dizzinator53 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 We need a LDE. If we can nab a guy like this in the 2nd round, fine, but we need a LDE. I completely disagree. Chris Wilson is Legit. He can styop the run and rush the passer. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzinator53 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 What is a WR that can't catch? A Cornerback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzinator53 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 The following is my opinion of the players who were drafted in Rd. 1 and have not made a significant impact on their team. They have played in the league for at least two years. I have put DL vs. WR in the first round. By what I define as a bust, not first round material. If you were to trade a player for a first round pick, do these guys measure up to their talent? That is what I am basing my opinion on. 2003- 10 defensive linemen drafted - 8 busts DeWayne Robertson Jimmy Kennedy Jonathan Sullivan Ty Warren Jerome McDougle Calvin Pace William Joseph Tyler "the knee" Brayton 3 WR Drafted - 1 bust Charles Rogers 2004- (Great Year for Defensive Lineman!) 6 Defensive Linemen Drafted - 2 busts Marcus Tubbs Jason Babin 7 Wide Receivers Drafted - 3 Busts Rashuan Woods Michael Jenkins Michael Clayton 2005- 5 Defensive Linemen Drafted - 3 Busts Travis Johnson Marcus Spears (hasn't done ****) Mike Patterson 6 WR Drafted- 5 Busts (3 are iffy) Roddy White (iffy) Mark Clayton Matt Jones (iffy) Mike Williams (total bust) Troy Williamson (iffy) 2006- 7 Defensive Lineman drafted - 6 busts Haloti Ngata Kamerion Wimbley Broderick Bunkley Tamba Hali John MCCargo Mathias Kiwanuka ( also hasn't done ****) 1 WR Drafted - 0 Busts According to these calculation which are my opinion only 68% of the DL drafted in the 1st round (who have played for over 2 years) are not playing up to 1st round potential* 53% of the WR Drafted in 1st round since 2003 (who have played for over 2 years) are not playing up to 1st round potential* * Less WR have been Drafted * Speculation as to their abilities I now invite you to open the flood gates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 The following is my opinion of the players who were drafted in Rd. 1 and have not made a significant impact on their team. They have played in the league for at least two years. I have put DL vs. WR in the first round. By what I define as a bust, not first round material. If you were to trade a player for a first round pick, do these guys measure up to their talent? That is what I am basing my opinion on.2003- 10 defensive linemen drafted - 8 busts DeWayne Robertson Jimmy Kennedy Jonathan Sullivan Ty Warren Jerome McDougle Calvin Pace William Joseph Tyler "the knee" Brayton 3 WR Drafted - 1 bust Charles Rogers 2004- (Great Year for Defensive Lineman!) 6 Defensive Linemen Drafted - 2 busts Marcus Tubbs Jason Babin 7 Wide Receivers Drafted - 3 Busts Rashuan Woods Michael Jenkins Michael Clayton 2005- 5 Defensive Linemen Drafted - 3 Busts Travis Johnson Marcus Spears (hasn't done ****) Mike Patterson 6 WR Drafted- 5 Busts (3 are iffy) Roddy White (iffy) Mark Clayton Matt Jones (iffy) Mike Williams (total bust) Troy Williamson (iffy) 2006- 7 Defensive Lineman drafted - 6 busts Haloti Ngata Kamerion Wimbley Broderick Bunkley Tamba Hali John MCCargo Mathias Kiwanuka ( also hasn't done ****) 1 WR Drafted - 0 Busts According to these calculation which are my opinion only 68% of the DL drafted in the 1st round (who have played for over 2 years) are not playing up to 1st round potential* 53% of the WR Drafted in 1st round since 2003 (who have played for over 2 years) are not playing up to 1st round potential* * Less WR have been Drafted * Speculation as to their abilities I now invite you to open the flood gates. Haloti Ngata is a bust? Do you understand what the Ravens drafted him for? It wasn't for pass rush so much as to keep guys off Ray Lewis so he could make plays. I think he's done what they wanted from him. Has Manningham declared? He might stay and put up BIG #s in the new offense. From what I've read yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooley4President Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I thought we only draft DB's in the First? Correction, we only draft DBs in the top 10.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Has anybody else noticed that in the draft, we take Sweed, and the very next pick, Dallas takes Manningham? That would be an interesting comparison for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANDWARF Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I still like Campbell of Miami. 6'8 285 lb DE is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephGibbs Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Why does Sweed's description remind me almost exactly of that of Rod Gardner when he was coming out? Howard, Westbrook, Gardner, Jacobs. We have not had good luck finding a WR early in the draft. Defensive Line is more important, and we've ignored it for 10 years.#23-ROD GARDNER Clemson University Tigers 6:02.2-216 ANALYSIS Positives... Smart receiver who uses his size and strength to gain advantage over the defensive backs...Has a very tough, physical aspect to his game, drawing comparisons to former Dallas Cowboys great Michael Irvin, as he compensates for a lack of blazing speed with his outstanding hands and power coming off the line...Quickly recovers and adjusts to the ball in flight...Gets to the off-target passes in stride and shows true aggression going for the ball in traffic...Especially effective on quick slants and hitches, but gains most of his yardage with his leg drive after the catch...Has outstanding flexibility and is a very agile and fluid open field runner...Shades and controls the defender on contact, when called upon for blocking purposes...Also has experience as a defensive back in the dime package. Negatives... Does not possess blazing speed...Relies more on his power, rather than his juking moves, to gain extra yardage after the catch... Not a game-breaker. :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
