Brennan skeptics: I want to hear from you!

[AKM311]

He was a monster against the back ups of a team not known for a great D that had nothing to play for.

Championship!

I hope someone takes a look at the players Brennan faced against the Colts, and at the end of the season see how many of them make the Colts.

Would be interesting to see that number.

[KDawg]

There was one play in particular where Brennan COMPLETELY MISSED a wide open wide receiver, proceeded to run around a bit, then throw it to that same receiver (Mason) for a touchdown. It took him a good 3-5 seconds to make the decision, and luckily the Colts never covered him.

I agree. He still needs work. He looked good and played well, but that doesn't tell the whole picture. He was a little slow with his reads... He's a rookie. That is going to happen.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

Why don't we just go ahead and rename the stadium Brennan Field?

According the AP writer on Yahoo Sports CB was the only one who did anything in the game. He's mentioned in the first paragraph and JC's not even mentioned until almost the end of the article.

Quote from the article

"Aside from Brennan, it wasn’t pretty."

In that case we might as well cut Brennan right now, because the highlights on NFL Network didn't show one play of Colt's, but did show Campbell's TD to ARE. In fact, they didn't show any highlights from the second half at all, and showed an overwhelming number of Colts highlights...so going by what the press gives us we should look at this first preseason game as an utter failure and a loss lol...

[Koolblue13]

I hope someone takes a look at the players Brennan faced against the Colts, and at the end of the season see how many of them make the Colts.

Would be interesting to see that number.

I'm not trying to knock the guy, he did play well, but that was not an NFL game he played in.

[Spitfire71]

What is hilarious about your initial post is the fact that all you did was mention his stats. You offered no insight to what you saw to make you think the way you did. So many you need to calrify your stance.

Also do you realize you were 14 when you could first watch Brennan even play? I don't think you even knew who he was back then. So please stop jumping all over him like your an expert about him. OldSkool has his opinion and you have yours.

So you're citing my age and assuming a lack of intelligence? You're right, I didn't know who Brennan was until 2006 - the season he just happened to throw 58 touchdowns - and I've followed his career ever since. The fact that you mentioned my age tells me that you're trying to pull rank because you're 26, and the funny thing was, I wasn't even talking to you. I called out OldSkool specifically because it's obvious that he was looking at some different game than I looked at. During the game I looked at, Colt Brennan went 9-10 for 123 yards, 2 TDs, and 0 Picks. During the game that I looked at, all but one of his throws was not only complete, but right on the money. During the game I looked at, there were only one or two plays where I felt Colt held on to the ball too long and should have gotten rid of it. During the game I looked at, he was solid throughout and every bit as good as the numbers he was playing say he was. Nobody had to make any trick, Randy Moss-like catches to bring his passes down. Nobody had to fight a defender for the ball. Brennan didn't get his balls batted down, either at the line, or by defensive backs.

I'm just trying to find out from people if they were watching the same game I was watching last night.

Because in the game I was watching, Brennan looked solid at worst, and a hell of a lot better than you'd expect a 6th-round rookie to look like on national television. You've gotta realize. Anyone that was bothering to try to get a football fix at all was looking at that game, because there weren't any other football games to look at. The HOF game was the only game that happened last night. That's bigger than Hawaii, who has a lot of fans, but is also about an 8-hour time difference and doesn't get noticed a whole lot from football fans on the East Coast.

[RedskinNutt]

I'm the author of the "happy feet" reference, and while he was very impressive in his first, I'm no where close to annointing him the second coming of Jurgensen.

He had great presence out there, and had a decent swagger. Laufenberg had the same look and feel (though not resume), so I'd like to see more of him, because heaven forbid he plays poorly in the next game, then it'll be threads going to other direction.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

I'm not trying to knock the guy, he did play well, but that was not an NFL game he played in.

Preseason games are the time to see if progress is being made and talents are being honed to a professional level. I think we saw some encouraging things from Brennan in both areas (as I'm guessing you did, too).

But we need to stop acting like the Colts yanked people from the stands to play defense for them in the 2nd half while Brennan played behind the 1985 Hogs and threw to Jerry Rice lol...

[RocketCitySkins]

In that case we might as well cut Brennan right now, because the highlights on NFL Network didn't show one play of Colt's, but did show Campbell's TD to ARE. In fact, they didn't show any highlights from the second half at all, and showed an overwhelming number of Colts highlights...so going by what the press gives us we should look at this first preseason game as an utter failure and a loss lol...

