Guest sith lord Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 No.The difference that I can see is the playcalling and the protection, not the quality of QB. If the protection holds, and Al calls the same kind of game for Jason, he will deliver. If he's healthy, he should get his team back. Sorry, but Collins have grossly outplayed Campbell. It's not even debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdnGrey Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 You're fighting a losing battle. I personally feel that Campbell shouldn't lose his job to injury but not many others do. Collins can do his thing but if that has any effect on Campbell's psyche and ruins him like Ramsey got ruined, I will be thoroughyl upset. I don't care who agrees with me on here, I just hope that Joe does the right thing. You can't mess with your young QB's head by benching him when he's healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdnGrey Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Sorry, but Collins have grossly outplayed Campbell. It's not even debatable. If you can't see the difference in protection and playcalling, then you're right, we can't have a discussion, because you're not dealing with facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Lets just beat Dallas please..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 This is those topics for message boards only. Its a non-issue and everyone including the local media and the coaching staff has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Just remember, we ran the ball on third and five with 6 minutes to go, up by eleven points, we ran the ball up the middle. We got nine yard and a first down, but is was a very conservative call. The difference was we executed it very well. I think Collins has been great for us. He's done exactly what you hope a veteran backup would do. But this whole team seems to be playing with another gear these days. Especially Portis. But hey, if Doug Williams can step in and lead us to glory, why not Collins? Whatever works, I'm all for. And I'm pretty sure Gibbs feels the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stucon Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Last I looked, Snyder was the owner not Campbell. This concept that it is his team is nuts. If he plays poorly half way through next season again, it will be over for him. In a strange way, the worst thing you could do for Campbell is to let him come back in the playoffs. If he were to play badly in that scenario and the Redskins would lose, there really could be a quarterback controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins4ever Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 The Redskins invested a lot to get Jason Campbell. He will one day be the QB that we invisioned, but now Collins is the Redskins QB. Campbell shows his youth and level of experience when he plays, and he's not a bad QB. But I agree that with all of the momentum we have right now, Jason can not be back behind center until next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinFan63 Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Of course Collins has only played 3 games, but.....In 12 games with Campbell, we averaged 17.9 points per game. In 3 games with Collins, we averaged 26.0 points. And actually, Collins played closer to 2.5 games, coming into the Chicago game near the end of the first half. NOTE - In calculating Total Points scored under Campbell, I subtracted the 2 Defensive TD's by Fletcher and Rogers. Again, it's only about 3 games, but there's a clear trend that shows that the offense has more firepower under Collins. I think Collins should be the starter for the playoffs if we get there, since he has the momentum, and give Campbell another chance next year. Like I only noticed that in preseason. Don't get me wrong, I love Campbell, but Collins scored more points and looked way more confident in the huddle. Now during the actual season, I believe we can stop them.,......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudMouth12thMan Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 to finally see a real NFL offense. The playcalling..the execution...the creativity has been flawless ever since Campebell broke his knee cap.I think our offense could of been this good had Campbell been given the reigns . He is supremely more talented than Collins but obviously Collins knows the offense(the way its suppose to be run) alot better right now. Who is our starter against Seattle in the playoffs? Next year? You're out of your everlovin' tree man. Collins may not have the legs or the arm, but that little piece of matter between his ears and his accuracy is far superior. Collins IS a better quarterback than Campbell. Certainly he is not as "physically" gifted, but what does that buy you? :2cents: HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanCollins Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 No.The difference that I can see is the playcalling and the protection, not the quality of QB. If the protection holds, and Al calls the same kind of game for Jason, he will deliver. If he's healthy, he should get his team back. Totally agree, next year :doh:. How short is your memory? Campbell was averaging like a fumble and 2 ints per game and lost 5 straight. Hell even in the bills game, if he doesn't get caught in the endzone for a safty, we win. I wish him a slow but healthy recovery and the opportunity to compete for his job next spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Of course Collins has only played 3 games, but.....In 12 games with Campbell, we averaged 17.9 points per game. In 3 games with Collins, we averaged 26.0 points. And actually, Collins played closer to 2.5 games, coming into the Chicago game near the end of the first half. NOTE - In calculating Total Points scored under Campbell, I subtracted the 2 Defensive TD's by Fletcher and Rogers. Again, it's only about 3 games, but there's a clear trend that shows that the offense has more firepower under Collins. I think Collins should be the starter for the playoffs if we get there, since he has the momentum, and give Campbell another chance next year. Hopefully they won't mess with it. This is a very fine line to travel, Jason being healthy enough -vs- Collins being the right fit. Hopefully Campbell understands. HTTR!