desioreo87 Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 I think its pretty clear that the reason why the skins are behind those other teams is the sheer lack of packs they have each year. You look at those drafts and we have made at least one or two good picks every draft, its the same exact thing with the ravens, eagles, and patriots. However the reason why they draft better is because they have tons more picks than we do. If you look at those ravens draft maybe 2 or 3 years they find someone in the late rounds but some of those years are busts from round 1 to 7. If the redskins had more picks than yea we could find those people since the probability increases but when you have 4 picks a year there is a good chance that you won't find good people in teh draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Actually it was due to the Sean Gilbert trade that netted us 2 1st rounds picks by fleecing Carolina 99's 1st round and 2000's picks which was used along with the saints picks to move up to the 2nd and 3rd spots. Sorry but when is fact considered flawed logic Isn't it crazy that after all those free picks we still sucked. Dallas turned this into 3 Super Bowls after trading Walker and having a pile of high draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 If the redskins had more picks than yea we could find those people since the probability increases but when you have 4 picks a year there is a good chance that you won't find good people in teh draft. Also, they'd be able to just pick a backup QB every once in a while as well. We end up with 3-4 picks and have to fill OL/DL with the late picks instead of drafting a possible future steal at QB like we did 13 years ago with Frerotte, the Eagles did recently with Feeley then got a 2nd rounder for him and have him back already, the Pats got Brady this way, the Falcons got Schaub in the 3rd and just traded him for multiple 1st day picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expensivegift Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 As a comparison, check out Ossie Newsome's picks in Baltimore during his tenure: you might see a few potential hall of famers in there:1996 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 4 Jonathan Ogden T UCLA 1 26 Ray Lewis MLB Miami 2 55 DeRon Jenkins CB Tennessee 5 153 Jermaine Lewis WR Maryland 6 172 Dexter Daniels LB Florida 6 186 James Roe WR Norfolk State 7 238 Jon Stark QB Trinity, Ill. 1997 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 4 Peter Boulware OLB Florida State 2 34 Jamie Sharper OLB Virginia 2 58 Kim Herring S Penn State 3 64 Jay Graham RB Tennessee 4 118 Tyrus McCloud LB Louisville 5 134 Jeff Mitchell C Florida 6 167 Steve Lee FB Indiana 6 194 Cornell Brown OLB Virginia Tech 7 205 Chris Ward DE Kentucky 7 234 Wally Richardson QB Penn State 7 236 Ralph Staten DB Alabama 7 238 Leland Taylor DT Louisville 1998 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 10 Duane Starks CB Miami 2 42 Pat Johnson WR Oregon 5 124 Martin Chase DT Oklahoma 5 133 Ryan Sutter S Colorado 6 154 Ron Rogers LB Georgia Tech 6 164 Sammy Williams T Oklahoma 7 241 Cam Quayle TE Weber State 1999 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 10 Chris McAlister CB Arizona 4 105 Brandon Stokley WR Louisiana-Lafayette 4 129 Edwin Mulitalo G Arizona 7 216 Anthony Poindexter SS Virginia 2000 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 5 Jamal Lewis RB Tennessee 1 10 Travis Taylor WR Florida 3 75 Chris Redman QB Louisville 5 148 Richard Mercier G Miami 6 186 Adalius Thomas OLB Southern Mississippi 6 191 Cedric Woodard DT Texas 2001 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 31 Todd Heap TE Arizona State 2 62 Gary Baxter CB Baylor 3 92 Casey Rabach C Wisconsin 4 126 Edgerton Hartwell MLB Western Illinois 5 161 Chris Barnes RB New Mexico State 6 194 Joe Maese LS New Mexico 7 231 Dwayne Missouri DE Northwestern 2002 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 24 Ed Reed FS Miami 2 52 Anthony Weaver DE Notre Dame 4 112 Dave Zastudil P Ohio 4 123 Ron Johnson WR Minnesota 5 155 Terry Jones TE Alabama 6 195 Lamont Brightful CB Eastern Washington 6 206 Javin Hunter WR Notre Dame 6 207 Chester Taylor RB Toledo 6 209 Chad Williams SS Southern Mississippi 7 236 Wes Pate QB Stephen F. Austin 2003 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 10 Terrell Suggs DE Arizona State 1 19 Kyle Boller QB California 3 77 Musa Smith RB Georgia 4 109 Jarret Johnson DE Alabama 4 134 Ovie Mughelli FB Wake Forest 5 146 Aubrayo Franklin NT Tennessee 5 173 Tony Pashos T Illinois 6 182 Gerome Sapp FS Notre Dame 7 223 Trent Smith TE Oklahoma 7 250 Mike Mabry C Central Florida 7 258 Antwoine Sanders DB Utah 2004 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 2 51 Dwan Edwards DE Oregon State 3 82 Devard Darling WR Washington State 5 153 Roderick Green