Not the highlights I watched. But I can't get it play now. The one with Jason Taylor's picture.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d809b832b

[Califan007 The Constipated]

I'm the author of the "happy feet" reference, and while he was very impressive in his first, I'm no where close to annointing him the second coming of Jurgensen.

I could be wrong, but I don't think the thread starter asked what would it take to make you annoint Colt Brennan as the next Sonny Jurgensen lol ...

He had great presence out there, and had a decent swagger. Laufenberg had the same look and feel (though not resume), so I'd like to see more of him, because heaven forbid he plays poorly in the next game, then it'll be threads going to other direction.

Ain't that the truth lol :laugh:...

[Spitfire71]

I'm the author of the "happy feet" reference, and while he was very impressive in his first, I'm no where close to annointing him the second coming of Jurgensen.

He had great presence out there, and had a decent swagger. Laufenberg had the same look and feel (though not resume), so I'd like to see more of him, because heaven forbid he plays poorly in the next game, then it'll be threads going to other direction.

Collins looked lost out there. Maybe Zorn needs to give Brennan some time against the 2nd-stringers or put him in the game sooner. You've given the kid a small challenge. He didn't just go in there and manage. He played football like he was trying to win that game. What I liked most was the attitude. You're a rookie, the game doesn't count, and you're out there TRYING to win the game. And essentially, he did - after Collins brought our offense to a screeching halt and almost dropped it for us. Brennan threw the game-tying and go-ahead touchdown. Yes, I'm very much aware that very few of the guys he was playing against will make the roster of the Colts this season - but the same could be said of most of the guys that he was throwing to. Those weren't guys that were going to make one-handed catches or bring down a jump ball in double coverage - and plays like that tend to cover up a quarterback's miscues. Brennan, working with 3rd-string receivers, didn't have that luxury.

[AKM311]

I'm not trying to knock the guy, he did play well, but that was not an NFL game he played in.

I agree. I am not trying to knock him either, just trying to keep things in perspective.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

Not the highlights I watched. But I can't get it play now. The one with Jason Taylor's picture.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d809b832b

Exactly...it only lasts 2:40 minutes long, and the Skins highlights stopped after 48 seconds. The rest was Colts highlights. At the 2:15 mark the commentator says "However, in the second half Jim Zorn had plenty of reason to smile. The Redskins come out with a victory...", and then they show the score lol...

[Spitfire71]

Preseason games are the time to see if progress is being made and talents are being honed to a professional level. I think we saw some encouraging things from Brennan in both areas (as I'm guessing you did, too).

But we need to stop acting like the Colts yanked people from the stands to play defense for them in the 2nd half while Brennan played behind the 1985 Hogs and threw to Jerry Rice lol...

:applause: :notworthy :applause:

[RedskinsInFebruary]

I hope someone takes a look at the players Brennan faced against the Colts, and at the end of the season see how many of them make the Colts.

Would be interesting to see that number.

By then it won't be "interesting" anymore since you'll have so much more to go by about Brennan's performance directly.

[AKM311]

So you're citing my age and assuming a lack of intelligence? You're right, I didn't know who Brennan was until 2006 - the season he just happened to throw 58 touchdowns - and I've followed his career ever since. The fact that you mentioned my age tells me that you're trying to pull rank because you're 26, and the funny thing was, I wasn't even talking to you. I called out OldSkool specifically because it's obvious that he was looking at some different game than I looked at. During the game I looked at, Colt Brennan went 9-10 for 123 yards, 2 TDs, and 0 Picks. During the game that I looked at, all but one of his throws was not only complete, but right on the money. During the game I looked at, there were only one or two plays where I felt Colt held on to the ball too long and should have gotten rid of it. During the game I looked at, he was solid throughout and every bit as good as the numbers he was playing say he was. Nobody had to make any trick, Randy Moss-like catches to bring his passes down. Nobody had to fight a defender for the ball. Brennan didn't get his balls batted down, either at the line, or by defensive backs.

I'm just trying to find out from people if they were watching the same game I was watching last night.

