Paul Cumberland Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 RG3 and Failed Completions by CHASE STUART on SEPTEMBER 12, 2014 in STATGEEKERY Full article link: http://www.footballperspective.com/rg3-and-failed-completions/ Since 1940, there have been 616 times where a team rushed for at least 125 yards and completed at least 75% of its passes. On Sunday, when Washington pulled off that feat against the Texans, they became the first team to fail to score double digit points in the process. In the second half, both RG3 and Niles Paul lost fumbles inside the Houston 10-yard line; that obviously contributed to the team failing to score more than 6 points. But Griffin’s 78.4% completion percentage was also pretty misleading. Griffin’s average throw went just 5.8 yards in the air, and his average completion covered just 3.9 yards before including his receiver’s yards gained after the catch. Both of those averages put ranked 30th among 32 qualifying passers. But while short throws can be part of an effective offense, on Sunday, that wasn’t the case for Washington. Consider: A 4th and 10 completion to Roy Helu for 6 yards A 3rd and 16 completion (on the Washington 15) to Helu for 9 yards A 3rd and 13 completion to DeSean Jackson for 0 yards A 2nd and 25 completion to Jackson for 0 yards A 2nd and 19 completion to Pierre Garcon for 3 yards A 2nd and 14 completion to Logal Paulsen for -3 yards A 2nd and 8 completion to Garcon for 3 yards A 2nd and 1 completion to Jackson for 0 yards Four 1st and 10 completions to Jordan Reed, Paulsen, Paul, and Darrel Young for 4, 3, 2, and 1 yard(s), respectively. Sure, Griffin completed 29 of his 37 passes, but 12 of his completions did little or nothing to help his offense. He also was sacked three times. As a result, just 17 of his 40 dropbacks — or 42.5% — were successful completions. . . . To continue reading, click the link posted above.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradboyd80 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Geezus......as if we didn't already beat this up enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Geezus......as if we didn't already beat this up enough. Perfect comment. 75% completion rate and we're complaining about failed completions. Talk about ax grinding. The problem was the fumbles, the blocks, and the number of hurries and pressures. RGIII actually had a pretty good game. Certainly nothing worth the amount of doomsday talk that keeps vomiting from pens or keyboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 First time ever? Wow. Probably should have scored more. It felt like the hand of god was blocking the end zone when I was watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradboyd80 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Edit: ah, nevermind....forget it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor 36 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I swear, I've never in my life heard so much complaining about completions. Much less saying a completion did nothing to help an offense. Most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Thats because you weren't around when Mark Brunell broke the consecutive completion record in 2006. Some of the exact same posters who want to look just at the numbers of RGIII were complaining about how short the throws Brunell threw in that game were, and said the numbers were skewed. It's always laughable when the stats people get choosy about which stats count and which ones don't. Amazingly, it always seems to be the stats that support their argument that they find acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theTruthTeller Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I have a hard time blaming this on RG3. It would be different if he was bailing out and dumping the ball to AlMo for 2 yards. But if Garcon and DJ are running 1 yard patterns, who is he is supposed to throw to? It was obviously part of the Skins' plan to avoid sacks by using a lot of quick passes, and it worked out for the Texans in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradboyd80 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Thats because you weren't around when Mark Brunell broke the consecutive completion record in 2006. Some of the exact same posters who want to look just at the numbers of RGIII were complaining about how short the throws Brunell threw in that game were, and said the numbers were skewed. It's always laughable when the stats people get choosy about which stats count and which ones don't. Amazingly, it always seems to be the stats that support their argument that they find acceptable. Yeah, I remember that and understand. I think tomorrow just can't get here soon enough so we can stop talking about this nonsense and people will at least have something different to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Short passes are not a problem. If you think so, you need to start watching more teams around the league. The deeper the pass the lower % it gets completed. People watch highlight reels of teams connecting on long passes and then get a skewed view that certain teams do that all game long. What is missing from our offense is the execution by the blockers and rest of offense once a short pass is completed. I posted the highlights from the 2006 game vs The Texans in a thread a couple days ago. The majority of passes caught were short, but the YAC was a lot better than it was for us last week. Guys like Kap and Wilson have made short careers so far out of short high % passes that end up being big plays for reasons beyond the short pass itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Short passes are not a problem. If you think so, you need to start watching more teams around the league. The deeper the pass the lower % it gets completed. Not going deep IS a problem. If all you throw is short passes, defenses will play you tight. The Skins seem to rarely take a chance on the deep ball. Sometimes you need to go deep just to keep things honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Not going deep IS a problem. If all you throw is short passes, defenses will play you tight. The Skins seem to rarely take a chance on the deep ball. Sometimes you need to go deep just to keep things honest. I can agree with that point. We definitely need to at least attempt more deep passes. Even if guys are covered, Robert should just throw it over everyone's heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFromYellowstone Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Our 3rd year QB who we gave up a kings ransom for is playing like Alex Smith....ugh. For what we gave up he should be capable of a lot more than this less than 5 yards crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSO Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Not