RawBBQSauce Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Prosecutor: Co-pilot deliberately crashed Flight 9525 Doug Stanglin, Jane Onyanga-Omara and John Bacon, USA TODAY 9:31 a.m. EDT March 26, 2015 Search and rescue workers at the crash site of the Germanwings Airbus A320 in the French Alps.(Photo: Guillaume Horcajuelo, EPA The co-pilot of the Germanwings flight that crashed in the French Alps deliberately worked to destroy the plane while passengers screamed in terror and the pilot pounded on the ****pit door, a French prosecutor said at a news conference Thursday in Marseille. "This was voluntary, this was deliberate," Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said. "He refused to open the cabin door in order to let the pilot back in. I repeat. He refused to let the pilot back in. He is the one who pressed the button that allowed the plane to begin descending and lose altitude." The information was obtained from the ****pit voice recorder of doomed Flight 9525, which took a sudden, eight-minute descent before smashing into the mountains Tuesday. The data recorder has not yet been found. Robin said the co-pilot, identified as German national Andreas Lubitz, 28, was not on a terror watch list. Robin said Lubitz said nothing during the descent, but could be heard breathing until the crash. "The co-pilot is the only one in the ****pit,' Robin said. "While he is alone he somehow manipulated the buttons on the flight monitoring system. He was alone at the helm of this Airbus 320. Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/26/germanwings-plane-crash/70473800/ They're also saying the pilot was not on the "Terror Watch List", however accurate that assessment may actually be... Scary stuff nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Absolutely terrifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Such a coward. The poor families of the people who perished. So sad. Also, ****pit ****pit ****pit. Penispit, dickpit, dongpit. Ballspit. Just checking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Horrible for everyone. The terror the passengers must have felt when they realized what was happening It has to be added since he doesn't appear to be Muslim this won't be declared any sort of terrorism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Prosecutor gave many details today. The most horrifying being hearing the sound of the aircraft bouncing on the hill and the screams of the passengers through the armored cokpit door. The breath of the co-pilot was normal all the way, no sign of any stress, or physical problem. He just didn't say any word, no response to the pilot, no response to the ground control. Imagine what the parents of the co-pilot feel now, the loss of their son, and someone who will be remembered as a mass murderer. I'm no psychiatrist, so I don't understand people who are willing to sacrifice other people's life when they commit suicide. I've been talking to a friend of mine who was on an airplane crash rescue mission. He told me the most difficult part is the beginning when they drop you on site, the death smell. Then, he said it's about collecting the body parts which is becoming something robotic, it's like the brain functions are only focused on the task at hand and the emotional part is shut down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 It has to be added since he doesn't appear to be Muslim this won't be declared any sort of terrorism 1) No, it doesn't have to be added. You just wanted to get an agenda in. 2) And it may not be terrorism. (Although, if I had to bet, that would be the way I'd bet.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The airline I worked for had a protocol for crew vacating the ****pit during flight operations. If the captain or FO had to leave the flightdeck for any reason, another cabin crew member (the flight attendant) would occupy the empty seat in the flight deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 How does one keep a suicidal pilot from downing a plane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 It's as much terrorism as a white guy walking into a movie theater shooting the place up is. Take that for what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The airline I worked for had a protocol for crew vacating the ****pit during flight operations. If the captain or FO had to leave the flightdeck for any reason, another cabin crew member (the flight attendant) would occupy the empty seat in the flight deck. I think they said on the news this morning that is largely an American policy/protocol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 They're also saying the pilot was not on the "Terror Watch List", however accurate that assessment may actually be... Scary stuff nonetheless. Well I certainly hope they don't allow pilots to fly that are on the terrorist watch list takes a special kind of person to drive a plane full of folk into the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I think they said on the news this morning that is largely an American policy/protocol. Correct, this is not a requirement in Europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 This is horrifying. There needs to be some sort of way to override the locks to the ****pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I think they said on the news this morning that is largely an American policy/protocol. It should be every airlines protocol. My company was very strict about it, in fact they wanted us to relieve ourselves before pushback to avoid having the flight deck door open during flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 This is horrifying. There needs to be some sort of way to override the locks to the ****pit. Unless you put an armed air marshall on every flight, the last thing I think the TSA (or the international equivalent) wants to do it provide access to the pilots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Unless you put an armed air marshall on every flight, the last thing I think the TSA (or the international equivalent) wants to do it provide access to the pilots. After 9/11, all flight deck doors on US passenger aircraft were fitted with bulletproof material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Andreas Lubitz interrupted his pilot training in 2013. CEO of Lufthansa refused to comment about it, saying in Germany even after the death, the medical record is protected (duty of confidentiality). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawBBQSauce Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 Well I certainly hope they don't allow pilots to fly that are on the terrorist watch list Good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Unless you put an armed air marshall on every flight, the last thing I think the TSA (or the international equivalent) wants to do it provide access to the pilots. The alternative is having the flight crew locked out to helplessly await their deaths if a pilot decides to murder everyone. There needs to be something they can do. Put some sort of security on every flight then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 After 9/11, all flight deck doors on US passenger aircraft were fitted with bulletproof material. I meant in order to shoot/deter anyone trying to illegally gain access to an override of the flight doors. I didn't think it was possible to do either - which means that this is a lose/lose situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The alternative is having the flight crew locked out to helplessly await their deaths if a pilot decides to murder everyone. There needs to be something they can do. Put some sort of security on every flight then. This is a horrible tragedy however such a rare rare occurance I just don't think anyone would go through that cost. There have been what, 6 of these (including 9/11) in the last 20 years where there is a suicidal pilot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The alternative is having the flight crew locked out to helplessly await their deaths if a pilot decides to murder everyone. There needs to be something they can do. Put some sort of security on every flight then. Yes, but the odds of the pilot deliberately ditching the plane vs armed hijackers gaining access to the controls is probably why there exists this situation in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 This is horrifying. There needs to be some sort of way to override the locks to the ****pit. There is a way that someone on the outside can punch in a secret code to gain access, but anyone remaining in the cocpit can override it. Here's a short video showing how the kockpit door works on an Airbus320... badly acted but informative: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 This is a horrible tragedy however such a rare rare occurance I just don't think anyone would go through that cost. There have been what, 6 of these (including 9/11) in the last 20 years where there is a suicidal pilot? I remember the suicide of the egyptian pilot causing over 200 deaths. The one that happened here is different from all others because of the young age of the pilot. He probably plotted it weeks, months ago, since there is no way to anticipate the captain leaving the ****pit to go to the restroom on a 2 hours flight. The voice recorder indicated that the conversation was friendly between both of them, and right after the captain said that he will later leave the ****pit the conversation became laconic with only very quick and short answers from the co-pilot to the captain's questions/requests. Right now the families are arriving on site for a memorial ceremony. Flags are being deployed, including Stars and Stripes alongside the German and Spanish flags. Most of the people of Seyne les Alpes offered free housing to the families of the victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Pilot Suicide incidents are extremely rare. There's only been 12 on commercial airliners since 1979, and several of those are disputed. CNN will blow this up like they did Malaysia Air and freak everyone out again. I remember flying on the anniversary of 9/11, we only had 6 passengers on a flight from Chicago to Oklahoma City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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