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Stigmata

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Burgold

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Democrats invent porn, but that's not enough, they then invent the internets to distribute the porn.

Gotta love them dems.

What good things have republicans invented?

Republicans invented the IRS. They have regretted it ever since. Was it a good thing... you be the judge. By the way, Republicans invented the IRS specifically to tax porn. Just wanted you to know.

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gchwood

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Both parties have their crooks, and if a third party comes to prominence, THEY'LL have THEIR crooks, too. Politics subjects it's participants to great temptations, and will always attract it's share of crooks.

I agree with this statement!

Power and Money are the biggest corrupting influences in the history of man kind. People will do some of the worst things for money and/or power. Look at it, many(if not most) of the crimes committed are caused by one of those two.

Unfortunately corruption will always happen within politics

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Stigmata

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So stigmata, please share with us...what was the point of this thread? Are you acknowledging Republican corruption but justifying it with Democrat corruption? Are you saying that the Republicans are clean and that the Dems are the ones who should be getting the blame? Or are you just a hack who listens to too much Hannity and can't help himself?
Democratic party has invented cancer, and poverty, and homosexuality, and anything you don't like.
And Porn. Democrats invented porn.

Soon after that, Republicans invented the fig leaf.

LOL.. seems like all i hear is how corrupt the republicans are, look in the mirror. the difference is once facts come out republicans stop defending people who are in jail.

show me a list of an equivalent of republicans that actually were convicted. i want to see it. not smeared not accused but had the goods enough to convict. Democrats cry a good accusation but very rare does it lead to jail. this is the democratic party all they do is make accusations for the purpose of putting a bad light on the headlines.

and the Left wing socialist media are glad to oblige, can you imagine i mean if your truly objective what would have happened to Sandy Burger if he was a republican, the Democrats would find a way to make it headline news for a year.

look at the leader of china today, if a democrat had been in office the person shouting would have been heralded as a saint for being brave for being a leader for human rights, but not in a bush administration its, Bush screws everything up, its i cant believe Bush allowed this to happen, i cant believe Bush is so incompetent.. but you cant see this can you, your so enraged with hate all you can do is agree, yeah man Bush sucks.. this is all you have is Bush sucks... pathetic but affective and this is why its done.

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LOL.. seems like all i hear is how corrupt the republicans are, look in the mirror. the difference is once facts come out republicans stop defending people who are in jail.

I think I've pointed out another difference. Several times. Here. Lately.

Here's a difference:

  • In the '04 election, some volunteer campaign workers working for the D's were llloking for information on their R opponent. They decided to run the guy's credit report without his permission.
    They took the information to their boss, who notofied the R and called the cops. The people who did it were prosecuted. (I think they've been convicted, but I don't know.)
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  • Also in that election, some D campaign workers, the night before the election, found a place where the Rs had some rented vans, to be used to get people to the polls, and slashed the tires.
    They were prosecuted (don't know if they were turned in by other Ds, or if they just got caught) and convicted.
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  • In 2000, Miami-Dade County is preparing to begin recounting their ballots. A group of protestors from across the street storm the building, go to the floor where the counting is begining, enter the hallway outside the counting room, and begin beating on the walls and door of the counting room. Reporters photograph the near-riot.
    When looking at the photos, later, something comes out. Over half of the 'rioters' in the photo, and all of the people in the front of the 'riot', are staff members of Republican members of Congress.
    Not one of them has been disciplined. More than half are still employed by Republican members of Congress. (Most that have left are now Rebublican lobbyists.) More than one have listed their participation in what later came to be referred to as "Rent-a-Riot" on their resumes.
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  • Tom Delay used to have a problem. The House Ethics committ kept looking into his deals. And they kept finding things. And sending the problems to a floor vote. Where, when it actually came time for people to cast votes on the record, fellow Rebublicans were voting to punish him for unethical actions.
    The solution was obvious.
    1. Change the House rules, so that it was now possible for one party to unilaterally block an ethics issue from being sent to the floor. (Instead, both partys had to send the matter out.)
    2. Remove the two Republican members who had voted against Delay, and replace them with Republicans who vote along party lines.

    No more pesky ethics votes on the record.

So please forgive me if I fail to agree with your insistance that "only convictions count" somehow proves moral superiority from the R's, as opposed to being a simple case of "when the R's are in charge, then an R can get photographed in the act of committing a crime, and subsequently list it on his resume, and not get charged."

