The Post has us trimming our 2006 cap number from $113 million to below $90 million..

[Die Hard]

BTW....You say Adam works for the NFL[i'm not sure of that} and therefore he provides the real numbers[i'm sure of that] but you say we don't have the real numbers so why bother. What gives?

Because Adam will get you contact numbers that sometimes aren't published by the Washington Post in a new signing. On some low-name signings.

Adam never gives incentive clauses, roster bonuses, and all kinds of contractual details (Pro Bowl money, work out money, etc). So does he provide some knowledge? Yes. But it's certainly not enough to warrant being an expert about hard numbers.

Why didn't PCinOZ point out all those wonderful savings the team could have made by restructuring Brunell, Jansen, Thomas, etc? In his scenario, he anticipated all these "cuts". Why didn't he talk about all the clauses in the Redskins players contracts that anticipated the contracts being restructure in case the CBA wasn't extended - which was reported? Why didn't Adam make this public? Why didn't PCinOZ know that?

There's only 1 true expert that knows what's going on in Redskins Park. That's Eric Schaffer. Not ProFootballTalk.com, not ESPN.com, and not the people who compile their information FROM those sources.

There's a lot of information to be discussed and disseminated among football fans.... but having a true appreciation of a team's cap situation is reserved for a small few within the organization. I came to that realization a long time ago.

Art might boast he knows a lot about NFL footall and the Redskins... but he's never been a fool enough to project the Skins cap and cap situation.

Sure, it's idle speculation... and we're entitled to talk about it. But that's not what you are Westbrook are doing... you're PREACHING about it. Like you actually know.... and you really need to back off that stance.

[TK]

Me and Shaffer just had coffee....talked over a few things.

Allow me to burst your bubble. His name is Schaffer & unlike the imaginary land in-which you live in, I've actually had lunch with him & talked over a few things.

That said, Westy, you're no Eric Schaffer, so until you've actually done his job & actually seen what NFL contracts look like, quit preaching like you do.

Perhaps you should tke Kenny Rogers advice & know when hold em, know when to fold em, & know when to shut up & walk away.

[ECU-ALUM]

Regardless of how this thing goes Eric Schaffer has certainly earned his pay-check this week that is for sure.

[zoony]

I am in favor of an uncapped NFL if for no other reason than my favorite football message boards will not be clogged and weighted down by endless posts about contracts and money and cap and CBA rules and numbers and crap.

Fact is, if you are not a financial specialist with the team, you don't know ****.

End of subject.

How 'bout we stick to football? You know... oblong pigskins and all that stuff. Leave the bean counting to the people who (a) know what they're doing and ( have access to relevant and confidential information.

[MrSilverMaC]

I admire anyone who takes the time to master the intricacies of 'capology'. Its great, and you are right, there are mb's out there that do an outstanding job - no question about it. And on a broader front, I admire all of our fellow boards - its a tribute to Skins-fandom that we have so many great ones.

That being said, theres no reason to take shots at our membership. On every board there is a range of knowledge, from novice to savvy. Its true everywhere.

I think the funniest part is having the balls to criticize the fans on this board, to insult our drive to know, while still managing to be completely wrong about the same situation they claim to know.

None of them have managed to step up and say "Hey, you know what, I was wrong". No, never that. Only insults and attempts to twist from the truth, that they, in the end, are just as clueless as those they ridicule.

But the deadline is almost here, and we'll see who's right about cap hell, and who's not. Let's see what they say then.

Hail.

[Jumbo]

Its been an interesting thread, certainly. I have always identified myself as being relatively ignorant of cap matters. I am used to employing critical thinking in my line of work, however.

The posts below offer what, to my limited perception, are the most key points that I have teased from the thread. Fittingly, they emerge at its end.

Die Hard

There's only 1 true expert that knows what's going on in Redskins Park. That's Eric Schaffer. Not ProFootballTalk.com, not ESPN.com, and not the people who compile their information FROM those sources.

There's a lot of information to be discussed and disseminated among football fans.... but having a true appreciation of a team's cap situation is reserved for a small few within the organization.

