AsburySkinsFan Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 you're asking me to believe in an all powerful being when there is no scientific proof to back it up Be honest for a second...do you only believe everything that you have scientific proof of? I wonder how many things you believe because someone told you that they have the answer...do you ever bother to check their data or are you just taking their word for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Here are a few questions I've always wondered about (no need to make a new thread, I think): 1) Is it possible to believe that there was a "purpose" behind the creation of the universe without believing there is a God? 2) Can something end that does not have a beginning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I used to think "Life in the fast lane" by the Eagles was "Wiping the vaseline" :doh:...Ok, old joke lol... :cool: There was a Tailgate thread years ago about song lyrics that you mis-heard. For years I'd heard "There's a bathroom on the right". (Bad Moon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnLockesGhost Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 So it is "per se" not "per say" lol. I owe my sister a dollar. :doh: It's Latin for "by itself". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 There was a Tailgate thread years ago about song lyrics that you mis-heard. For years I'd heard "There's a bathroom on the right". (Bad Moon). :rotflmao: I used to think Paul Young was singing "Everytime you go away/You take a piece of meat with you" lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnLockesGhost Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 There was a Tailgate thread years ago about song lyrics that you mis-heard. For years I'd heard "There's a bathroom on the right". (Bad Moon). "Excuse me, while I kiss this guy." - Jimi Hendrix, Purple Haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chow184 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Be honest for a second...do you only believe everything that you have scientific proof of? I wonder how many things you believe because someone told you that they have the answer...do you ever bother to check their data or are you just taking their word for it? is there 1 god are there 20 gods? is god alive?is he dead? does god even exhist? the fact you can't provide concrete information besides your own faith inspired by a book is not good enough. I do however believe science can't explain why life happened. it can explain the processes of life but it can't explain why it occurred. football injury terms on my view of life belief in a higher being-questionable, it's possible but a christian GOD seems highly unrealistic. belief in religion-OUT,I believe religion was created as a tool by man to control man,and to give people a set of common rules of decency to live by. how many times in history have wars been over religion and power?take away natural causes and religion is the #1 killer in human history . religion has some good life virtues,but asides from that it's been used to instigate death and destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 the fact you can't provide concrete information besides your own faith inspired by a book is not good enough. Your problem, actually, is that you are using the wrong standard. Science is a tool, but it is not useful for everything. For example, please construct a repeatable trial that proves that Abraham Lincoln was the President during the Civil War. Oh sure, science can help around the edges (dating artifacts and such), but ultimately, that's a matter of history, not science. Likewise, the existence of God is properly a matter of philosophy, not science. For one thing, God (should He exist) by His very nature transcends (and is the cause of) science. It would be impossible to create a test that would find Him, especially if He doesn't want to be found (not out of the realm of possibility). Philosophy, on the other hand, has quite a lot to say about the existence of God, and I would argue there are substantially good reasons (not just faith) to believe in His existence. In this relam too, actually, science can help (pointing to the status of the creation of the universe, telling us that certain documents are a certain age, and so on). it just can't (and shouldn't) be the primary tool. It's not the right one. Only believing things that can be proven by science is self-defeating anyway. Please observe: Premise: Only things that can be proven by science should be believed. Simple enough, right? Okay, now construct a repeatable trial that proves that this premise is true, so that we can believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I can see the wisdom in not wanting to know, but human instinct gets the best of me. Tell me more. I'm an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redd Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I'd be an idiot imo if I didn't at least listen to this so called proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I can see the wisdom in not wanting to know, but human instinct gets the best of me.Tell me more. I'm an idiot. I'd be an idiot imo if I didn't at least listen to this so called proof. You guys missed the point. He's not saying he actually has proof. He just used that as a hook for the question, that if he did, would you want to know? *EDIT* And reading further, I may have missed your point. Oops. *EDIT 2* If your point was that you'd want to know, which is what the poll was asking, and not that you're actually asking for the proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I believe the POINT of this entire thread is "Faith" would be ended due to "Proof". Said proof would be a billion year old tiny blue alien type swooping in as you have done at the end of this thread without reading it and slamming everyone. Not a carbon dating of a piece of wood from a mountain in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I believe the POINT of this entire thread is "Faith" would be ended due to "Proof". No, actually, I don't think it is. The question in the OP is pretty specifically, whether or not we'd want to know if he could prove God doesn't exist. Maybe faith would be ended by proof to the contrary, but I think that's what he's trying to find out, not assuming as a starting point. Said proof would be a billion year old tiny blue alien type swooping in as you have done at the end of this thread without reading it and slamming everyone. I "slammed" no one. I was merely trying to clarify what the point of this thread, as I saw it, was. Further, I not only participated earlier, but I can assure you, I did indeed read the entire thing very carefully, as one might suspect given my activities here. Further, at most I "slammed" two people, not everyone. What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I have been thinking about coming back into the fold (Catholicims)after 7 years as an atheist. Its a strange feeling though, a hope is all. I don't feel guilt or shame, really, I feel I've suffered enough. I don't agree with alot of the Church's teachings. And the punishment/reward thing doesn't do it for me. So I don't even know. Something to hold onto maybe. It would be hard to explain to people. Like the secular Jews with Israel (the ones that aren't Israeli citizens anyway). It may not be entirely rational, but no one is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NawtyMagazine Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I dont believe they're is a guy floating on a cloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I dont believe they're is a guy floating on a cloud But do you believe there's a God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NawtyMagazine Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 But do you believe there's a God? multiple gods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 multiple gods And none of them floating on clouds, I assume lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NawtyMagazine Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 And none of them floating on clouds, I assume lol maybe the god of clouds, but another god includes, the god of hockey, Alex Ovechkin, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 maybe the god of clouds, but another god includes, the god of hockey, Alex Ovechkin, lol I find your beliefs fascinating. tell me more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NawtyMagazine Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I find your beliefs fascinating. tell me more. in the new edition of the bible it will tell you everything....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Poll (thread) would be a lot more interesting if it was more neutral, and wasn't "leading" in one direction. Better Question: What if I could give you 100% conclusive evidence about the existence of god (one way or the other) would you take it? then the discussion would be on WHY? (because I assume almost everyone would... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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