going deep IS a problem. If all you throw is short passes, defenses will play you tight. The Skins seem to rarely take a chance on the deep ball. Sometimes you need to go deep just to keep things honest. I'd normally agree with you here, but the funny thing is the Texans defense WAS honest. They were playing their DBs backed off the entire game. That's the point of what you're saying here. If they're playing "tight", threaten them deep so that they back off, right? The only thing they were doing that could be considered a little "cheating" was with having one of their Safeties spy Robert or play closer to the LOS. We should've been able to capitalize on that more and we didn't. Hitting Niles down the middle on that pass was beautiful, but it ended badly and we didn't do it enough. It was actually quite ridiculous how available those 3-5 yard hitches were. Our biggest problem was getting off schedule and having those sacks or penalties that would back us up and make it impossible to take advantage of that soft coverage. I think this article is more of an indictment on the Oline and Gruden's playcalling more than anything else. That being said, we don't know how much of his playcalling was the Oline and how much of it was protecting Robert from himself. Only Gruden and McVay really know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jandre002 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Our 3rd year QB who we gave up a kings ransom for is playing like Alex Smith....ugh. For what we gave up he should be capable of a lot more than this less than 5 yards crap. he's capable of more, game plan called for less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheItalianStallion Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 And yet he had a respectable 7.2 ypa...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor 36 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Yeah, I remember that and understand. I think tomorrow just can't get here soon enough so we can stop talking about this nonsense and people will at least have something different to complain about. I hope tomorrow will go well enough that we can have a relatively compliant-less week around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommandB11 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 That has got to be the most ridiculous metric I have ever seen..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Our 3rd year QB who we gave up a kings ransom for is playing like Alex Smith....ugh. For what we gave up he should be capable of a lot more than this less than 5 yards crap. This is the most ridiculous argument of the whole RGIII deal. Giving up more picks to acquire someone doesn't speed up the development process nor does it mean said player shouldn't need to go through the development of becoming an NFL level passer. We gave up the picks because of what RGIII can become and acting as though he should be ahead of everyone else because we dealt picks away to get him makes little to no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 It's not that throwing short passes is a bad thing. However, I'm not a huge fan of the types of short routes that we throw. Hitches, hooks, and smoke screens aren't YAC conducive routes. Drags and slants give much more YAC possibility because the receiver is moving when he catches the ball. With the speed in the NFL, it's hard to go from stationary to full tilt without getting wrapped up first. I want to see more routes that lead our receivers down the field, even if they are close to the LOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFromYellowstone Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 This is the most ridiculous argument of the whole RGIII deal. Giving up more picks to acquire someone doesn't speed up the development process nor does it mean said player shouldn't need to go through the development of becoming an NFL level passer. We gave up the picks because of what RGIII can become and acting as though he should be ahead of everyone else because we dealt picks away to get him makes little to no sense. You don't give up 2 firsts and a second for someone that is still working on his "fundamentals" in year 3. Look at any other QB drafted that high in the past few years. By year 3 A LOT is expected of you. Robert is looking like Alex Smith while Luck and Wilson are moving on to super bowls, and this is after Robert looked better than both his rookie year. Honestly if they keep playing Robert how they've been showing so far you could get more than a few journeymen to run the same offense and probably more effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 When Watt wrecks your OL and turn 2nd and 1 into a 4th and 1 punt in your 1st series any OC quickly has second thoughts about throwing deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradboyd80 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 You don't give up 2 firsts and a second for someone that is still working on his "fundamentals" in year 3. Look at any other QB drafted that high in the past few years. By year 3 A LOT is expected of you. Robert is looking like Alex Smith while Luck and Wilson are moving on to super bowls, and this is after Robert looked better than both his rookie year. Honestly if they keep playing Robert how they've been showing so far you could get more than a few journeymen to run the same offense and probably more effectively. Luck has made it to a Super Bowl? I must have missed that. And based on current level of play, Smith is a poor example; he stunk it up last week. Griffin did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qdeathstar Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 To me, that sounds like bad play calling then? Jay Gruden doesn't seem like the guy who has the mental acuity to be a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 ----------------------------------------------------- We're getting trolled by a troll thread. Those that have given up on Griffin will bash him for anything short of top 10 production. And when Griffin starts playing like we know he can they'll be quiet again. It's only a matter of time before Griff makes them shut the blood clot ------------------------------------------ FACT: Week 1 Luck had fewer air yards, YPA and comp % then Griffin. Some posters are just full of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qdeathstar Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Our 3rd year QB who we gave up a kings ransom for is playing like Alex Smith....ugh. For what we gave up he should be capable of a lot more than this less than 5 yards crap. It depends on what the coach is calling. Also, he isn't throwing int after int. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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