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In fact, I'll assert that these cases prove the opposite of your assertion.

Here's my assertion:

The actions of (the people who slashed the tires, the people who stole the credit report, Tom Delay), in my examples, revealed the ethics of individuals.

The actions of "too many ethics problems, change the rules and get some loyalists in there", now that says something about the ethics of a Party.

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Predicto

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I think I've pointed out another difference. Several times. Here. Lately.

Here's a difference:

  • In the '04 election, some volunteer campaign workers working for the D's were llloking for information on their R opponent. They decided to run the guy's credit report without his permission.
    They took the information to their boss, who notofied the R and called the cops. The people who did it were prosecuted. (I think they've been convicted, but I don't know.)
    .
  • Also in that election, some D campaign workers, the night before the election, found a place where the Rs had some rented vans, to be used to get people to the polls, and slashed the tires.
    They were prosecuted (don't know if they were turned in by other Ds, or if they just got caught) and convicted.
    .
  • In 2000, Miami-Dade County is preparing to begin recounting their ballots. A group of protestors from across the street storm the building, go to the floor where the counting is begining, enter the hallway outside the counting room, and begin beating on the walls and door of the counting room. Reporters photograph the near-riot.
    When looking at the photos, later, something comes out. Over half of the 'rioters' in the photo, and all of the people in the front of the 'riot', are staff members of Republican members of Congress.
    Not one of them has been disciplined. More than half are still employed by Republican members of Congress. (Most that have left are now Rebublican lobbyists.) More than one have listed their participation in what later came to be referred to as "Rent-a-Riot" on their resumes.
    .
  • Tom Delay used to have a problem. The House Ethics committ kept looking into his deals. And they kept finding things. And sending the problems to a floor vote. Where, when it actually came time for people to cast votes on the record, fellow Rebublicans were voting to punish him for unethical actions.
    The solution was obvious.
    1. Change the House rules, so that it was now possible for one party to unilaterally block an ethics issue from being sent to the floor. (Instead, both partys had to send the matter out.)
    2. Remove the two Republican members who had voted against Delay, and replace them with Republicans who vote along party lines.

    No more pesky ethics votes on the record.

So please forgive me if I fail to agree with your insistance that "only convictions count" somehow proves moral superiority from the R's, as opposed to being a simple case of "when the R's are in charge, then an R can get photographed in the act of committing a crime, and subsequently list it on his resume, and not get charged."

I wish I had the patience to write this. :notworthy

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LOL.. seems like all i hear is how corrupt the republicans are, look in the mirror. the difference is once facts come out republicans stop defending people who are in jail.

show me a list of an equivalent of republicans that actually were convicted. i want to see it. not smeared not accused but had the goods enough to convict. Democrats cry a good accusation but very rare does it lead to jail. this is the democratic party all they do is make accusations for the purpose of putting a bad light on the headlines.

and the Left wing socialist media are glad to oblige, can you imagine i mean if your truly objective what would have happened to Sandy Burger if he was a republican, the Democrats would find a way to make it headline news for a year.

look at the leader of china today, if a democrat had been in office the person shouting would have been heralded as a saint for being brave for being a leader for human rights, but not in a bush administration its, Bush screws everything up, its i cant believe Bush allowed this to happen, i cant believe Bush is so incompetent.. but you cant see this can you, your so enraged with hate all you can do is agree, yeah man Bush sucks.. this is all you have is Bush sucks... pathetic but affective and this is why its done.

Why can't you just admit that both sides are screwed up? Let's not look back on the media's coverage of Clinton with rose colored glasses...he was lambasted on a daily basis just like W.

And for the record, for the 9 years that I have had the privilege to vote, I have always voted republican and plan to do so in the future. I'm not some lefty commie trying to bash anyone...I just hate it when people blindly defend their party.

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dreamingwolf

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See, we don't agree. I say a vote for Yog-Sothoth, with Nyrolethatep as running mate, carries the banner of true evil to which Cthulhu only pretends. :)

You obviously distort facts cause of your party allegiances. Yog is to evil to what clinton is to misogyny, sure clinton was a womanizer but he doesnt hate women. Your boy Yog makes a good appearance as being evil, but when it comes down to it hes all show. Cthulhu as high priest of the old ones, not only embodies evil but gives sermons to the old ones on what is evil. For you to even suggest Yog shows that you want to vote for the lesser of two evils, but you try to come across as evil. You might as well give a beggar a quarter after you spit on him with your attitude.

