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EvoSkins Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Gibbs Says Coles Trade Is Unlikely By Nunyo Demasio Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, February 26, 2005; 3:01 PM INDIANAPOLIS -- Coach Joe Gibbs said today that a potential trade of unhappy wide receiver Laveranues Coles to the New York Jets for wide receiver Santana Moss is "unlikely." Gibbs, here for the NFL pre-draft combine, declined to be expansive, but added that the Redskins would bring back Coles if they couldn't work out another trade. According to a source familiar with the situation, the potential for a Coles-Moss trade has greatly diminished for an unspecified reason. One strong possibility is Washington's inability to reach an agreement to restructure left tackle Chris Samuels's contract -- a contingency for the trade because it created the necessary salary cap space to absorb Coles's massive cap hit. (Coles has declined to restructure his contract to make it easier completing a trade because the wideout believes that Washington reneged on an agreement to release him.) "I'd say it's not very likely," Gibbs said of the trade during a news conference here. "That's my general feeling on it. But like I said, we value him so if we work out something with a team, we would do that." Friday, the Redskins and Samuels's agent, Jimmy Sexton, didn't seriously negotiate after exchanging phone calls to reiterate their positions, sources familiar with the situation said. But both sides were expected to restart discussions today. And they have a self-imposed deadline of March 1, when all NFL teams must be under the salary cap. Restructuring Samuels's contract to Washington's liking would create enough salary cap space to allow the Redskins to trade Coles and absorb a cap hit of more than $9 million. Sexton is using Seattle's signing last week of left tackle Walter Jones as a barometer. Jones signed a seven-year, $52.5 million contract, which included a $16 million bonus. The contract spurred the Redskins this week to rekindle negotiations that reached a month-long impasse. Gibbs indicated that the Redskins would mull other trade offers if the Moss-Coles deal isn't revived, and wouldn't give up Coles unless Washington gets back value. Several teams have shown interest in Coles, including the Baltimore Ravens, Chicago Bears and Minnesota Vikings. "Laveranues Coles is a very valuable guy," Gibbs said. "If we can work something out with somebody, that would be fine. If not, he'll probably remain a Redskin. He's very valuable and we think we would have to have some real value (for him). That's a simple statement and I won't elaborate on anything else." This week, Ravens Coach Brian Billick said that his team had bid for wide receiver Randy Moss before dropping out when the Minnesota Vikings were offered more -- a package including the seventh overall pick in this year's draft and linebacker Napoleon Harris -- by the Oakland Raiders. Billick hinted that the Ravens remain in pursuit of Coles. "I'll leave that to Ozzie [Newsome, the Ravens general manager]," Billick said. "It's not prudent to say who we're talking to about what. But I'd imagine that anyone who has a receiver is going to believe we're a team to contact." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 INDIANAPOLIS -- Coach Joe Gibbs said today that a potential trade of unhappy wide receiver Laveranues Coles to the New York Jets for wide receiver Santana Moss is "unlikely." Gibbs, here for the NFL pre-draft combine, declined to be expansive, but added that the Redskins would bring back Coles if they couldn't work out another trade. According to a source familiar with the situation, the potential for a Coles-Moss trade has greatly diminished for an unspecified reason. One strong possibility is Washington's inability to reach an agreement to restructure left tackle Chris Samuels's contract -- a contingency for the trade because it created the necessary salary cap space to absorb Coles's massive cap hit. (Coles has declined to restructure his contract to make it easier completing a trade because the wideout believes that Washington reneged on an agreement to release him.) "I'd say it's not very likely," Gibbs said of the trade during a news conference here. "That's my general feeling on it. But like I said, we value him so if we work out something with a team, we would do that." Friday, the Redskins and Samuels's agent, Jimmy Sexton, didn't seriously negotiate after exchanging phone calls to reiterate their positions, sources familiar with the situation said. But both sides were expected to restart discussions today. And they have a self-imposed deadline of March 1, when all NFL teams must be under the salary cap. Restructuring Samuels's contract to Washington's liking would create enough salary cap space to allow the Redskins to trade Coles and absorb a cap hit of more than $9 million. Sexton is using Seattle's signing last week of left tackle Walter Jones as a barometer. Jones signed a seven-year, $52.5 million contract, which included a $16 million bonus. The contract spurred the Redskins this week to rekindle negotiations that reached a month-long impasse. Gibbs indicated that the Redskins would mull other trade offers if the Moss-Coles deal isn't revived, and wouldn't give up Coles unless Washington gets back value. Several teams have shown interest in Coles, including the Baltimore Ravens, Chicago Bears and Minnesota