Dallsux Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Originally posted by Skins11 The Ravens blew a ton of picks to move up and draft Boller, so hopefully they can blow a bunch more to get Coles. :ravensuck They don't seem to be a very smart team in the Ravens FO. They have a very difficult time signing WR. Why is that? Last year, it was TO, this year, so far, it's Moss. They either can't get the bids high enough or the players don't want to go there. Hmm...I wonder why? Maybe they will be willing to give us a whole bunch for Coles. Maybe they'll trade Ray Lewis for him. That'd be pretty funny. :ravensuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpickering Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Originally posted by Cskin If I were the Redskins, the Vikings would be the first club I would contact. I'd offer: Coles AND Samuels for #7 and McKinnie. The Redskins would then have #7 and #9 and could get Williams at #7 and trade the #9 down to accumulate additional 1st day picks. Twice if they have to... and then identify OL (Baas...Brown....Spencer)..... DL (Tuck...Roth.... Pollack).... and a corner. Of course, the Vikes would have to take the $5m cap hit for Coles. They'd have a new wideout to replace Moss, a franchise LT.... and the #18 pick to go defense. That is not a bad idea at all. How has McKinnie performed up to this point? I know that people are down on trading up but in some cases it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Originally posted by fpickering That is not a bad idea at all. How has McKinnie performed up to this point? I know that people are down on trading up but in some cases it makes sense. wouldn't trading Coles and Samuels be like $14 million cap hit? edit: I didn't see the last sentence of your post the 1st time:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCRoughrider Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Originally posted by warren At least we can keep that "Core" together. That whats important. Coles will play hard for us next year...he's gone after it anyways! The problem Coles has with Joe Gibbs' offense be solved by Joe Gibbs' offense reverting back to a typical Joe Gibbs' offense, as opposed to what it was last year. Coles' problem shows more his ignorance of Redskins' history than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry wilburn Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 I hope Samuels isn't the reason that talks broke down. I'd have a lot more confidence if the FO suddenly realized that a move that would create dead cap space to the tune of over 10% of our total cap was the STUPIDEST MOVE EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 ahhhhhhhhhh..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atloldskin Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 CSkin, you are a genius. Email your idea to Danny right now! I love the trade for both teams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUSTINMFOX Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Originally posted by thinker . We are going to have to probably overpay Samuels because he has us by the short ones. Good call..if Lenny is right about us giving him the highest signing bonus in Redskins history... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Originally posted by jbooma Maybe we need to thank Nunyo now, I am thinking had he not reported the deal with Coles then the skins might have stayed with it and released it. After he wrote the article about the deal the skins realized it was a mistake and said no, and said they would only trade him. I still don't like keeping an unhappy coles with a bad toe on this team. Either you aren't sleeping very well these days or you finally found that sense of humor. Good joke if that's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtyler42 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Originally posted by Cskin If I were the Redskins, the Vikings would be the first club I would contact. I'd offer: Coles AND Samuels for #7 and McKinnie. The Redskins would then have #7 and #9 and could get Williams at #7 and trade the #9 down to accumulate additional 1st day picks. Twice if they have to... and then identify OL (Baas...Brown....Spencer)..... DL (Tuck...Roth.... Pollack).... and a corner. Of course, the Vikes would have to take the $5m cap hit for Coles. They'd have a new wideout to replace Moss, a franchise LT.... and the #18 pick to go defense. The only thing w/this trade is that Coles and Samuels combined cap hit for us would be around $14-15 Mil and we just cant afford that...If their werent the cap restraints I would love this deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 What cap hit? Samuels is in the last year of his deal...there is little remaining SB left... