why cut all these guys if you don't intend to spend. I think we try to get Taylor & Springs back for ~ 50% of the current cost max. If they refuse, we gotta grow some balls & cut them. Also, we may only cut these guys as & when ( if ) we sign someone. No point cutting 'everyone' if you can't sign anyone else. It could be one in, one out during FA. But, who the hell knows what we'll do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLRedskins Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 cut CERRATO please :notworthy:notworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie5 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I don't see them cutting Springs until they've resolved D. Hall and maybe even Carlos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 And what reason is there to think he can succeed there? Again, that would be a move typical of an organization that can't formulate a coherent plan. We're being "patient" we're building "thru the draft" and "for the future". But, let's have less cap room in that future so we can move an older, fading, broken down player to a position he's never played and see if we can squeeze 1 or 2 more years of mediocrity out of him there. The guy is still strong Hey if he shows no promise in camp then cut him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 i have no problem cutting jansen and taking a bit of a hit. rather spread it out over a few years of taking hits for certain players. Hes washed up and crappy, he hasnt been good since betts cute run in december of 06. hes been abysmal in preseasons 07 and 08, he missed all of 07, and he sucked in 08. no reason to think a 30+ player that has been declining for almost 3 seasons is gonna somehow play well. draft an OT and put him in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recent Vintage Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 And what reason is there to think he can succeed there? Again, that would be a move typical of an organization that can't formulate a coherent plan. We're being "patient" we're building "thru the draft" and "for the future". But, let's have less cap room in that future so we can move an older, fading, broken down player to a position he's never played and see if we can squeeze 1 or 2 more years of mediocrity out of him there. Costs more to cut him than keep him, and you can't even pretend that Fabini is a better backup. Unless we draft 3 Olineman, I don't see a reason that we need to cut him this year. He can back up center, RT, and probably RG as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxpunk2006 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Costs more to cut him than keep him, and you can't even pretend that Fabini is a better backup. Unless we draft 3 Olineman, I don't see a reason that we need to cut him this year. He can back up center, RT, and probably RG as well. It may cost more this year but it saves money next year. Sometimes it's helpful to think a year or two ahead. While he can backup C, RT, and RG, so can I, that doesn't mean I'd be any good at it. We've seen Jansen decline for multiple years. As a spot starter he may be able to perform, but coming off the bench for 3-4 game stretches is dangerous. His body wears down and he doesn't perform the way he needs to. If we thought we could make a run at a SB I'd agree with you but I think we're closer to a rebuilding year than a SB one. We could likely get similar performance from a younger player with upside especially if we plan to target a OT in the draft. I've been a big Jansen fan. He was a hell of a player before the injuries and he's always been a great guy. That being said his days are numbered and the less of them we see the better off this team will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Instead of cutting a bunch of guys I would like to seem some redo their contractsMove Springs to FS and add4 or 4 years to his deal Washington should redo his deal based on playing time Daniels I would resign as he can play both DE and DT I would only cut Griff if we can not get a great DT Only problem I have with this is, you are extending guys who are old. We essentially have to keep Jansen and Thomas because of their contracts. We need to stop extending guys who are past their prime and just make the cuts already. Like a Band-aid, just rip it off, it hurts less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Only problem I have with this is, you are extending guys who are old. We essentially have to keep Jansen and Thomas because of their contracts. We need to stop extending guys who are past their prime and just make the cuts already. Like a Band-aid, just rip it off, it hurts less. If a guy keeps himself in good shape and is willing to come in as a back up as his career winds down and will help the team by redoing his contract then I see no need to get rid of guy. Take some one like Taylor who is due to make 8.5 but is not the top guy anymore but a specialist with like 3 good years in him as a blitzing end and a backup you resign him at 9 million over 3 years you save 5 million this year and you have a guy you can plug in when you need him. You do the same with Springs a guy you can move between S and CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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