Imus on the Hot Seat for Rutgers Comments

[Spaceman Spiff]

He is asking you simple questions that you have no answers to.

Black on black hate or racism might not be the dictionary definition of racism, but it is a form of it. It exists and it has a negative affect on the black community.

Simply put, how do you expect people to expect you and your race when members of your race clearly do not respect it?

[Spaceman Spiff]

All I'm saying is is that there seems to be no middle ground. It seems that if you make a horrible choice of words, and dont' have a history of saying such things, there is no middle ground. People out there seem to want blood.

I don't agree with what Imus said, I think it's sad that people can't accept apologies. He seemed genuinely sorry for what he did. It seems that if you slip up, you're hammered for it no matter what.

No, Imus has done racist stuff before. I've heard it.

He picked the wrong group of people to pick on this time, though. College students? :doh:

[Major Harris]

He seemed genuinely sorry for what he did. It seems that if you slip up, you're hammered for it no matter what.

i don't know man. this is far from the first time for imus.

[Killerbo]

Oh, ok...cause racism has nothing to do with hate.

racism is hate and feeling of superiority of one race over another not from one memeber of one race to another member of the same race.

Stop trying toi spin **** around here. Black on black racism...what a bunch of croc. So spiff ever experienced white on white racism:rolleyes:

[Spaceman Spiff]

racism is hate and feeling of superiority of one race over another not from one memeber of one race to another member of the same race.

Stop trying toi spin **** around here. Black on black racism...what a bunch of croc. So spiff ever experienced white on white racism:rolleyes:

Oh, ok...So certain members of the black community are not trying to feel better about themselves when they criticize other blacks for acting too white? Or putting those members down? One black person calling another a "coconut" or an "oreo" isn't racist?

As for your second question...ever seen white people call someone else a "wigger?"

[Killerbo]

Okay, take a breath. You said you would rather prefer to be called a "guy" instead of a "black guy" or "black boy". But, in an earlier post, you referred to someone as "white boy" or "white man" and said it had no negativity in it. See the irony?

No you take a breath I said I would prefer to be called a guy and not have my race attached to me as a label, but understand that in this context this how we are defining people. Never said being called black guy or black boy was racist, but being called"boy" was because of the negative connotation of it being used by white slave owners and most white people in general to refer to black people back in the days.

[BAFGA]

i don't know man. this is far from the first time for imus.

Yeah I didn't know about all of that.

I guess I"m thinking of Howard Cosell and the Alvin Garrett situation.

[Killerbo]

Black on black hate or racism might not be the dictionary definition of racism, but it is a form of it. It exists and it has a negative affect on the black community.

Simply put, how do you expect people to expect you and your race when members of your race clearly do not respect it?

B

Black on blak racism is a bunch of crock and having a white person call black girls nappy headed hos with clear inclination to their race, makes the gut a racist, maybe not a hateful guy but a racist nonethelss.

[cjcdaman]

Oh yeah, would you love to own some slaves white boy? Will that be more freedom for you ? huh?

Killerbo, if you are offended by being called a "black" guy, maybe you shouldn't call others "white" guys???

[Killerbo]

ok, i'm out got to work tomorrow......bottom line

Imus was wrong, made a racist remark and his behind should get fired. Freedom of speech comes with responsibilities as well.

[Spaceman Spiff]

B

Black on blak racism is a bunch of crock and having a white person call black girls nappy headed hos with clear inclination to their race, makes the gut a racist, maybe not a hateful guy but a racist nonethelss.

I gotcha...It's only a crock after I've proved my point to you.

I'm not talking about Imus calling someone people nappy headed hoes, this goes above and beyond that.

Hint: Where'd Imus learn the terminology? His Yanni CD's? Or Garth Brooks' Greatest Hits?

[Killerbo]

Killerbo, if you are offended by being called a "black" guy, maybe you shouldn't call others "white" guys???

Never said I was offended just didn't like it that's all. The guy I was reffering to just pissed me of with his freedom crap. Besides if you are white and i call you a white guy, WTF, aren't you white. If I called you a blue-eyed blond headed jock, now that is a racist remark. Peace out!

[Jumbo]

I think you guys are having a great if heated dialogue but want ya to understand you risk having someone ban ya for a rule break they may decide they can't ignore if ya go too far...its really emotional stuff but try to keep the profantiy and any real ugly personal attacks out of it. FWIW.

[Killerbo]

I gotcha...It's only a crock after I've proved my point to you.

I'm not talking about Imus calling someone people nappy headed hoes, this goes above and beyond that.

Hint: Where'd Imus learn the terminology? His Yanni CD's? Or Garth Brooks' Greatest Hits?

So that makes it right for him to use that phrase. Still trying to freaking justify that crap the guy said, so freaking sad.

[Killerbo]

I think you guys are having a great if heated dialogue but want ya to understand you risk having someone ban ya for a rule break they may decide they can't ignore if ya go too far...its really emotional stuff but try to keep the profantiy and any real ugly personal attacks out of it. FWIW.

Gotcha , I'm out ..night everybody.

[Spaceman Spiff]

So that makes it right for him to use that phrase. Still trying to freaking justify that crap the guy said, so freaking sad.