:silly:

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Jumbo

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You obviously distort facts cause of your party allegiances. Yog is to evil to what clinton is to misogyny, sure clinton was a womanizer but he doesnt hate women. Your boy Yog makes a good appearance as being evil, but when it comes down to it hes all show. Cthulhu as high priest of the old ones, not only embodies evil but gives sermons to the old ones on what is evil. For you to even suggest Yog shows that you want to vote for the lesser of two evils, but you try to come across as evil. You might as well give a beggar a quarter after you spit on him with your attitude.

:silly:

I'll deal with you in the nether realm so as not to hijack this thread ;)

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Stigmata

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I think I've pointed out another difference. Several times. Here. Lately.

The solution was obvious.

    1. Change the House rules, so that it was now possible for one party to unilaterally block an ethics issue from being sent to the floor. (Instead, both partys had to send the matter out.)
    2. Remove the two Republican members who had voted against Delay, and replace them with Republicans who vote along party lines.

    No more pesky ethics votes on the record.

So please forgive me if I fail to agree with your insistence that "only convictions count" somehow proves moral superiority from the R's, as opposed to being a simple case of "when the R's are in charge, then an R can get photographed in the act of committing a crime, and subsequently list it on his resume, and not get charged."

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Edit:

In fact, I'll assert that these cases prove the opposite of your assertion.

Here's my assertion:

The actions of (the people who slashed the tires, the people who stole the credit report, Tom Delay), in my examples, revealed the ethics of individuals.

The actions of "too many ethics problems, change the rules and get some loyalists in there", now that says something about the ethics of a Party.

Yep its an assertion, please show me, provide a link, not just the democrats claiming they changed the rules, you say its an assertion, i can make assertions to and you will scream for evidence and facts, show them to us..

Here ill show you how i can make an assertion, the Democrats look at the fine points of rules when it comes to contributions, they find this loop hole that's so flimsy that will allow them to do XYZ while still not breaking the rules or law.

And as long as they are not breaking the rules or Law hey what can you really say about that, the rules against doing certain things have holes in them. even if its a omg i cant believe you can legal get away with that, but looks like you can.

So the Republicans see what they have done and how they have skirted around the rules on some flimsiest of technicality and so they do the same thing. But the dems claim the Republicans are breaking the rules, while they are doing nothing less then the Dems, and they go to the media and pretend like the way they do it is legal and confuse everyone by saying the republicans are changing the rules, i think the republicans if anything in many ways have copied the dems tactics..Just the Dems lie through there teeth and claim the republicans are breaking rules for doing the exact same thing they do.

Im not a blindly partisan hack, im just sick of the democrats lies, everything it seems they accuse of the republicans they do themselves..

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this ones pretty recent from Judicial watch:

Jerry Doyle Files Complaint Against Nevada Senator

April 19, 2006

Nationally syndicated radio personality Jerry Doyle of The Jerry Doyle Show has filed a formal ethics complaint against Nevada Senator Harry Reid. Doyle filed the complaint as a citizen of the State of Nevada on the basis of a connection between Reid's intervention on behalf of certain Native American tribes and contributions made by these tribes to Reid's tax-exempt political group, the Searchlight Leadership Fund. The ethics complaint was researched and compiled by the Washington watchdog group Judicial Watch. In the document, Doyle alleges that Reid intervened on behalf of Native American tribes from several states including California, Michigan, Louisiana and Mississippi and that Reid consequently received between $40,000 and $66,000 in Abramoff-related donations from four different tribes in those states. Doyle's complaint also noted that Senator Reid has refused to return any of the money that he received from those tribes while serving on the Senate Indian Affairs Committee.

"With all the free trips, free drinks, private jets, and an explosion of lobbying on Capitol Hill, the problem with impropriety, corruption, political favors and bribery in Washington, D.C. has become so obvious it's hard to see," comments Doyle.

Furthermore, Doyle has posted a letter on his Web site, JerryDoyle.com, that listeners can download, sign and send to Congress as a call to end corruption. The Jerry Doyle Show covers a mix of politics, pop culture and lifestyle topics and airs on over 225 radio stations.

AND: I agree, the independent Republican was removed from the Ethics committee and 2 more republicans were put on the committee to essentially shut it down...

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