Vikings. "Laveranues Coles is a very valuable guy," Gibbs said. "If we can work something out with somebody, that would be fine. If not, he'll probably remain a Redskin. He's very valuable and we think we would have to have some real value (for him). That's a simple statement and I won't elaborate on anything else." This week, Ravens Coach Brian Billick said that his team had bid for wide receiver Randy Moss before dropping out when the Minnesota Vikings were offered more -- a package including the seventh overall pick in this year's draft and linebacker Napoleon Harris -- by the Oakland Raiders. Billick hinted that the Ravens remain in pursuit of Coles. "I'll leave that to Ozzie [Newsome, the Ravens general manager]," Billick said. "It's not prudent to say who we're talking to about what. But I'd imagine that anyone who has a receiver is going to believe we're a team to contact." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BD Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Gibbs Says Coles Trade Is Unlikely By Nunyo Demasio Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, February 26, 2005; 3:01 PM INDIANAPOLIS -- Coach Joe Gibbs said today that a potential trade of unhappy wide receiver Laveranues Coles to the New York Jets for wide receiver Santana Moss is "unlikely." Gibbs, here for the NFL pre-draft combine, declined to be expansive, but added that the Redskins would bring back Coles if they couldn't work out another trade. According to a source familiar with the situation, the potential for a Coles-Moss trade has greatly diminished for an unspecified reason. One strong possibility is Washington's inability to reach an agreement to restructure left tackle Chris Samuels's contract -- a contingency for the trade because it created the necessary salary cap space to absorb Coles's massive cap hit. (Coles has declined to restructure his contract to make it easier completing a trade because the wideout believes that Washington reneged on an agreement to release him.) "I'd say it's not very likely," Gibbs said of the trade during a news conference here. "That's my general feeling on it. But like I said, we value him so if we work out something with a team, we would do that." Friday, the Redskins and Samuels's agent, Jimmy Sexton, didn't seriously negotiate after exchanging phone calls to reiterate their positions, sources familiar with the situation said. But both sides were expected to restart discussions today. And they have a self-imposed deadline of March 1, when all NFL teams must be under the salary cap. Restructuring Samuels's contract to Washington's liking would create enough salary cap space to allow the Redskins to trade Coles and absorb a cap hit of more than $9 million. Sexton is using Seattle's signing last week of left tackle Walter Jones as a barometer. Jones signed a seven-year, $52.5 million contract, which included a $16 million bonus. The contract spurred the Redskins this week to rekindle negotiations that reached a month-long impasse. Gibbs indicated that the Redskins would mull other trade offers if the Moss-Coles deal isn't revived, and wouldn't give up Coles unless Washington gets back value. Several teams have shown interest in Coles, including the Baltimore Ravens, Chicago Bears and Minnesota Vikings. "Laveranues Coles is a very valuable guy," Gibbs said. "If we can work something out with somebody, that would be fine. If not, he'll probably remain a Redskin. He's very valuable and we think we would have to have some real value (for him). That's a simple statement and I won't elaborate on anything else." This week, Ravens Coach Brian Billick said that his team had bid for wide receiver Randy Moss before dropping out when the Minnesota Vikings were offered more -- a package including the seventh overall pick in this year's draft and linebacker Napoleon Harris -- by the Oakland Raiders. Billick hinted that the Ravens remain in pursuit of Coles. "I'll leave that to Ozzie [Newsome, the Ravens general manager]," Billick said. "It's not prudent to say who we're talking to about what. But I'd imagine that anyone who has a receiver is going to believe we're a team to contact." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BD Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Dang, triple posted. I think that's it, folks. It just does not make sense to eat Coles' contract and get nothing for him. He's a solid receiver, next year he won't be the number one, and I think he's tough enough that he'll keep playing regardless. BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 The Ravens blew a ton of picks to move up and draft Boller, so hopefully they can blow a bunch more to get Coles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 I wouldn't have minded the trade as long as the Skins weren't going to be saddled with Coles' $5 million payout. If they were, I wouldn't want this trade to happen. But now that the trade won't happen, I'm not disappointed, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadKarma Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Nunyo, my favorite. :nutkick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 It will be interesting to see what happens to Samuels if he doesn't renegotiate a new contract. My hopes are that we except the #22 for Coles. This way we get a player fresh out of college that can produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martino Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 I liked the