No, you're missing the point.

The point is that respect will not be earned when members of your own race are putting black women down. It's in the music, it's in the videos and it's in a fair amount of the popular black culture that dominates MTV and BET these days. Sad, but true.

While I agree that what Imus said was disrespectful and out of line, that's where he got the terminology.

The root of the problem isn't Imus, he's just a byproduct.

[cjcdaman]

Besides if you are white and i call you a white guy, WTF, aren't you white.

even though I hate being called a black guy and not just called a guy

[Killerbo]

No, you're missing the point.

The point is that respect will not be earned when members of your own race are putting black women down. It's in the music, it's in the videos and it's in a fair amount of the popular black culture that dominates MTV and BET these days. Sad, but true.

While I agree that what Imus said was disrespectful and out of line, that's where he got the terminology.

The root of the problem isn't Imus, he's just a byproduct.

So in a nutshell, blame rap music and not Imus.....ooookkkkkkaaaaayyyyyy.

[Killerbo]

Wow, you are a real champ you know, taking my words out of context and spinning it real good. Why not post the part where I said even though I hated being labeled with the black part, that I didn't mind being called a black guy or boy since I am Black and it wasn't like I was being insulted for being described with my race. But a white guy, well a respectable white guy on radio calling black women nappy headed hos is wrong and racist period. bcos YOU guys claim its being said on rap cds doesn't make it right for him to say stuff lik that. Also there are people in our community fighting against rap artists who make cd's with offensive and derogoratpry comments about black men, women and our culture in general. So stop trying to spin buddy. to

(O'Riley is the schinitz to me thogh)

[ironmic]

I gotcha...It's only a crock after I've proved my point to you.

I'm not talking about Imus calling someone people nappy headed hoes, this goes above and beyond that.

Hint: Where'd Imus learn the terminology? His Yanni CD's? Or Garth Brooks' Greatest Hits?

This further proves my point that alot of hisfenders on this board share the same opinion as Imus and have their own racial issues. For one the word N***er was not invented with RAP niether was the word Ho. Second contrary to alot of your popular beliefs a small percentage of Hip Hop uses such demeaning references but you only know what you want to know. Third RAP sells millions of units each year of which roughly 70 percent is bought by caucasions HIP HOP on the other hand (which most blacks listen to) is a totally different form of expression, with that said how ignorant of some of you to suggest that "Ooh they say it in Rap so it's ok" B.S... I listen to some Rock and i have heard Murder, Drugs, Racism, Bi-Sexuality and Hate but what in the Hell would that have to do with some idiot saying the white girls on "Duke's" team being shaped like 12yr old boys, sweating smelling like German Shepards and being products of wild orgies with family members and Catholic priest. It would have nothing to do with it. I am just so disturb by the recent racist and underlying hate that have become political fodder in the tailgate. Being a black man i have seen, felt, observed and known prejudice and hate all my 33 years on this planet and when i read some of your views and ideas on these topics in the tailgate forum it only reinforces my belief that much of society is and has the same ignorant, insensitive, racist and insecure views as our fore fathers. I truely wish some of you could step out of the box and hear what you are saying and above all i wish some of you could spend 1 month in the shoes of a black person and trust me the idiotic threads like "Are Whites held to a higher standard" would be thrown in the trash. The sad part of all of this is that many of you hide behind your keyboards and feel safe, knowing that in public amongst black, whites, hispanics ect....you would not be spitting this venomous and ignorant B.S that you spit here. Even more than that some of you will actually be raising children. :mad:

[Major Harris]

But a white guy, well a respectable white guy on radio

imus, respectable? who knew. :whoknows:

[LeesburgSkinFan]

From Jason Whitlock in the Kansas City Star:

COMMENTARY

Imus isn’t the real bad guy

Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.

By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

To reach Jason Whitlock, call (816) 234-4869 or send e-mail to jwhitlock@kcstar.com. For previous columns, go to KansasCity.com

[Major Harris]

jason whitlock must be a racist. oops, can't be. hmmmm.....

[ccsl2]

From Jason Whitlock in the Kansas City Star:

COMMENTARY

Imus isn’t the real bad guy

Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.

By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

To reach Jason Whitlock, call (816) 234-4869 or send e-mail to jwhitlock@kcstar.com. For previous columns, go to KansasCity.com

That is a great column by Whitlock...I agree with most of the stuff in his article...but what is so ironic about the posting of his article is that i remember in some of the previous articles he has written, many people on this board labeled him as a racist, and now his article is being posted as a defense for what Imus did.

[megared]

I don't agree with Whitlock at all. I would honestly like to know what telling rap musicians not to curse is going to do. Imus wasn't listening to Jeezy one day and making those remarks as a member/participant of the culture, or someone even trying to understand. It was a messed up statement that mocked a specific group of people, and their culture. 95% of the artists in rap don't have control over what their image is, the content of their album, or even the direction of their career.

Whitlock is a respected columnist that didn't even bother to check his facts...it's been mentioned ad nauseum that Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton have challenged artists & label companies to do better...

We aren't screaming for Imus to be censored, personally my thoughts are that it is a shame such a reprehensible statement can freely roll off someone's tongue in 2007.