Sure, it's idle speculation... and we're entitled to talk about it. But that's not what you are Westbrook are doing... you're PREACHING about it. Like you actually know.... and you really need to back off that stance.

TK

Allow me to burst your bubble. His name is Schaffer & unlike the imaginary land in-which you live in, I've actually had lunch with him & talked over a few things.

That said, Westy, you're no Eric Schaffer, so until you've actually done his job & actually seen what NFL contracts look like, quit preaching like you do.

Zoony

Fact is, if you are not a financial specialist with the team, you don't know ****.

MrSilverMac

I think the funniest part is having the balls to criticize the fans on this board, to insult our drive to know, while still managing to be completely wrong about the same situation they claim to know.

I would add that for all the crap he was given, bubba was, in the end, more right about what mattered than his opposition who did present themselves, in my opinion, as wannabe experts, no slam intended.

[bubba9497]

I would add that for all the crap he was given, bubba was, in the end, more right about what mattered than his opposition who did present themselves, in my opinion, as wannabe experts, no slam intended.

Thanks :notworthy

but Westy will claim I have homefield advantage :laugh:

[Whiskeypeet]

I think the funniest part is having the balls to criticize the fans on this board, to insult our drive to know, while still managing to be completely wrong about the same situation they claim to know.

None of them have managed to step up and say "Hey, you know what, I was wrong". No, never that. Only insults and attempts to twist from the truth, that they, in the end, are just as clueless as those they ridicule.

Great post.

And you are right, assuming that as reported the Redskins end up under the cap without "major" cuts we won't hear a thing from our "experts."

[Joey T]

Geesh, what a thread! Very entertaining :applause:

I love this place

[Pocono]

I think the funniest part is having the balls to criticize the fans on this board, to insult our drive to know, while still managing to be completely wrong about the same situation they claim to know.

None of them have managed to step up and say "Hey, you know what, I was wrong". No, never that. Only insults and attempts to twist from the truth, that they, in the end, are just as clueless as those they ridicule.

But the deadline is almost here, and we'll see who's right about cap hell, and who's not. Let's see what they say then.

Hail.

Interesting post. In the beginning you pretend to know enough to state who is right and who is wrong and at the end you say we'll see who is right and who is wrong. You manage to do all that in three paragraphs.

You might not understand and it wouldn't make you any the less of a person or a fan if you didn't but the only people who have been proved absolutely wrong so far are those that said all along those existing roster bonuses could be automatically guaranteed and prorated even if they violate the 30% rule. And you know what none of them have had the balls to step up and say " I was wrong."

I understand the Skin's cap people know more than any fan but so do the Colt's cap people and if you were paying attention you'd know they had roster bonuses they wanted to prorate stuffed back in their face by the Special Master this week because they weren't allowed to do so because they violated the 30% rule.

[Whiskeypeet]

You might not understand and it wouldn't make you any the less of a person or a fan if you didn't but the only people who have been proved absolutely wrong so far are those that said all along those existing roster bonuses could be automatically guaranteed and prorated even if they violate the 30% rule. And you know what none of them have had the balls to step up and say " I was wrong."

Clearly you are a guy that gets a few things about cap economics.

Unfortunately for you most fans really don't have the same interest so high level discussion about such things is about all you are generally going to get. Consequently not many are going to care if you were wright or wrong about the 30% rule.

However, what most fans do get is that you have come to a Redskins message board for the specific purpose of preaching doom and gloom about the Redskin cap situation.

From recent indications it looks like you were wrong about that situation. And that means a hell of a lot more to most people here than the 30% rule.

So if the Redskins' FO comes out of this smelling like a rose, contrary to your assertions and motivations for being here in the first place, will you admit you were wrong?

Because you should and the longer you keep this up the more foolish you are looking.

[GSF]

Just so you know bubba.....

Your argueing with the foremost cap expert on the internet. I would bet he knows the cap better than the Redskins front office.

Carry on....

Oh man...that is the dumbest thing I've read on here in a long time. Damn Ken, I know you're a cowboy fan and all, but come on man.