BigMike619 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Okay.Nazi stuff is one of my buttons. I find that subject hard to joke about on any level. see, its NOT one of my hot buttons but I know it is so I dont joke about it. You never know if the person you are making the joke towards is offended by it so unless you are just outright looking for a fight then its smart to just stay away from sensitive stuff like that. Penis drawings though, who can get offended by that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 I heard about these pictures. It was a prank gone bad. However to clarify, the swastika was not always a symbol of hate. It is still common in Indonesia. This is true, but it is extremely unlikely that she knew that or meant that. To the Western world that symbol has been forever co-opted. It actually is a very nice bhuddist (I think it's bhuddist) symbol, but I don't think many can see a Swastika and not think Nazi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 I'm sorry, what were we talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 I heard about these pictures. It was a prank gone bad. However to clarify, the swastika was not always a symbol of hate. It is still common in Indonesia. Yes, but in Asian countries like China, India or Indonesia, it's a religious symbol, whereas in the West, it is an anti-semitic symbol. Judging from Caitlin's picture, she doesn't look too Asian to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 One of my girlfriends tried out for the Redskinnettes once. They had VERY strict rules about maintaining a certain image of wholesomeness and cheerleadery goodness in public. I don't think drawing on a drunk friend is a big deal. Putting it on facebook, though, makes it public, and if the NE Cheerleaders had the same rules the Redskinnettes did, she's an idiot for posting them. And her dismissal shouldn't come as a big surprise. If you know the rules when you sign up, and you don't follow them, you can't complain when you get in trouble. And yeah, the swastika for me is kind of a big deal too. I don't think what it represents to most of the western world is funny in any context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 lets be honest though; its not like she got paid a grip to be a cheerleader. so these "standards" they expect you to live up to are nonsense. You dont pay me more then 75 bucks a game you get what you pay for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dictator Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Nazi's are not the only people that have used, or STILL us the symbol. Actually they are. The Indian swastika is a mirror image of the ones the Nazi's use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 lets be honest though; its not like she got paid a grip to be a cheerleader. so these "standards" they expect you to live up to are nonsense. You dont pay me more then 75 bucks a game you get what you pay for. Hey, that's you. If she agreed to the terms of her employment, and then broke them, I'm not shedding too many tears over any of this. If she thought it was a bad deal she didn't have to be a cheerleader in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 I just noticed that on the guy's arm they wrote "I'm Jewish." And there's a Star of David on his shoulder. I wonder if that was meant to be a compliment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Hey, that's you.If she agreed to the terms of her employment, and then broke them, I'm not shedding too many tears over any of this. If she thought it was a bad deal she didn't have to be a cheerleader in the first place. hey this IS me, congrats for noticing that. And I said that THEY shouldnt expect too much from a day laborer who gets paid crap. YOU dont like it obviously and thats fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 hey this IS me, congrats for noticing that. And I said that THEY shouldnt expect too much from a day laborer who gets paid crap. Why not? There are hundreds of cheerleaders in professional sports that don't get caught doing stuff like this. If it were such a terrible burden you'd think it would be tougher to find cheerleaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Why not? There are hundreds of cheerleaders in professional sports that don't get caught doing stuff like this. If it were such a terrible burden you'd think it would be tougher to find cheerleaders. and if they wanted to make sure they took more pride in the position they could pay them more. Im done arguing with you though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Sounds about par for the course in Boston, probably one of the most racist cities in the United States. Just kidding. Not really. The Patriots did the right thing here. Nothing funny or appropriate at all about swastikas, in any context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 hey this IS me, congrats for noticing that. And I said that THEY shouldnt expect too much from a day laborer who gets paid crap. I'd agree if other 'day laborers' like her were doing flat out stupid things like this. You'd have to be an absolute brain dead moron to not realize that something you post on the internet has the ability to come back and bite you. But since it seems to just be her with this problem, so she's obviously just too stupid for even the challenging world of professional cheerleading. It makes me wonder what other skill sets this genius has to get her through life. :moon::hump: ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 and if they wanted to make sure they took more pride in the position they could pay them more.Im done arguing with you though. Being a cheerleader is less about direct pay and more about perks and career advancement. They don't do it for the money, that's irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 I'd agree if other 'day laborers' like her were doing flat out stupid things like this.You'd have to be an absolute brain dead moron to not realize that something you post on the internet has the ability to come back and bite you. But since it seems to just be her with this problem, so she's obviously just too stupid for even the challenging world of professional cheerleading. It makes me wonder what other skill sets this genius has to get her through life. :moon::hump: ~Bang christy cooley dating chris was against the rules. the carolina panther cheerleaders who got arrested. look, they arent rocket scientists and they dont get paid jack **** to have any "pride". there is NO job security when making those teams and they have to go thru it all over again the very next season. seems to me like theyre just pretty yet dumb girls who can shake that ass and thats what theyre paid for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Being a cheerleader is less about direct pay and more about perks and career advancement. They don't do it for the money, that's irrelevant. thats your opinion. and you are welcome to it. but i think if you want someone to live up to your job standards you should make it worth it to them. you pay me 5 bucks an hour you are going to get a guy who does just enough to get by. you pay me 25 an hour and you are going to get someone who not only does the best he can but helps to bring those up around him to do their best too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 thats your opinion. and you are welcome to it. but i think if you want someone to live up to your job standards you should make it worth it to them. you pay me 5 bucks an hour you are going to get a guy who does just enough to get by. you pay me 25 an hour and you are going to get someone who not only does the best he can but helps to bring those up around him to do their best too. Why do you suppose that hundreds of the cities most beautiful women and best dancers compete so fiercely for these positions? For the money? Really? Pay is one small part of compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Why do you suppose that hundreds of the cities most beautiful women and best dancers compete so fiercely for these positions? For the money? Really?Pay is one small part of compensation. blind luck? good genes? i dont know the inner workings of the modern NFL cheerleader but I do know that more pay = more committment. But hey, if you have some inside scoop as to why they behave better then other people please enlighten me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dictator Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 blind luck?good genes? i dont know the inner workings of the modern NFL cheerleader but I do know that more pay = more committment. But hey, if you have some inside scoop as to why they behave better then other people please enlighten me. The fact that these women try out, year after year after year, KNOWING what their compensation is going to be should tell you a little something dont you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 The fact that these women try out, year after year after year, KNOWING what their compensation is going to be should tell you a little something dont you think? I get that it looks good on a resume. I am just saying if you wanted to get more dedication that more money is a better way of doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dictator Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 I get that it looks good on a resume. I am just saying if you wanted to get more dedication that more money is a better way of doing that. But here's the kicker....these girls don't do it for the compensation. So that's not going to change anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuraitengai Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 looks like her friend is expecting a nice surprise from the dude behind her. id hit them. :applause: then really hit them for the not cool stuff they drew. :mad: then hit them both again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 But here's the kicker....these girls don't do it for the compensation. So that's not going to change anything. I dont see how not upping their pay is not going to help them remember the image the team wants them to represent. But I see your side as I hope you see mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 The presumption that these girls are dumb ass shakers is mostly inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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