Because in the game I was watching, Brennan looked solid at worst, and a hell of a lot better than you'd expect a 6th-round rookie to look like on national television. You've gotta realize. Anyone that was bothering to try to get a football fix at all was looking at that game, because there weren't any other football games to look at. The HOF game was the only game that happened last night. That's bigger than Hawaii, who has a lot of fans, but is also about an 8-hour time difference and doesn't get noticed a whole lot from football fans on the East Coast.

Not using my age to put me above you. My point about the post was your attacking OldSkool for not giving you a more in depth analysis, when you offered none yourself.

In this post you offered everything you believe you saw that lead you to your opinion. Which to me is what these message boards are all about. We all were 18 at one point, but I just can't stand posters who attack, but don't offer opinions.

Also my point is when you are crediting Brennan for his impressive performance, I just think you have to keep things in perspective. Remember Spurriers years in Osaka? Great performance did not translate to anything in the NFL. Let's analyze the game performance and not the stats.

I think you bring up some very good points and I think we all saw that. But the guy is still very raw and it showed in his pocket presence.

[MoneySkinsFan]

Exactly...it only lasts 2:40 minutes long, and the Skins highlights stopped after 48 seconds. The rest was Colts highlights. At the 2:15 mark the commentator says "However, in the second half Jim Zorn had plenty of reason to smile. The Redskins come out with a victory...", and then they show the score lol...

I saw that too. What a bunch of bs

[RocketCitySkins]

Exactly...it only lasts 2:40 minutes long, and the Skins highlights stopped after 48 seconds. The rest was Colts highlights. At the 2:15 mark the commentator says "However, in the second half Jim Zorn had plenty of reason to smile. The Redskins come out with a victory...", and then they show the score lol...

You're right about the NFL video. I downloaded my previous stream and on the main highlight video Colt wasn't shown. He does however have two separate videos on NFL.com so he is getting some love from them. I wasn't posting about NFL.com to begin with. It was the statement by the AP writer that got under my skin when he said the rest of the game besides Brennan wasn't pretty. So there.

[Spitfire71]

You're right about the NFL video. I downloaded my previous stream and on the main highlight video Colt wasn't shown. He does however have two separate videos on NFL.com so he is getting some love from them. I wasn't posting about NFL.com to begin with. It was the statement by the AP writer that got under my skin when he said the rest of the game besides Brennan wasn't pretty. So there.

Simple explanation for that - he got there late and missed Campbell's drive.

Let's admit it, the defense didn't play all that hot, but we had, what - four of next year's anticipated starters playing for one drive?

And then Collins...yeah, Collins didn't move the ball for us. Brennan had a few of the same targets that Collins had at that point. He must have, because we're short three receivers and Randle El and Moss had already been yanked from the game.

[Spitfire71]

Not using my age to put me above you. My point about the post was your attacking OldSkool for not giving you a more in depth analysis, when you offered none yourself.

In this post you offered everything you believe you saw that lead you to your opinion. Which to me is what these message boards are all about. We all were 18 at one point, but I just can't stand posters who attack, but don't offer opinions.

Also my point is when you are crediting Brennan for his impressive performance, I just think you have to keep things in perspective. Remember Spurriers years in Osaka? Great performance did not translate to anything in the NFL. Let's analyze the game performance and not the stats.

I think you bring up some very good points and I think we all saw that. But the guy is still very raw and it showed in his pocket presence.

Raw is exactly what you'd expect a rookie quarterback to look like. Of course, he's raw - but he's talented. That's where they get the phrase - er...raw talent.

He's got to be developed, and with Zorn - a QB specialist and a former QB himself - at the helm of our team, he will be developed. This looks better than Osaka because Zorn's the man for the job when it comes to QB development. Our QBs regressed under Spurrier because Spurrier's scheme forgot one important thing - protection.

But what Colt showed in that initial game, I feel - is that the talent is there. Do you think Tom Brady, Matt Hasselbeck, or Derek Anderson popped into the league looking like QBs that could lead teams to the playoffs? (I only use those three because they are three current quarterbacks who were all drafted in the 6th round. I'm not making any comparisons as far as greatness or even potential greatness are concerned.) I doubt it. Otherwise, teams wouldn't have waited until the 6th round. The more NFL-ready a QB is, the sooner you take him.

But Colt showed us that the talent and potential is there and that there's something to work with - which is more than can be said for the majority of QBs that have been drafted in the 6th round.

