skinfan2k Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 So we're the raiders? No, the trade value will be similiar. :doh:. Chad Johnson is similiar to what Randy Moss was coming out of Minnesota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 For all of you Chad Johnson haters...What makes you think we will have to give up a #1 or #2 to get Chad Johnson? Randy Moss...Oakland traded their 4th Round Pick to New England to get him... The market is different for WRs...and Chad & Rosenhaus will have difficulty making a case for #1 / #2 value...especially when he had a sub-par season. If he we can school him for a #3 or #4...DO IT. I love Santana...but you aren't winning a Super Bowl w/ Santana as the #1. You might say..."Where was Randy last night, in the Super Bowl?" Well...he was getting doubled...AND...he is the main reason Wes Welker had 11 receptions... Chad would open up Santana...ARE...and Cooley would finally be able to have one-on-one with a MLBs and OLBs... Miami got a 2nd rd pick for Welker and another 2nd rd pick for Chris Chambers. Plus you can't compare this to the Moss situation. Moss had bascially quit on Oakland. Plus people were saying he'd lost a step. The only way that trade would work is if Moss took a huge pay cut (which he did) in exchange for FA after the '07 season. So the Pats traded a 4th for a 1-yr rental. Chad Johnson's still rather young, highly productive and he's got 4 years left on his current contract (although I'm sure he'd get a new deal in a trade anyway). Plus with the success Moss had, the market value for a top flight WR will go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Let me ask you this - do you think you can get similar / better talent in the 1st or 2nd round? Guaranteed talent vs. Dr. I don't know? But that draftee wouldn't be 30 years old or be getting paid 6 mil a year (which is admittedly not unreasonable for a player of his stature, but he also will likely seek a raise if traded). I'm not necessarily saying we shouldn't consider trading for him, but there is a lot more that goes into trades and trade values than "is he probably going to be better than the draft pick we're giving up?" no matter how often people try to make it that simple. No one in the world thought Randy Moss was going to be worse than the average 4th round pick, or Willis McGahee worse than the average 3rd round pick, but there's a reason that's what their trade value ended up being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I don't agree that CJ had a subpar season last year but I do still agree that the Bengals, should they try and deal him, will have a hard time getting anything better than a 3rd for him. I think the league is slowly waking up to giving up too much for WR's and RB's. If we can get CJ for a 3rd rounder then I say pull the trigger. Put CJ and ARE as the wideouts, use Moss like Welker and voila. However this is one of those dream scenarios that won't happen so I don't know why I'm typing it but I've already written this much so there's no going back. Moss would be sick as the slot man. He'd have to be out there almost every down though and Jason would have to develop big time. My problem with Chad isn't the draft pick. It's the fact that he'd get a mega money contract and we need to save our cap for talent that'll actually be here in 4 and 5 years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afrocentric Pak Man Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 For all of you Chad Johnson haters...What makes you think we will have to give up a #1 or #2 to get Chad Johnson? Randy Moss...Oakland traded their 4th Round Pick to New England to get him... The market is different for WRs...and Chad & Rosenhaus will have difficulty making a case for #1 / #2 value...especially when he had a sub-par season. If he we can school him for a #3 or #4...DO IT. I love Santana...but you aren't winning a Super Bowl w/ Santana as the #1. You might say..."Where was Randy last night, in the Super Bowl?" Well...he was getting doubled...AND...he is the main reason Wes Welker had 11 receptions... Chad would open up Santana...ARE...and Cooley would finally be able to have one-on-one with a MLBs and OLBs... Dont use the 4th rounder for Moss arguement. The first time he was traded was during a season in which he had 800 yards and 13 touchdowns and the Raiders gave up 2 1st rounders and Napoleon Harris. Johnson would definately require a first rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 We can't close our minds on trading draft picks. If the Patriorts had done that they wouldn't have Randy Moss. Always keep an open mind about possible moves. Uh..... that's because the Patriots were completely stacked at every other position. Randy Moss was such a pain to the Raiders they were just happy to get rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I don't agree that CJ had a subpar season last year but I do still agree that the Bengals, should they try and deal him, will have a hard time getting anything better than a 3rd for him. I think the league is slowly waking up to giving up too much for WR's and RB's. If we can get CJ for a 3rd rounder then I say pull the trigger. Put CJ and ARE as the wideouts, use Moss like Welker and voila. However this is one of those dream scenarios that won't happen so I don't know why I'm typing it but I've already written this much so there's no going back.\If CJ is there you have to pull the trigger for a third rounder. He is definately better than whoever we get in the third round if we went WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Dont use the 4th rounder for Moss arguement. The first time he was traded was during a season in which he had 800 yards and 13 touchdowns and the Raiders gave up 2 1st rounders and Napoleon Harris. Johnson would definately require a first rounder. But then again...we are discussing Moss vs Johnson...obviously two different levels of talent (just a little)...and obviously two different ages at the time of these trades... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG4Life Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 If Chad Johnson came to Washington, some folks here would be happy. No doubt Ocho Cinco is a bad ass WR. My thing with that is that I'm tired of us going out and getting some disgrunted splashy player who ends up coming here and doing absolutely NOTHING for us while eating the team out of house and home. Yeah, you can blame Snyder for offering them crazy contracts (will this aspect of spending change in the near future?), but it still annoys me to no end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 If Chad Johnson came to Washington, some folks here would be happy. No doubt Ocho Cinco is a bad ass WR. My thing with that is that I'm tired of us going out and getting some disgrunted splashy player who ends up coming here and doing absolutely NOTHING for us while eating the team out of house and home. Yeah, you can blame Snyder for offering them crazy contracts (will this aspect of spending change in the near future?), but it still annoys me to no end. Hopefully, we do the smart thing and use our draft picks on college players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I've also been a big fan of using our lower draft picks 5th, 6th 7th round picks on players that put up excellent numbers from DII schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expensivegift Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Wow we actually have more than three draft picks. Please follow the winning ways of the other teams and actually USE these draft picks on college players not overpriced veterans. They already got their paycheck. The college kids are working for theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 as long as it aint a first rounder I can agree to that. No more than a third, and maybe a player with it for Ocho Cinco. No 2nds or 1sts. Then if we do this I think we need to draft an OG or OT #1/#2 and a CB in the other maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 B Lloyd can tell you all about the "Wide Receiver busts" that happen every year in the draft... Dude, that's part of the game. Every team drafts players that bust. That doesn't mean you keep giving picks away on other teams players. B Lloyd was drafted in the 4th round. That's much less of a risk than say a 3rd + 4th rounder + 10 Million in bonus money:D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysaskin Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 For all of you Chad Johnson haters...What makes you think we will have to give up a #1 or #2 to get Chad Johnson? Randy Moss...Oakland traded their 4th Round Pick to New England to get him... The market is different for WRs...and Chad & Rosenhaus will have difficulty making a case for #1 / #2 value...especially when he had a sub-par season. If he we can school him for a #3 or #4...DO IT. I love Santana...but you aren't winning a Super Bowl w/ Santana as the #1. You might say..."Where was Randy last night, in the Super Bowl?" Well...he was getting doubled...AND...he is the main reason Wes Welker had 11 receptions... Chad would open up Santana...ARE...and Cooley would finally be able to have one-on-one with a MLBs and OLBs... Because Vinny is running the show. He'd trade the 1st overall pick for a bag of Magic beans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voicekiller Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I actually think we end up with more than 6 picks this drafti am thinking that too...in the long run we will be able to parlee some of our players for some more picks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 2 words Drew Rosenhous I will almost bet that a new contract for CJ will be in the 20 million signing bonus range and about 60 million over 7 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 alright vinny, youve got 9 more days to keep all of these. please dont screw it up. PLEEEASSEEEE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REEGSKINS Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 I thought our fourth was for pete kendall it would have a 5th this year but cause he played more than 80% of the snaps last year it turned into a 4th next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie5 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Agreed. Keep those draft picks. Better yet, get more draft picks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie5 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 CJ for a third? As Ken Beatrice used to say, I'd do that deal twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted February 25, 2008 Author Share Posted February 25, 2008 alright guys, free agency starts on friday, and with all the crazy talks of who were gonna make plays for, can vinny actually keep all these picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Great thread, think about the success we've had with the few draft picks we've kept in recent years: Cooley, Sean Taylor, Landry, A-Mont, Jason Campbell, Rocky McIntosh, Carlos, let's keep those picks and draft some solid starters and some competent depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayAction Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 The only trades I want to see are trade downs. If all of the top tier DL talent is gone by 21 then there will be top tier WR and CB talent available. If we don't pick CB then try to trade down about 6 spots and pick up a very low 3rd round pick. We could use the extra 3rd round pick or high 4th pick to get a good G/C for the offensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUforREDSKINS Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 pick 1 = CJ pick 2 = Roy Williams No no, not both picks. I'd do any of those trades. It looks like CJ will stay in Cincy though. Other than that, yes, keep the picks. But if we are gonna use the west coast offense, I think that fits Moss and ARE very well. They will run quick routes and then have room to dance around and make something happen. They may do very well without a true # 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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