posse87 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 BPA out of DE, WR, or DB. Where does Kenny Phillips project? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilberMWarrior58 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 We need a big wideout somewhere. I say draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Mel Kiper seemed to think Philips was more of a 2nd Round talent, and only the 2nd best safety based on what I heard yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I completely disagree. Chris Wilson is Legit. He can styop the run and rush the passer. IMO. The next time Chris Wilson stops the rush will be the first. He can speed rush the passer with an outside move. That's it. He's Chris Clemons II. Sometimes it works in obvious passing situations. He's a one trick pony though, and no more than a temporary solution to our problems there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 They said that about Marvin Harrison and Jerry Rice. Other than Hardy's height, we already have small, skinny fast guys on the roster. That was my point. We need a hulk (6-4, 225lb) with strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyConway Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Other than Hardy's height, we already have small, skinny fast guys on the roster. That was my point. We need a hulk (6-4, 225lb) with strength. I agree with that. I just wanted to point out that size isn't everything. But it's obvious that we need one more weapon on offense and a tall, smooth, solid route-runner would be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skindogger47 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 We HAVE TO go DE with the first pick. HAVE TO.Wide receivers in the first round have trouble written all over them... and as promising as Sweed may look to some (not me) the potential for disaster is too great. Second round... maybe... Adrian Arrington sure looks like a risk worth taking in round 2. I agree here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaRock Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Can we post the rest of the draft or is that some sort of copyright? I don't have insider anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 We need to draft hte best available plyaer out of these positions: DL, DB, and WR in no particular order. With the 21st pick, the best available will be Limas Sweed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Good point. Anyone wanna bet me that Sweed slips into the 2nd/3rd round? Right now, Sweed is a huge talent. He will only slip to second rounnd because he was injured this season. We CANNOT draft DE for the sake of drafting a DE. If the DE is going to be a great player then yes, otherwise, get BPA. These callings for DE come from the same people that wanted Jamaal Anderson last season and Keneche Udeze back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 dizzinator, Ty Warren is a bust? That's odd, I thought he was what helped make up a very quality front 7 in NE and voted defensive captain for this season. How about SOME RESEARCH before you make these kinds of claims? You put Kamerion Wimbley on there. Uh, didn't he have 11 sacks in his rookie year? He didn't have a good year this year but it could just be a sophomore slump. Did you actually do ANY kind of research or do you think because someone isn't named "mario Williams" or a name you instantly recognize that they are 'busts?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoRUSupposed2Be Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I would love to have Vincent Jackson... damn all the other receivers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 If we don't go after Roy Williams (Detroit WR) I really really want us to draft Sweed or maybe Malcolm Kelly out of Oklahoma. Regardless, we need to get a big target for Campbell. Cooley can't be his only red zone target ... :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aghar Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I just may blow a gasket this year if we ONCE AGAIN neglect our DLine. This is getting beyond the point of no return. We have two "OK" interior guys and one under-sized, but overachieving, DE in Carter. We need at least one of each(a starting calibur DE and a DT for depth). A DE in the first round or(if there is no DE of value at 21) draft down and generate more picks. WRs will be available in the later rounds. To waste a 1st round pick on a WR is just that...a waste, unless you are drafting top5 talent. Period. Sweed is a "nice" player but not something we need to use our first round pick on. Please, for the love of everything that is right in this world...PLEASE draft DLine talent this year. PLEASE! :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Right now, Sweed is a huge talent. He will only slip to second rounnd because he was injured this season.We CANNOT draft DE for the sake of drafting a DE. If the DE is going to be a great player then yes, otherwise, get BPA. These callings for DE come from the same people that wanted Jamaal Anderson last season and Keneche Udeze back then. I don't think I've ever claimed to want a DE just for the sake of one. I was firmly in the Landry camp despite Anderson and maybe Branch being potential pickups at six. Don't dismiss the DE crowd simply because they wanted certain players in the past. Drafting a DE is a legitimate concept, especially in the first round considering the Skins haven't done so in years. And to me it doesn't even have to be a DE. Had Lavar remained healthy and effective then this wouldn't be an issue and the Skins could get by with developmental players and vets along the Dline, but since Lavar got hurt the Skins have lacked a "true" pass rusher or a guy the defense always has to account for a la Merriman or Ware. It's high time the Skins replaced him with someone consistent enough to disrupt the game-plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy2677 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 We HAVE TO go DE with the first pick. HAVE TO.Wide receivers in the first round have trouble written all over them... and as promising as Sweed may look to some (not me) the potential for disaster is too great. Second round... maybe... Adrian Arrington sure looks like a risk worth taking in round 2. If Al Saunders stayed Keenan Burton or especially Mario Manningham would be good for us. As for the 1st rounder I think Calais Campbell is our guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsAllDay34 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 On Espn.com a updated mock draft has us taking WR Devin Thomas with the 21st pick. I thouhgt about it and he fits the WCO with his run after the catch and can satisfy our PR/KR needs along with being that big receiver opposite of Moss with Randle El in the slot. Fans on here are in love with Sweed Kelly and Hardy but they might be taken earlier and this guy looks good. For all those combine lovers he ran a 4.3 forty and is 6' 2" 215 lbs http://youtube.com/watch?v=AHbkz0IMIeA Devin Thomas Highlights from 07-08 http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3270327&univLogin02=stateChanged Heres the Mock draft page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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