Oh, and something notable about that game - no passes out of the shotgun, so we haven't even seen CB's greatest strength yet.

[RocketCitySkins]

Simple explanation for that - he got there late and missed Campbell's drive.

Let's admit it, the defense didn't play all that hot, but we had, what - four of next year's anticipated starters playing for one drive?

And then Collins...yeah, Collins didn't move the ball for us. Brennan had a few of the same targets that Collins had at that point. He must have, because we're short three receivers and Randle El and Moss had already been yanked from the game.

I said in another thread that I was impressed with Colt last night. He didn't look nervous and was fairly well in control. All but a couple of his passes were very accurate. And he made plays after what seemed like the play would be dead. I just get annoyed at the "God-like" worship from this AP writer and a few of the fans here over 1 preseason game. :doh:

[Skinned]

I think what is important here is not to make an overall judgment about Colt and his rank among the QB's, but rather to acknowledge that the guy is a play maker. He has the ability to light up the scoreboard and move the ball. Sure he wasn't playing with 1st stringers, but that is just a ridiculous argument that gets used every year. The guys who are out there are scrapping for their NFL lives, so yes, they are trying. And more importantly, Colt showed the ability to put the ball exactly where the receiver, and only the receiver, could catch it.

We all knew he came from a system that was designed for points, but he proved that his skills are not just related to the system. He may never be all-pro, but he showed in his 1st appearance that he belongs and potentially deserves more looks. :2cents:

[AKM311]

Raw is exactly what you'd expect a rookie quarterback to look like. Of course, he's raw - but he's talented. That's where they get the phrase - er...raw talent.

He's got to be developed, and with Zorn - a QB specialist and a former QB himself - at the helm of our team, he will be developed. This looks better than Osaka because Zorn's the man for the job when it comes to QB development. Our QBs regressed under Spurrier because Spurrier's scheme forgot one important thing - protection.

But what Colt showed in that initial game, I feel - is that the talent is there. Do you think Tom Brady, Matt Hasselbeck, or Derek Anderson popped into the league looking like QBs that could lead teams to the playoffs? (I only use those three because they are three current quarterbacks who were all drafted in the 6th round. I'm not making any comparisons as far as greatness or even potential greatness are concerned.) I doubt it. Otherwise, teams wouldn't have waited until the 6th round. The more NFL-ready a QB is, the sooner you take him.

But Colt showed us that the talent and potential is there and that there's something to work with - which is more than can be said for the majority of QBs that have been drafted in the 6th round.

Oh, and something notable about that game - no passes out of the shotgun, so we haven't even seen CB's greatest strength yet.

Any player drafted has raw talent. Just keep things in perspective.

He can be developed, the question is will he. After 1 preseason game I highly doubt you can make that judgement. Not saying what we saw last night wasn't promising.

But let's keep things in perspective. He did well yest, lets just hope he keeps improving.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

You're right about the NFL video. I downloaded my previous stream and on the main highlight video Colt wasn't shown. He does however have two separate videos on NFL.com so he is getting some love from them. I wasn't posting about NFL.com to begin with. It was the statement by the AP writer that got under my skin when he said the rest of the game besides Brennan wasn't pretty. So there.

Oh, I was agreeing with you there lol :laugh:...I only added in my own observation to add to yours, kind of to bolster what you were saying

[tim5129]

I was a big hater of Colt Brennan at Hawaii because i thought they played a soft schedule and he was a system guy.He still might be a system guy but last night changed my mind about him!Go Colt

[Emoshag]

Honestly, my favorite moments of the game were sideline shots of the Skins.

And in half of them it was Colt Brennan congratulating another player, both offense and defense, for doing something awesome. The thing a lot of us never saw from him in college was his rapport with his team, but we read about it. And after seeing him bonding and congratulating veterans as a rookie I got the impression that he is already finding the ease in leading a veteran NFL team.

I hope that doesn't sound like a stretch. Some people are naturals at speaking in front of crowds. Some aren't. Some people are natural leaders. I think he has that. And the best kind of leadership cannot be taught or learned. And the reason that is important to me is we haven't had a vocal leader "I am this team" type of QB since Theismann. Maybe Williams. And yes, I include Jason in that sentiment.

Just my opinion, but I thought it funny when Al Michaels made the comment that he could feel the increase in energy level and tempo when he came in the game. Man, I can't wait till next game....