texasthunder Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 The Falcons have drafted Matt Ryann- And lets say that either Sedrick Ellis or Vernon Ghoston drop to #8 (Baltimore). Would you give up our 1st and 3rd pick to move up to #8 ? Or our 1st and 2nd to move up to #8 ? Or would you just stay pat and keep our original picks. And would either one be worth the big contract ? Watching both of them, they look pretty awesome, could really apply some pressure on the opposing QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walking Deadman Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Based on the draft value board (the one of Jimmy Johnson era) it would cost us more than our 1st 2nd and 3rd to move that high.....so pass. #8= 1,400 pts #21 (800) + 51 (390) + 84 (170) is still not enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Skins Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 The only thing I would do is trade up to 16 with the Cardinals if Harvey is available. The Cards have already said they would trade down, but only 5 spots. So I think there is a deal in place if Harvey or Albert fall to 16 for the skins. EDIT: I used the new draft value chart for this season http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/15/new-draft-trade-chart/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsMaster88 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 The only thing I would do is trade up to 16 with the Cardinals if Harvey is available. The Cards have already said they would trade down, but only 5 spots. So I think there is a deal in place if Harvey or Albert fall to 16 for the skins.EDIT: I used the new draft value chart for this season http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/15/new-draft-trade-chart/ I wouldn't mind that either. But, I'd prefer trading down to up in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustAfan47 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 to get VG yes and yes...i think that he is the best player on the D side of the ball coming out of the draft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moviedude25 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 No no no. Too many needs for this luxury. Trading away draft picks is great when you have one or two needs to fill (ala the Patriots) but a terrible idea when you have many holes to fill. No one in this entire draft is worth us giving up multiple picks this year to get. I can see giving up a pick next year and one this year to get a player but not 2 or more this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Skins Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 No no no. Too many needs for this luxury. Trading away draft picks is great when you have one or two needs to fill (ala the Patriots) but a terrible idea when you have many holes to fill. No one in this entire draft is worth us giving up multiple picks this year to get. I can see giving up a pick next year and one this year to get a player but not 2 or more this year. If you think the skins can fill 2 ol, a big wr, a 3rd string qb, 1-2 dl, an olb, a corner and safety all that will make the team for depth or in some cases make an impact in the next 2 years, you are mistaken my friend. For all these to be filled, the skins have to have literally a perfect draft and that won't happen. There are guys on the practice squad that can fill in some spot duty for some depth, and there will be UDFA's for depth as well. But if you can get a steal by trading up a few picks for a 2nd day pick than you pull the gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastes Like Chicken Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 We have too many needs, and your pick values are off. In either case, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasthunder Posted April 25, 2008 Author Share Posted April 25, 2008 Based on the draft value board (the one of Jimmy Johnson era) it would cost us more than our 1st 2nd and 3rd to move that high.....so pass.#8= 1,400 pts #21 (800) + 51 (390) + 84 (170) is still not enough Just curious about the draft value board- Is this hard and fast rules that all teams go by ?? Or is this just a guideline to base selection criteria on ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walking Deadman Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Just curious about the draft value board-Is this hard and fast rules that all teams go by ?? Or is this just a guideline to base selection criteria on ? It's a guide and in the past it was used pretty much by everybody. B/c of the crazy money paid to the higher 1st rounders, some teams (and media) have come up with other value boards that make the picks more accountable to contract paid out. However, looking at the chart I used (standard) and Skins2006 newer version...it would still cost us our 2008 1st, 2nd and 3rd (84th overall) to move to #8. That for the most part is the type of value Atlanta would generally expect for us to get from #21 to #8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 to get VG yes and yes...i think that he is the best player on the D side of the ball coming out of the draft... It's Dorsey. He is a rare player and has been dominant for two straight years. Ideally, the team would be able to get Harvey somehow. Whatever though, there are lots of good players in the second and third round. Groves is vastly underrated, he is incredible. I'm certain he will go in the first round. Miami really values him too. Don't be surprised if they trade back into the first in order to draft him. (Maybe with us?) Lawrence Jackson is great, I'd be happy with him. He had like 30 something sacks in his college career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 No. No reason to. Stand pat and fill the needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM916 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Only if it was a straight up swap, maybe for a pick next year. It's not worth it to move up unless you are getting a sure thing like Cooley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loxley Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 No I would rather not trade up for anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COWBOY-KILLA- Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 No way, I stand pat and pick one of B. Albert, C. Campbell, Merling, Kelly, Hardy, Sweed, in no particular order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 No, but Id move up to grab Brandon Albert... or the other Lineman that is projected to go before him, I forget his name.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubreyjn Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 to get vernon i would pull that trigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST is my boy Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 We have too many needs, and your pick values are off. In either case, no. Thank you for going back to that sig kind sir :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman#21 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Id move up for Long Gholston or Dorsey.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreen1 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 I'd rather Draft Campbell and stay pat. I feel with his size and raw ability, Greg Blatche can work wonders with this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jweisk1 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 There are many things to consider...the saints will probably move up to get Ellis it seems...Gholston is more of a DE/LB....he would fit a lot better in a 3-4 scheme...so even though he is very talented, I dont think he would fit into our D... If Albert/Harvey are there at 16 and we can grab them, might be tempting...more so Albert...but wouldnt give the kitchen sink for the guy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L30L Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 I'd take Merling or Campbell. Whoever is available from those two. Just as long as it's a DE, We need a DE badly. (I really doubt Harvey is there at 21 but if he is, then take him) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho fan Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Gholston is a beast and that would be a tough call especially if he dropped into the 10-15 range (which I doubt will happen). So unless that happend, I would probably say lets stay with the pick and take Merling or the best player available at 21. http://sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2008/03/2008-nfl-draft-preview-defensive-line.html Some good info on top Defensive Linemen. Check out the arms on Gholston! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmcthe2nd Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 I would not move up for anyone in the first round of this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsMaster88 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 I'd rather Draft Campbell and stay pat. I feel with his size and raw ability, Greg Blatche can work wonders with this guy. And Palermo has already proven to work wonders with him in 2006. Team MVP, 1st-team All-ACC, 20.5 tackles for loss, 10.5 sacks, 17 pressures, 3 forced fumbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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