OLB Central Missouri 6 187 Josh Harris QB Bowling Green 6 199 Clarence Moore WR Northern Arizona 7 244 Derek Abney WR Kentucky 7 246 Brian Rimpf G East Carolina 2005 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 22 Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma 2 53 Dan Cody OLB Oklahoma 2 64 Adam Terry T Syracuse 4 124 Jason Brown G North Carolina 5 158 Justin Green FB Montana 6 213 Derek Anderson QB Oregon State 7 234 Mike Smith MLB Texas Tech 2006 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 12 Haloti Ngata DT Oregon 2 56 Chris Chester G Oklahoma 3 87 David Pittman CB Northwestern State, La. 4 111 Demetrius Williams WR Oregon 4 132 P.J. Daniels RB Georgia Tech 5 146 Dawan Landry SS Georgia Tech 5 166 Quinn Sypniewski TE Colorado 6 203 Sam Koch P Nebraska 6 208 Derrick Martin CB Wyoming 7 219 Ryan LaCasse DE Syracuse Here's the Pats draft history 2000 and beyond: Must be an awesome feeling to find some excellent players past the 4th round: 2000 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 2 46 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii 3 76 J.R. Redmond FB Arizona State 4 127 Greg Randall T Michigan State 5 141 Dave Stachelski TE Boise State 5 161 Jeff Marriott G Missouri 6 187 Antwan Harris DB Virginia 6 199 Tom Brady QB Michigan 6 201 David Nugent DE Purdue 7 226 Casey Tisdale DE New Mexico 7 239 Patrick Pass FB Georgia 2001 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 6 Richard Seymour DE Georgia 2 48 Matt Light T Purdue 3 86 Brock Williams CB Notre Dame 4 96 Kenyatta Jones T South Florida 4 119 Jabari Holloway TE Notre Dame 5 163 Hakim Akbar OLB Washington 6 180 Arther Love TE South Carolina State 6 200 Leonard Myers CB Miami 7 216 Owen Pochman K Brigham Young 7 239 T.J. Turner OLB Michigan State 2002 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 21 Daniel Graham TE Colorado 2 65 Deion Branch WR Louisville 4 117 Rohan Davey QB Louisiana State 4 126 Jarvis Green DE Louisiana State 7 237 Antwoine Womack RB Virginia 7 253 David Givens WR Notre Dame 2003 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 13 Ty Warren DE Texas A&M 2 36 Eugene Wilson FS Illinois 2 45 Bethel Johnson WR Texas A&M 4 117 Dan Klecko DT Temple 4 120 Asante Samuel CB Central Florida 5 164 Dan Koppen C Boston College 6 201 Kliff Kingsbury QB Texas Tech 7 234 Spencer Nead FB Brigham Young 7 239 Tully Banta-Cain OLB California 7 243 Ethan Kelley NT Baylor 2004 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 21 Vince Wilfork NT Miami 1 32 Benjamin Watson TE Georgia 2 63 Marquise Hill DE Louisiana State 3 95 Guss Scott SS Florida 4 113 Dexter Reid SS North Carolina 4 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas 5 164 P.K. Sam WR Florida State 7 233 Christian Morton CB Illinois 2005 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State 3 84 Ellis Hobbs CB Iowa State 3 100 Nick Kaczur T Toledo 4 133 James Sanders FS Fresno State 5 170 Ryan Claridge OLB Nevada-Las Vegas 7 230 Matt Cassel QB Southern California 7 255 Andy Stokes TE William Penn 2006 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota 2 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida 3 86 David Thomas TE Texas 4 106 Garrett Mills TE Tulsa 4 118 Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis 5 136 Ryan O'Callaghan T California 6 191 Jeremy Mincey LB Florida 6 205 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame 6 206 Le Kevin Smith NT Nebraska 7 229 Willie Andrews FS Baylor Lastly, another team that drafts well and always has depth (the eagles--as much as I hate to admit it) 2000 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 6 Corey Simon DT Florida State 2 36 Todd Pinkston WR Southern Mississippi 2 61 Bobbie Williams G Arkansas 4 99 Gari Scott WR Michigan State 6 171 Thomas Hamner RB Minnesota 6 178 John Frank DE Utah 6 192 John Romero C California 2001 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 25 Freddie Mitchell WR UCLA 2 55 Quinton Caver OLB Arkansas 3 63 Derrick Burgess DE Mississippi 4 121 Correll Buckhalter RB Nebraska 5 147 Tony Stewart TE Penn State 5 155 A.J. Feeley QB Oregon 2002 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 26 Lito Sheppard CB Florida 2 58 Michael Lewis SS Colorado 2 59 Sheldon Brown CB South Carolina 3 91 Brian Westbrook RB Villanova 4 124 Scott Peters C Arizona State 5 162 Freddie Milons WR Alabama 6 198 Tyreo Harrison MLB Notre Dame 7 238 Raheem Brock DT Temple 2003 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 15 Jerome McDougle DE Miami 2 61 L.J. Smith TE Rutgers 3 95 Billy McMullen WR Virginia 4 131 Jamaal Green DE Miami 6 185 Jeremy Bridges G Southern Mississippi 7 244 Norman LeJeune DB Louisiana State 2004 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 16 Shawn Andrews G Arkansas 3 89 Matt Ware CB UCLA 4 129 J.R. Reed SS South Florida 4 131 Trey Darilek C Texas-El