blue collar Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=24784unlike Pac, Mosley doesn't seem to mind the additional testing The difference is that Mosley has been linked to PED. There's absolutely no suspicians of Pac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 both fighters being promoted by Golden Boy may play a role in easier negotiating. My question is, what will the split be? In my eyes, this should be a 50-50, but I have a feeling Floyd is going to be looking for a 60-40 i think 60/40 floyd should and will be the cut. floyd has a history of producing better buyrates than shane if going by talent, it would be 50/50 but that never decides the split (remember that floyd took 30% against DLH) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 (edited) pretty good doubleheader tonight on HBO: Juan Manuel Lopez vs. Steven Luevano Yuriorkis Gamboa vs. Rogers Mtagwa provided Lopez & Gamboa are both victorious, they will fight each other in may or june. they are both in with pretty good opponents. Luevano doesn't do anything great, but he does everything well. he's very solid, just not flashy. Lopez barely survived his last match with Rogers Mtagwa, in what was a serious "fight of the year" candidate. Gamboa is basically fighting Mtagwa because Mtagwa gave Lopez hell in his last match. Gamboa wants to show he can defeat Mtagwa in a more impressive fashion. Mtagwa is no easy win though, he's rugged, tough, and is definitely not just "another opponent". Gamboa is one most exciting fighters in boxing today, but he is very reckless with his defense. he has great head movement, which causes him to drop his hands alot, and is why he has been chin checked in previous fights. i think Lopez & Gamboa will both be victorious tonight. these are two of the boxings most promising young stars. if you can watch tonight, you should Edited January 23, 2010 by StillUnknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Bait Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 pretty good doubleheader tonight on HBO:Juan Manuel Lopez vs. Steven Luevano Yuriorkis Gamboa vs. Rogers Mtagwa provided Lopez & Gamboa are both victorious, they will fight each other in may or june. they are both in with pretty good opponents. Luevano doesn't do anything great, but he does everything well. he's very solid, just not flashy. Lopez barely survived his last match with Rogers Mtagwa, in what was a serious "fight of the year" candidate. Gamboa is basically fighting Mtagwa because Mtagwa gave Lopez hell in his last match. Gamboa wants to show he can defeat Mtagwa in a more impressive fashion. Mtagwa is no easy win though, he's rugged, tough, and is definitely not just "another opponent". Gamboa is one most exciting fighters in boxing today, but he is very reckless with his defense. he has great head movement, which causes him to drop his hands alot, and is why he has been chin checked in previous fights. i think Lopez & Gamboa will both be victorious tonight. these are two of the boxings most promising young stars. if you can watch tonight, you should Gamboa was very impressive, he crushed a much smaller Mtagwa....wasn't even a test. Lopez fight was boring, I'm not very impressed with Lopez, although he did do what he needed to in that fight to win. I'm excited to see Gamboa vs. Lopez...I expect Gamboa to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Gamboa might be my favorite fighter in boxing right now. dude is scary good athletically. reminds me alot of a smaller Roy Jones Jr. i'm impressed with him because he's shored up some of his defensive problems i noticed in other fights. he's much more responsible with his hands in his last few fights. his speed & killer instinct are unmatched at that weight class. i thought Lopez looked good against a tougher opponent last night. Luevano is one of those kinds of boxers that its hard to look good against him, but Lopez came in and took him out in 7 rounds. about a year ago i would've picked Lopez over Gamboa, mainly because Gamboa defense was technically flawed at that time. now with his improvements defensively, i see Gamboa winning. i'm not sure how Juanma will be able to get over the speed advantage Gamboa will have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Bait Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 The thing about Gamboa that impresses me the most is his hard, fast, ACCURATE punches. He landed 60% of his power punches thrown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjinhan Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Like I've said previously there is a reason Olympic testing is random and they don't tell the athlete's when the limits are. With the amounts of money at stake I'm sure chemicals can be dosed to clear testing times if the athletes knew then in advance. Also 14 days prefight is plenty of time to recover "strength" lost by a tiny blood sample. An hour would be enough. and also another question raised is.. so Mayweather is so worried about the PEDs and if PEDs are that advanced that you can hide it as some claims... so suddenly testing 14 days before the fight is good enough? If Mayweather was that worried about PEDs then he should NEVER have budged from his initial demands on this fight or any of his fights in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue collar Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Surprise, Surprise. Mayweather is hesitating with the proposed Mosley fight. www.boxingnews24.com/2010/01/mayweather-hesitating-with-mosley-fight-news/ So let me get this straight. Pac has to go through the very tough Clootey while Pretty Boy sits on the sidelines. Is that the plan? And I guess if Pac loses, Pretty Boy will beat his chest and claim he's the undisputed pound for pound champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Surprise, Surprise. Mayweather is hesitating with the proposed Mosley fight.www.boxingnews24.com/2010/01/mayweather-hesitating-with-mosley-fight-news/ So let me get this straight. Pac has to go through the very tough Clootey while Pretty Boy sits on the sidelines. Is that the plan? And I guess if Pac loses, Pretty Boy will beat his chest and claim he's the undisputed pound for pound champ. i'd wait until someone other than Michael Marley reports on the issue. from past readings and reports of his, he's not exactly the most credible dude when it comes to boxing stories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue collar Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 i'd wait until someone other than Michael Marley reports on the issue. from past readings and reports of his, he's not exactly the most credible dude when it comes to boxing stories We'll wait and see. It's funny that this fight isn't yet finalized though. I said it when this fight was rumored and I'll say it again, I'll only be convinced when Mayweather and Mosley are walking towards the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjinhan Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 We'll wait and see. It's funny that this fight isn't yet finalized though. I said it when this fight was rumored and I'll say it again, I'll only be convinced when Mayweather and Mosley are walking towards the ring. +1 Mayweather would be smart to do what that article is claiming though... Mosley is a dangerous fight for him even more so than Pacman... However I want to see Mayweather fight Pacman first because I really want to see what Pacman can do to him before Mosely hurts him. haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue collar Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 +1Mayweather would be smart to do what that article is claiming though... Mosley is a dangerous fight for him even more so than Pacman... However I want to see Mayweather fight Pacman first because I really want to see what Pacman can do to him before Mosely hurts him. haha IMO, fighters fight. You can't claim to be the best taking this approach. All the great fighters of the past took on all comers, anytime, anywhere. That's what Pac is doing. Mayweather, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Bait Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 IMO, fighters fight. You can't claim to be the best taking this approach. All the great fighters of the past took on all comers, anytime, anywhere. That's what Pac is doing. Mayweather, not so much. bravo...this is why Mayweather will never be great in my eyes. He HASN'T fought everyone....he is actually yet to fight a legit welterweight, and he's been in the division for about 4 or 5 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD5 Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Took boxing lessons with Dorian Beaupierre today. Unbelievable. And My God, that guy is a badass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MintHillSkinsFan Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 bravo...this is why Mayweather will never be great in my eyes. He HASN'T fought everyone....he is actually yet to fight a legit welterweight, and he's been in the division for about 4 or 5 years now. I'm a big Floyd fan but I agree, this is a chickens**t move if it's true. Mosley is a dangerous fight but I still think Floyd beats him decisively if he'll just step up and take the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Bait Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 I'm a big Floyd fan but I agree, this is a chickens**t move if it's true. Mosley is a dangerous fight but I still think Floyd beats him decisively if he'll just step up and take the fight. Shane is Bigger, Faster, and stronger.....he will beat Floyd. Floyd isn't going to be able to hide behind his shoulder (like he normally does) Shane will knock him out if he tried to counter punch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MintHillSkinsFan Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Shane is Bigger, Faster, and stronger.....he will beat Floyd.Floyd isn't going to be able to hide behind his shoulder (like he normally does) Shane will knock him out if he tried to counter punch Shane is bigger and probably stronger, but you're insane if you think he's faster than Floyd. There's no denying that Floyd's defense is the best in the business by a wide margin. Him and Hopkins are the best defensive fighters of this generation, if not all time. I stand by my previous statement. If Floyd quits being a vagina and the fight happens, then he beats Shane in a lopsided decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Bait Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Shane is bigger and probably stronger, but you're insane if you think he's faster than Floyd. There's no denying that Floyd's defense is the best in the business by a wide margin. Him and Hopkins are the best defensive fighters of this generation, if not all time. I stand by my previous statement. If Floyd quits being a vagina and the fight happens, then he beats Shane in a lopsided decision. Shane's hand speed is superior to Floyd's and is is undoubtedly much stronger. You can think Floyd will walk through Shane all you want; but you will be sadly mistaken in the end. Floyd has yet to fight a high caliper opponent (in his own weight class) since he came into the welterwieght division. He continues to fight smaller/aging fighters who have inferior skills to his own. Shane is going to break him down for about 9 or 10 rounds and then the fight will either be stopped, or Shane will knock him out. All the underweight opponents Floyd has fought in the past had to respect floyd's power, because he was the much bigger man. An aging De La Hoya went after Floyd and didn't show his power (or lack there of) much respect, and an over the hill Oscar almost beat him. Shane is at the top of his game, and he will be the bigger man. he wont respect Floyd's power punches and will come right after him. Floyd might be able to put up a solid defensive effort for the first 3 or 4 rounds, but once his shoulder has been beat on for 4 straight rounds by a bigger stronger man, he will cave in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MintHillSkinsFan Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Shane's hand speed is superior to Floyd's and is is undoubtedly much stronger.You can think Floyd will walk through Shane all you want; but you will be sadly mistaken in the end. Shane is fast but he's not even close to Floyd in hand speed. To even suggest such a thing is absurd. I have a crispy dollar that says Floyd wins. If Shane wins, not only will I send you that crispy dollar but I will publicly bow down and testify to your superior boxing knowledge right here on ES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Floyd will beat shane, something like 8 rounds to 4 rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Bait Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Shane is fast but he's not even close to Floyd in hand speed. To even suggest such a thing is absurd. If Shane is at the top of his game, his hand speed is faster. I have a crispy dollar that says Floyd wins. If Shane wins, not only will I send you that crispy dollar but I will publicly bow down and testify to your superior boxing knowledge right here on ES. can really testify one is more superior than another based on one fight, but I think I'm going to win this round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Bait Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Floyd will beat shane, something like 8 rounds to 4 rounds only way he beats shane by four rounds is if Shane comes in unprepared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I have a crispy dollar that says Floyd wins. If Shane wins, not only will I send you that crispy dollar Shouldn't that be a "crisp" dollar? A crispy dollar makes it sound like you're going to deep fry the sucker before you mail it. Hmm....fried money..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MintHillSkinsFan Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Shouldn't that be a "crisp" dollar? A crispy dollar makes it sound like you're going to deep fry the sucker before you mail it.Hmm....fried money..... You're probably right but crispy dollar just rolls off the tongue. :pfft: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 only way he beats shane by four rounds is if Shane comes in unprepared Shane got outboxed clean some rounds by Miguel Cotto. Cotto is a great fighter, but he's nowhere near the technician that Floyd is. i also go back to the fact that Shane has been at his most vulnerable against defensive minded technicians (Winky Wright & Vernon Forrest to be specific). now shane has obviously improved since those fights, thats undeniable, and i'm certain that Naazim Richardson (i put him on the same level as Freddie Roach as a trainer) will have him well prepared for that fight. i just dont think he's improved enough to handle someone he'll have trouble hitting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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