Dark Acre Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 ESPN is saying that if Ward wins a 2nd SB ring, he should be in the HOF. Read the article which is on the front page at espn.com They're going off on how Ward plays on a run-first team, yadda yadda. Gimme a break. Sure, he has to contend with a strong running game, but what great WRs has he played with? Gary Clark? Ricky Sanders? Charlie Brown? He also plays in the hands-off era, so it's not like the 80's. Ward's a good WR, but HOF? Seniors committee. It's going to be a major middle finger to both Monk and the Skins if he gets in anytime soon after retiring (or is that the idea?) And by the way, Monk was a major player on 4 SB teams, 3 of whom were winners (I'm referring to the regular season as Art kept sitting on his rabbit's foot every New Year's Eve.) Ward has contributed to how many SB teams? Two now. Go for 4 dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C26 Run Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I whole-heartedly agree with everything you posted. But I think what cost Art Monk so much time is because he wasn't media savy like Hines Ward. Ward will chat-up the sports media anytime he can, but Monk let his play do the talking. That's the difference between them. :helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHALEN Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 . Ward will chat-up the sports media anytime he can, but Monk let his play do the talking. That's the difference between them. :helmet: Don't sell Ward short yes he talks to the media more but the man does come to play on sunday.He's a complete reciever that dosent mind laying a vicious block on defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C26 Run Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Don't sell Ward short yes he talks to the media more but the man does come to play on sunday.He's a complete reciever that dosent mind laying a vicious block on defenders. Oh definitely I wasn't trying to minimize his impact to the Steelers. I'm just explaining why he would get in faster than Monk did. Ward is a great blocker and a good receiver no doubt about that. :helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsWarrior81 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 When you think of the greatest receivers of all time... Hines Ward is not even in the conversation. The HoF is for the greatest ever... not for the pretty decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 hes got 5 1000 yard seasons, doesnt even have 80 TDs yet, and hes been playing in an era with guys like TO, chad johnson, randy moss, marvin harrison, torry holt, and issac bruce. hell, donald driver has more 1000 yard seasons than hines ward. only reason ward will get in is cause hes on the steelers, who are media darlings. hes a very good receivers, but im sure most people outside of Pittsburgh dont think hes hall worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DButz65 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 That ludacris people think he will get in, sure hes a good receiver , but not HOF worthy imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Wow.. that's shocking.. Yeah he's good. But honestly he shouldn't even be sniffing the HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Colin Cowherd uses this litmus test. If you can say in one sentence what he's known for "Best _______ ever." Then he can go in. In this case the only thing I can put down is that he might be the "Hardest Blocking WR ever." and I don't know if you put a WR into the HOF for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rdskn4Lyf21 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 When you think of the greatest receivers of all time... Hines Ward is not even in the conversation.The HoF is for the greatest ever... not for the pretty decent. People seem to forget that. There are so many greats that are still on the outside looking in. Those are the guys that need to be getting in..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I don't think Ward is HOF material at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Sorry Ward should NOT get in before Clark. Part of me feels that Monk shouldn't have gotten in before Clark, but I let that issue rest because I believe Monk deserves to get in. But Clark was a much more complete WR than Ward is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodus333 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Its not really a fair comparison at all because Monk was SOOOOOOOOOOOO overdue it was kind of an embarrassment. It should never have taken that long for him. But yeah, definitley not before Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooley4President Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Ward should not even be in consideration. Sure it's fun for the media to talk about because it's Super Bowl week and they already exhausted the overblown "Warner for the HOF" angle last week. So this week it's Ward. Even if he made the ballot there will be LOADS of other receivers with far better numbers and resumes than him. No. Chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhouse Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 My buddy and I had this conversation a month ago. I said it then and I'll say it again, Ward is not HOF worthy. Good receiver & plays hard but he's can't possibly stack up to others in the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 What are his statistics, I don't really think of Hines Ward as HOF caliber. BTW, someone should send his statistics to the Steelers and mention the same thing that the thread starter said. This statement by espn really pisses me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 hes got 5 1000 yard seasons, doesnt even have 80 TDs yet, and hes been playing in an era with guys like TO, chad johnson, randy moss, marvin harrison, torry holt, and issac bruce. hell, donald driver has more 1000 yard seasons than hines ward.only reason ward will get in is cause hes on the steelers, who are media darlings. hes a very good receivers, but im sure most people outside of Pittsburgh dont think hes hall worthy. I agree. As many of Monk's incorrectly put it, it's not the Hall of Very Good. Ward is an excellent player, but I don't know if he's a Hall of Fame type player. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible_Red40 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Ward should wait forever. Not HOF material at all IMO. Maybe they can use his Receiving average which is a full yard less then Monks, and say all he did was 7 yard hooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panel Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Ward will not get in easily, he may get in eventually, but not right away, he has to go up against a lot of other big name WRs. Just think of all the people playing right now that should go in ahead of him. Moss, TO, Issac Bruce, Torry Holt, ect. He may get in, but it will be very tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Well if Hines Ward plays for 3 more seasons at his current pace he will have eclipsed Art Monk's numbers...hey just might have a shot even though it pains me to say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Well if Hines Ward plays for 3 more seasons at his current pace he will have eclipsed Art Monk's numbers...hey just might have a shot even though it pains me to say it. different time in a pass happy league....he may have somthing of an argument about being on a running team, but like I said he doesn't get in before Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 different time in a pass happy league....he may have somthing of an argument about being on a running team, but like I said he doesn't get in before Clark. IMO he will get in before Clark because they will use the argument of him being a better all around WR..Clark is gonna get caught up with the most recent retirees and the future retirees. His only option will probably be the Vets committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 IMO he will get in before Clark because they will use the argument of him being a better all around WR..Clark is gonna get caught up with the most recent retirees and the future retirees. His only option will probably be the Vets committee. Nah, Clark's stats compare with today's WRs. He has similar stats to Irvin. In fact he beats Irvin in many categories. Then I'd like to hear the argument that Ward is a better all around WR than Clark. Clark could block, go over the middle, go deep, run a reverse, get highlight plays, or the third down catch, run over a LB or Safety. The dude was GREAT!!!! Too bad he was there with Monk, who broke that Largent record and was seen as the number 1 reciever. But if Monk was #1, Clark was 1a. Clark is a HOF WR!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 they already exhausted the overblown "Warner for the HOF" angle last week. . I'm still shocked by this one. I can't see how 2 or 3 good seasons should land Warner in the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Nah, Clark's stats compare with today's WRs. He has similar stats to Irvin. In fact he beats Irvin in many categories. Then I'd like to hear the argument that Ward is a better all around WR than Clark. Clark could block, go over the middle, go deep, run a reverse, get highlight plays, or the third down catch, run over a LB or Safety. The dude was GREAT!!!!Too bad he was there with Monk, who broke that Largent record and was seen as the number 1 reciever. But if Monk was #1, Clark was 1a. Clark is a HOF WR!!!!!!! Don't get me wrong I totally believe that Clark is a HOF WR...the sad part is the selection process and the media love. Ward gets all of the love and will probably join the media soon after retiring that will cement his chances of getting in while Clark will get passed by.Clark is competing with Carter and Reed. While I believe Carter will be first and Reed next after that he will probably get stiffed until the some current WR's are eligible. Than he will run out of chances by the current process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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