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 We don't take a cap hit by cutting /tradingSamuels. We save $5 Mil. And we take a $6 Mil cap hit for cutting/trading Coles. Thats a net loss of $1 Mil on the cap. Not too bad. We would clear up a TON of space in 06 and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dahogs Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 "According to a source familiar with the situation, the potential for a Coles-Moss trade has greatly diminished for an unspecified reason." ESPN is reporting that Coles wanted a new contract from the Jets if he were traded there, thereby scaring the Jets out of the running for a trade deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Worthy Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Originally posted by dahogs "According to a source familiar with the situation, the potential for a Coles-Moss trade has greatly diminished for an unspecified reason." ESPN is reporting that Coles wanted a new contract from the Jets if he were traded there, thereby scaring the Jets out of the running for a trade deal. La-turn-on-us Coles is getting on my last nerves now. Im sure the only person that new he wanted a bigger contract if tradeed was him and his agent:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 since when can a player under contract demand a new deal in a trade?? when the trade hinged on a restructure on Coles part about the roster bonus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 *******updated*********** Coles-Moss Deal 'Unlikely' Gibbs Says Keeping Redskins Receiver Is a Possibility By Nunyo Demasio Washington Post Staff Writer http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A56736-2005Feb26?language=printer INDIANAPOLIS, Feb. 26 -- Coach Joe Gibbs said Saturday that the potential trade of unhappy wide receiver Laveranues Coles to the New York Jets for wide receiver Santana Moss is "unlikely." Gibbs declined to be expansive, but added that the Redskins would retain Coles for the 2005 season if the club didn't receive value for their No. 1 receiver. Washington hasn't been able to reach an agreement to restructure left tackle Chris Samuels's contract -- necessary to make any deal for Coles because it would create the requisite room to absorb the massive salary cap hit the Redskins would incur. Coles has declined to forfeit a $5 million bonus due April 1, which would make it easier for Washington to complete a trade, because he believes the Redskins reneged on an agreement to release him for giving up the money. However, sources said that the trade collapsed Saturday morning when the Jets contacted Coles for the first time after gaining permission from the Redskins. According to two sources with knowledge of the meeting, New York was concerned that Coles desired a contract extension for being dealt without his approval, and would be a risk to remain disgruntled. Sources said that although Coles was obligated to report if dealt, New York grew uncomfortable with the situation. "I'd say it's not very likely," Gibbs said of the trade during a news conference. "That's my general feeling on it. But like I said, we value him, so if we work out something with a team, we would do that." Several teams -- including the Baltimore Ravens, Chicago Bears and Minnesota Vikings -- have expressed interest in Coles, sources said. But the Coles-Moss trade was so firm, one source said, that an understanding existed that Moss -- scheduled to be a free agent in 2006 -- would have received an extension from Washington after March 2, when trades can become official. The Redskins held out faint hope Saturday that the trade will be rekindled with more discussions, sources said. Even if the Redskins find another trade partner, they would be hard-pressed to jettison Coles -- whose $35 million contract expires in 2010 -- unless Samuels restructures via an extension. Friday, the Redskins and Samuels's agent, Jimmy Sexton, didn't seriously negotiate after exchanging messages reiterating their positions. But both sides were expected to restart negotiations Saturday. They have a self-imposed deadline of Tuesday, when all NFL teams must be under the salary cap. "Laveranues Coles is a very valuable guy," Gibbs said. "If we can work something out with somebody, that would be fine. If not, he'll probably remain a Redskin. He's very valuable and we think we would have to have some real value [for him]. That's a simple statement and I won't elaborate on anything else." Gibbs's only specific response to questions about trading Coles was that Washington would almost certainly not send him to an NFC East rival. (Dallas Cowboys Coach Bill Parcells is expected to attempt to acquire a top receiver during the offseason.) Coles has told close teammates that he will play characteristically hard if forced to return. He kept his desire to leave mostly secret, allowing only a few teammates to know. However, several players believe that retaining Coles will cause too much of a distraction in the locker room. By midseason, Coles occasionally made private remarks critical of the offense, one offensive starter said, and once invoked Steve Spurrier's name because of the former coach's pass-oriented offense. "You don't want to have somebody that doesn't want to be there," said linebacker Antonio Pierce in a phone interview. "If he's unhappy, he's going to make other people unhappy. We don't need that kind of negativity. "L.C. plays hard, and guys respected him for that. But you need everybody on the same page. He wasn't a distraction, but you could tell he wasn't happy. If he came back, he would definitely be a distraction." When Gibbs was asked Saturday about that possibility, he referred reporters to his