Paso 5 162 Thomas Tapeh FB Minnesota 6 185 Andy Hall QB Delaware 6 192 Dexter Wynn CB Colorado State 7 227 Adrien Clarke G Ohio State 7 242 Bruce Perry RB Maryland 7 243 Dominic Furio C Nevada-Las Vegas 2005 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 31 Mike Patterson DT Southern California 2 35 Reggie Brown WR Georgia 2 63 Matt McCoy OLB San Diego State 3 77 Ryan Moats RB Louisiana Tech 4 102 Sean Considine SS Iowa 4 126 Todd Herremans G Saginaw Valley 5 146 Trent Cole DE Cincinnati 5 172 Scott Young G Brigham Young 6 211 Calvin Armstrong T Washington State 7 247 Keyonta Marshall DT Grand Valley State 7 252 David Bergeron LB Stanford 2006 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 14 Brodrick Bunkley DT Florida State 2 39 Winston Justice T Southern California 3 71 Chris Gocong LB Cal Poly-SLO 4 99 Max Jean-Gilles G Georgia 4 109 Jason Avant WR Michigan 5 147 Jeremy Bloom WR Colorado 5 168 Omar Gaither MLB Tennessee 6 204 LaJuan Ramsey DT Southern California This is what I mean by the Redskins needing to emphasize drafting. Drafting by bulk, you minimize the risk and not only that, these young guys are cheaper and will work harder because they haven't gotten their NFL payday yet. The Ravens list is just staggering, 3 pro bowlers almost every single year drafted except for 1 or 2. DAMN. I didn't even look at the other teams because it's kinda depressing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 I would gladly trade the 6th pick overall for Ozzie Newsome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsn24 Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 WOW, Skinseva, That list of other teams draft picks make me soo salty. Now i know why everyone on these boards says "the draft is soo uncertain" because we simply suck at it, we also suck at signing the right players so i guess they go hand in hand. Great work. PS. Whoever said Carlos Rogers is a sucess, this is not true. He is well behind where Champ and Smoot were entering year 3. Another thing Vinny, in a chat here at ES, said rogers was their highest rated defensive player, not by position, overall. Merriman was in that draft class and on the table when the skins picked. How was he not rated higher, im not talking need, just plain rating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYSkinsfan82 Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Well the amazing thing is the Eagles, Pats, and Ravens really didn't trade any of there picks. They built depth by draft, and NOT Over Rated FA. This way they save on cap room and have money when they need it. Most of the players listed are not playing or on another team. They flush out the players they don't need and keep them young and fresh, not old and always hurt! The Pats GM is the best on finding talent, I really think the Redskins needs a GM that knows whats going on. Not Vinny as GM he is a Joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMonkey Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Isn't it crazy that after all those free picks we still sucked. Dallas turned this into 3 Super Bowls after trading Walker and having a pile of high draft picks. It's definitely crazy considering of you look back and see how many players are no longer with on the team. I'm surprised the media never jumped on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodiesel#44 Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Well the amazing thing is the Eagles, Pats, and Ravens really didn't trade any of there picks. They built depth by draft, and NOT Over Rated FA. The difference with Gibbs is he is already on year 4 of a 5 year plan. No time for building anything. I can't think of an excuse for Vinny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilbone13 Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Yes...V. Cerrato sucks. A million fans see it, but for some reason, he lives on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsn24 Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Vinny is NOTTTTT good (Borat Voice) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 The really interesting thing to me is the change in fan sentiment. That is, I've posted Vinny's draft history here at least twice over the past couple of years and been rebuked for my criticism of him *cough* Art *cough, cough* Bubba *cough*. However it now appears that many are peering over the B & G glasses to see the truth about my cousin. That Cerrato could say the following... He shows you Carlos Rogers, whom the team took with its ninth pick in the April draft, was No. 1 on the Redskins' defensive draft wish list. Cerrato said he wrote 300 "Redskin reports" that were used to form the team's final offensive, defensive and overall rankings for the draft. "Look, I've got binders in here, calendars," he said, pointing to his files. ...while S. Merriman and D. Ware were in the same draft defies all logic known to man. It looks even stupider given that Rogers didn't play like a first round pick last season and might end up being a bust. I'm just wondering if the line about him not believing in drafting defensive linemen is really true. If so, that would completely confirm my opinion of him as another "Corky". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Yeah but if we drafted Merriman in 05 we'd have no use for Briggs now. It's all part of the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 I'm assuming that was a joke. :doh: Besides, Merriman was widely considered to be able to play either 3-4 LB or 4-3 DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fussels813 Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 I've read every word of this thread, and now I dont feel so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins4eva Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share Posted March 31, 2007 Vinny is NOTTTTT good (Borat Voice) Vinny is good not (Borat voice) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpickering Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 PS. Whoever said Carlos Rogers is a sucess, this is not true. He is well behind where Champ and Smoot were entering year 3. Another thing Vinny, in a chat here at ES, said rogers was their highest rated defensive player, not by position, overall. Merriman was in that draft class and on the table when the skins picked. How was he not rated higher, im not talking need, just plain rating? I am not going to fault the Skins for drafting Rogers... CB was a definite position of need and Rogers was an excellent prospect coming out of college. I lobbied for him and I believe that he will develop into an excellent CB. For whatever reason he like other CBs drafted high (Quentin Jammer, Terrance Newsome) take a few seasons to fully transition to the NFL. I expect big things out of CR this upcoming season. What I cannot look past is our uncanny ability to uneccesarilly throw away draft picks and the passing up of players who could help our team at positions of dire need in the latter rounds (Chris Canty) for picks that are dubious at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastes Like Chicken Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 I've said before and I'll say it again, you can't neglect your D-line for 10 straight drafts. Where is the talent and depth? Probably on the teams who have the players that we should have selected, assuming A) anyone on planet Earth except Vinny-Danny was rating them and we hadn't mis-used/traded/given away/auctioned on e-Bay, the draft picks to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tn_skin_fan_21 Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 thats crazy no wonder we dont have any DL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins4eva Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share Posted March 31, 2007 I've said before and I'll say it again, you can't neglect your D-line for 10 straight drafts. Where is the talent and depth? Probably on the teams who have the players that we should have selected, assuming A) anyone on planet Earth except Vinny-Danny was rating them and we hadn't mis-used/traded/given away/auctioned on e-Bay, the draft picks to begin with. Since 2000, we haven't drafted one DE or DT HIGHER than the 6th round!!!! As a comparison, the Eagles have drafted 5 D lineman in the last two years...most of which were taken in the first 4 rounds...any questions???? The more I look at these picks and pay attention to the tendencies, the more i worry about this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Vinny Cerrato is a joke, but I blame Snyder/Gibbs(whoever is truly in charge)more for actually hanging on to him all this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 I've read every word of this thread, and now I dont feel so good. Well, hopefully this is the year we feel horrible in the offseason and great come week 16... But thats what you get for reading a Redskins message board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expensivegift Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 I would gladly trade the 6th pick overall for Ozzie Newsome. :laugh: I agree:cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Adama Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 I am still wondering if Vinny really did say he doesn't draft D Linemen on the first day. Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImmortalDragon Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 I am still wondering if Vinny really did say he doesn't draft D Linemen on the first day. Anyone? Because he refuses common sense to enter between his ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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