rebornempowered Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 To answer your question most people believe Jesus was born 3 BC or perhaps 4 BC. When they put the calendar together they missed by a few years. Not bad though considering what they knew and how long after the fact they put it together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 But, you see Abraham and Moses and all those who predate Christ are going to be judged according to the Abrahamic Covenant. Abraham was reckoned as righteous according to his faithfulness not his works, the same goes for Moses, Christ is simply the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant and the keystone event in the redemption of humanity through faith. Abraham and Moses will be judged upon their faith in God as God had revealed Himself to them, those after Christ will be judged according to their faith in Christ as Christ has been revealed to them in the same manner. What about people that lived before Abraham or Moses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryman of the North Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 saturnalia and some mithraic celebration as well as the solstice, what people forget is that christianity was not always the most powerful religion, for a long time it as no more than a struggling cult and had to be tricky and subvert other religions. The history of chirtsianity is facsinating, as I have stated in other threads I would love to get inside the vatican vaults but alas I am not a priest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raub Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Where do the Buddhists and Hindus go? Where did the Greeks and Phoenicians go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Where do the Buddhists and Hindus go? Where did the Greeks and Phoenicians go? Detroit? :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 What about people that lived before Abraham or Moses? No difference, because the covenant was made with Abraham after he was reckoned as righteous and not before. Abraham and Moses are representative, not causative people in God's history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 No difference, because the covenant was made with Abraham after he was reckoned as righteous and not before. Abraham and Moses are representative, not causative people in God's history. But people couldnt BELIEVE in God before God revealed Himself to them. If you dont believe in God, you dont go to heaven, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Detroit? :whoknows: Nah, dude. Cleveland. ****in' Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 But people couldnt BELIEVE in God before God revealed Himself to them. If you dont believe in God, you dont go to heaven, right? It seems like you are trying to say that God didn't reveal Himself to anyone prior to Abraham, which simply isn't what the Old Testament records, because there were many who had faith in God prior to Abraham; Noah for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashburnskinsfan Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 It seems like you are trying to say that God didn't reveal Himself to anyone prior to Abraham, which simply isn't what the Old Testament records, because there were many who had faith in God prior to Abraham; Noah for instance. Native Americans pre-Columbus? Or anyone outside the middle east region? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Native Americans pre-Columbus? Or anyone outside the middle east region? Is God restrained by geography? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Is God restrained by geography? for those of us who don't believe in god, its easy for us to see him not having been revealed to other continents that have no written record of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Is God restrained by geography? Apparatnly he is if he didnt bother to reveal himself to those areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Apparatnly he is if he didnt bother to reveal himself to those areas. Is God only revealed in the written word? Hmmm, interesting thought, but not one shared by over 10,000 years of the Jewish-Christian belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 for those of us who don't believe in god, its easy for us to see him not having been revealed to other continents that have no written record of him. The key to what you have said, "written record". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashburnskinsfan Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Is God restrained by geography? Apparently the writers of the bible were highly constrained :laugh: and those outside of the Middle East didn't pay any attention to any visits she might have paid them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Apparently the writers of the bible were highly constrained :laugh: and those outside of the Middle East didn't pay any attention to any visits she might have paid them. And what do you base this on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 well that didnt take long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashburnskinsfan Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 And what do you base this on? Polytheism in those regions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Polytheism in those regions? That proves nothing, I'm hoping that you are not basing your statements off the fact that religions were polytheistic, because there were religions in the Middle East that were polytheistic does that mean that God did not reveal Himself there either? Heck, Baal worship was prevelant throughout the Middle East, not to mention the polytheism and idol worship in Babylon and Egypt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Since this question was geared towards Christians, as a geniune question... not as something to start a "peeing contest" lets keep it in good taste please... before this gets out of hand. Now to anwser the questions above. Since the Christian Faith believes mankind started by God creating two adults "Adam" & "Eve". Adam & Eve had children, and even possibly had children before "original sin" in the garden. According to Genisis; Adam & Eve had Cain & Abel. We know that Cain Killed Abel. "Genesis 4:8 Now Cain talked with Abel his brother; and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him." then, the punishment Gen 4: 12 When you till the ground, it shall no longer yield its strength to you. A fugitive and a vagabond you shall be on the earth.” 13 And Cain said to the LORD, “My punishment is greater than I can bear! 14 Surely You have driven me out this day from the face of the ground; I shall be hidden from Your face; I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond on the earth, and it will happen that anyone who finds me will kill me.” (Notice already other cities, and people.) Genesis 4:16 [ The Family of Cain ] Then Cain went out from the presence of the LORD and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. ------------------------------------------------ Then according to the bible: Noah, and the Flood. My whole point is Adam & Eve knew who God was, and relationship with God was either passed on or skiped depending on the person. From Adam to Noah is was about 939 years, and by the time Noah & his family were alive they were the only ones who were followers of God. Adam lived 930 years. So just say each family had 5 kids each. I don't know how many people could have been on the earth after 1800 years, but I'm thinking enough to spread out, or enough for a few crazy enough to see what else was out there. Then you have to consider the Flood. After the flood wiped everyone off the earth except Noah's family. Thus they had to repopulate the earth again. So you have the same situation all over again, but same results. Some people kept the belief system, and others left it. People went off and started doing their own thing, and populated the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blighty Skins Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I'm Catholic, but I hate my religion. Don't worry...I hate yours too. I prefered the Romans who had hundreds of Gods for nearly every situation. I'm still Catholic though, I'm ashamed to admit. I don't respect preists or nuns anymore though. I'll talk to them like I talk my milkman or any other bod. If they want my respect they'll have to urn it :laugh: ...get it? urn...never mind. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwoody86 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Alright I have three scenarios, that I have asked Christians before and gotten shaky answers at best: 1. What happens to the present day (hypothetical) Amazonian who has never seen or heard of Jesus Christ and no missonaries have ever visited? 2. What happens to a baby that is killed after baptism who never chose or rejected Jesus? 3. What happens to a baby that is killed before baptism? /aborted fetuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Alright I have three scenarios, that I have asked Christians before and gotten shaky answers at best:1. What happens to the present day (hypothetical) Amazonian who has never seen or heard of Jesus Christ and no missonaries have ever visited? 2. What happens to a baby that is killed after baptism who never chose or rejected Jesus? 3. What happens to a baby that is killed before baptism? /aborted fetuses. 1 It is my belief that you can come to know God w/o reading or hearing about him,simply through observing his creation and the Holy Spirit. I differ from a lot of Christians in that I believe while Jesus is the means of our salvation a person can be saved by simply trusting God. 2+3 Age of accountability...Untill you reach the age you can divine right and wrong you have a free ride. Baptism is not a requirement for salvation,simply a pictorial ordinance signifying your rebirth.(and the death,burial and resurrection of Christ.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raub Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I still want to know what happened to the Egyptians, Phoenicians, Greeks, etc. Dude...Adam lived for 939 years? Sweet! Our life span sure has declined lately. Did they have a calendar 3000 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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