brief remarks about Coles. Gibbs, who took responsibility for Washington's 30th-ranked offense, was asked if he has a philosophy for players who want out. "Every situation is different," Gibbs responded. "You have to work your way through it." Quarterback Patrick Ramsey, who has reclaimed his starting role, apparently would welcome Coles. According to a source close to Ramsey, he was stunned by Coles's desire to leave. Before Ramsey lost his job following the 2003 season, the two had formed a rapport as Coles finished with 82 catches and 1,204 yards plus a team-high six touchdowns. Right guard Randy Thomas praised Coles for not making his displeasure public last season while performing with spirit. But Thomas added: "If your heart is not here, why even come back in the building?" One veteran defensive player believes that Coles is showing his true colors despite his reputation for being the quintessential team player. "Why doesn't he give Coach a chance?" said the player who joined Washington last season. Linebacker Marcus Washington, like most teammates, was conflicted about the subject: "Whatever decision he makes, he has to live with those consequences. He's a tough guy. He's one of my friends. I don't want him to leave. I don't know all the details, but if I know Laveranues. I don't think Laveranues is quitting on anything." Coles's unhappiness in Washington stemmed from Gibbs's ball-control offense. Although Coles collected a career-high 90 catches -- seventh best in the NFL -- he averaged a career-low 10.6 yards per catch. Last season, sources said Coles met with owner Daniel Snyder and Vice President Vinny Cerrato to request an offseason trade because of the mounting losses coupled with the offense. When questioned Friday about the meeting, Snyder and Cerrato denied that Coles had requested a trade. Late last season Coles voiced his displeasure to Gibbs during a private meeting at Redskins Park. Gibbs acknowledges the meeting but has declined to reveal what was said. According to one source, with the season lost, Coles suggested that Gibbs open up the offense, particularly deep passes to him. But Gibbs, the source said, reiterated to Coles that Washington would always have a run-oriented offense, which cemented Coles's desire to leave. "Maybe he wasn't able to adjust to a new coach," Pierce said. "He was hand-picked by Spurrier, Dan and Vinny. Guys on defense can adjust since it seems like we have a different coordinator every year. So change is no big deal. Some of us are able to adjust." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Gibbs Says Keeping Redskins Receiver Is a Possibility I've been saying this all along. It isn't as if they have to get rid of him. While it would be nice to get rid of a malcontent, he doesn't have a whole lot of hand here. He can't hold out because he's under contract. He can't make any demands. He basically should be shown his contract and told he has obligations, plain and simple. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 As pissed as I am at Coles, I'd take him back. The man has heart, maybe half a brain, but heart none the less. True Warrior. He'll learn to like it here again, watch. Looks like I get to keep my Coles Jersey after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 One veteran defensive player believes that Coles is showing his true colors despite his reputation for being the quintessential team player. "Why doesn't he give Coach a chance?" said the player who joined Washington last season. I'm thinking it was either #24 or #56... Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Originally posted by ntotoro I'm thinking it was either #24 or #56... Nick said the player who joined Washington last season.<< 24 maybe not 56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgraw238 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 What a fiasco. Nothing is easy with this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Originally posted by bubba9497 said the player who joined Washington last season.<< 24 maybe not 56 Oh, yeah... missed that last part... Definately #24, then. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posse81 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Originally posted by ntotoro I'm thinking it was either #24 or #56... Nick My money is on Phillip Daniels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 "You don't want to have somebody that doesn't want to be there," said linebacker Antonio Pierce in a phone interview. "If he's unhappy, he's going to make other people unhappy. We don't need that kind of negativity. "L.C. plays hard, and guys respected him for that. But you need everybody on the same page. He wasn't a distraction, but you could tell he wasn't happy. If he came back, he would definitely be a distraction." Man, this is not pretty. Coles can easily turn this around though. He needs to work hard to get everyone's trust back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Originally posted by mcgraw238 What a fiasco. Nothing is easy with this team. all teams have problems.... look at the Titans but it seems more is made out of things in DC than with other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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