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SearchHorizon Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 No.The difference that I can see is the playcalling and the protection, not the quality of QB. If the protection holds, and Al calls the same kind of game for Jason, he will deliver. If he's healthy, he should get his team back. When did the Skins start winning? That's right -- when Collins took over. The line is looking better because Collins knows when to get rid of the ball, when to hold it for long throws. This is because Collins is reading the defense much better than JC. JC is our future, but he has a long way to go. If we go far into the playoffs this year, QB position should be up for a competition between Collins and Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 The playcalling is much more aggressive. I guess with a vet QB who doesn't make mistakes you can't be surprised. Campbell's still learning. For the long term you have to believe in him and give him a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 If you can't see the difference in protection and playcalling, then you're right, we can't have a discussion, because you're not dealing with facts. There's absolutely no logical argument you can use to say that Collins haven't played better than Campbell. I don't know about you, but I don't miss those int's in key moments of the game. And you know as well as I do that if JC was sacked from behind like TC was on that one play, the ball would have been bouncing around the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE skinsmaniac Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Collins releases the ball quicker, has better timing and is more accurate. JC was leading the league in QB fumbles. Right now we have to stick with Collins. If it ain't broke don't fix it. JC will get his time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf85 Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Theres a lot more to this than our starting QB getting hurt. The o-line is starting to play better, Gibbs is playing to win now.This team has come together,because of Taylor most of all.I think it brought our team closer and like I have already said I'm proud of this team and there coach.Todd is playing good,but he's not the reason we our winning.It's a team game and this team is getting it together at the right time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 I'd say Collins is the starter for Seattle if we get in the playoffs. Just let Jason get back to work learning the playbook and the system and he'll be back to start next season, he had a good year of learning experiences and if he works as hard as he did last offseason, he'll be scary-good next season. My exact thoughts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM916 Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 How hard is it for people to understand the difference between an inexperienced kid in a difficult system and a old vet who knows that system better than the coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctorfro Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 This is Todd's team until next year. He's playing very well. One time tonight he took a sack and everyone in the room said "if that had been Campbell, he would have fumbled." I think JC needs to really study his game films this offseason to make the corrections necessary and to improve his ball handling. He can do what Collins is doing and more because of his athleticism. I look forward to seeing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdnGrey Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Totally agree, next year :doh:. How short is your memory? Campbell was averaging like a fumble and 2 ints per game and lost 5 straight. Hell even in the bills game, if he doesn't get caught in the endzone for a safty, we win. I wish him a slow but healthy recovery and the opportunity to compete for his job next spring. I don't know man, there are a lot of reasons for those losses that aren't JC. The team has played different since the Bills game, and you can't say its because of a 36 year QB who never practiced with the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Totally agree, next year :doh:. How short is your memory? Campbell was averaging like a fumble and 2 ints per game and lost 5 straight. Hell even in the bills game, if he doesn't get caught in the endzone for a safty, we win. I wish him a slow but healthy recovery and the opportunity to compete for his job next spring. Compete with who? Collins is going to be 37 next year. And please go and re-watch that safety vs the Bills. He had no chance. Zero. Zilch. The guy came in at speed completely unblocked. And yes, our TEAM lost 5 straight, but they are ALL playing very focused football right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 No.The difference that I can see is the playcalling and the protection, not the quality of QB. If the protection holds, and Al calls the same kind of game for Jason, he will deliver. If he's healthy, he should get his team back. I think thats foolish. Collins is on an unstoppable roll, one that should continue into the playoffs assuming we get in. on the other hand we can make our star QB come in cold turkey, rushed back from a dislocated kneecap to give him a MAYBE chance of starting just as good as collins all based on the assumption that our recent streak is ONLY from coaching changes.not worth the risk at all. rest up campbell since there is not a snowball's chance in hell we are going to the superbowl let alone winning it this year. Campbell strong in 08 shows tons of promise. campbell blowing out his knee in a worthless playoff game in 07 and putting his career in possible jeopardy? now way buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdnGrey Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Collins releases the ball quicker, has better timing and is more accurate. JC was leading the league in QB fumbles. Right now we have to stick with Collins. If it ain't broke don't fix it. JC will get his time. I saw Collins fumble twice today. Whats good for the goose is good for the old man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfbovey Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Last I looked, Snyder was the owner not Campbell. This concept that it is his team is nuts. If he plays poorly half way through next season again, it will be over for him.In a strange way, the worst thing you could do for Campbell is to let him come back in the playoffs. If he were to play badly in that scenario and the Redskins would lose, there really could be a quarterback controversy. At the same time you have to let your young QBs learn and take their lumps. People judge Campbell as if he's a ten year vet. Look at what most hall of fame quarterbacks have done in their first 16-20 starts. Campbell needs experience. He need to make mistakes and learn from them. I swear that this is one of the few fan bases that either doesn't understand that or doesn't have the patience to see it through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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