idea of getting Moss if Coles re-did his contract. I wonder if the Vikings would give us their 7th pick in the draft for Coles. That way we would have the 7th and 9th pick in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Maybe we need to thank Nunyo now, I am thinking had he not reported the deal with Coles then the skins might have stayed with it and released it. After he wrote the article about the deal the skins realized it was a mistake and said no, and said they would only trade him. I still don't like keeping an unhappy coles with a bad toe on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLSKINSFAN Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Unfortunately, I guess we can expect to see Coles in a Redskins uniform for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 The only thing that makes me want a Coles trade is the fact that it would go a long way towards cleaning up our 2006 cap situation. Other than that, I'm not interested in dumping him just because he's a whiney brat. I want picks and salary cap relief in return for a trade, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorgantownHokie88 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Well, at least we didn't trade him to the Jets, and take the 9 million cap hit. I am really happy right now. Basically, we aren't going to let Coles dictate where he wants to go. He's got a contract, and he is going to play it out if we don't get anything in return. I think Gibbs is being smart here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Originally posted by jbooma Maybe we need to thank Nunyo now, I am thinking had he not reported the deal with Coles then the skins might have stayed with it and released it. After he wrote the article about the deal the skins realized it was a mistake and said no, and said they would only trade him. I still don't like keeping an unhappy coles with a bad toe on this team. So thank Nunyo for reducing his trade value. Wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebowski Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Originally posted by BD Gibbs Says Coles Trade Is Unlikely One strong possibility is Washington's inability to reach an agreement to restructure left tackle Chris Samuels's contract -- a contingency for the trade because it created the necessary salary cap space to absorb Coles's massive cap hit. (Coles has declined to restructure his contract to make it easier completing a trade because the wideout believes that Washington reneged on an agreement to release him.) This is the most frustrating thing. I can't believe it is being mentioned in every article about Coles being traded. It is just stupid. The issue isn't creating enough space to absorb the hit, it is NOT ABSORBING THE HIT AT ALL!!!! The sticking point is Coles giving the money back so we don't get hit! I wish these reporters would get that straight just once. What does Samuels redoing his deal have to do with trading Coles? NOTHING! The whole point is that we will not trade Coles unless he gives money back, or the other team pays it. That is what should be written instead of all this Samuels BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 I am liking this again. Gibbs is taking a hardline stand. He was in our plans this time last year, and he could be still. either way, don't just let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Sanity. Thank God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebowski Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Double Post. I'll add this: :point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLSKINSFAN Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Guys, It's doesn't matter what teams are willing to offer us. They also have to be willing to give Coles a new, richer contract. NO team will do that. At least IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 The article was just updated. Gibbs Says Coles Trade Is Unlikely By Nunyo Demasio Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, February 26, 2005; 3:39 PM INDIANAPOLIS -- Coach Joe Gibbs said today that a potential trade of unhappy wide receiver Laveranues Coles to the New York Jets for wide receiver Santana Moss is "unlikely." Gibbs, here for the NFL pre-draft combine, declined to be expansive, but added that the Redskins would bring back Coles if they couldn't work out another trade. According to a source familiar with the situation, the potential for a Coles-Moss trade has greatly diminished for an unspecified reason. One strong possibility is Washington's inability to reach an agreement to restructure left tackle Chris Samuels's contract -- a contingency for the trade because it created the necessary salary cap space to absorb Coles's massive cap hit. (Coles has declined to restructure his contract to make it easier completing a trade because the wideout believes that Washington reneged on an agreement to release him.) Another source believes that the Jets have the sense that Coles would want a contract extension, and would remain unhappy at being traded without his explicit approval. The Jets apparently aren't willing to give Coles an extension. "I'd say it's not very likely," Gibbs said of the trade during a news conference here. "That's my general feeling on it. But like I said, we value him so if we work out something with a team, we would do that." Friday, the Redskins and Samuels's agent, Jimmy Sexton, didn't seriously negotiate after exchanging phone calls to reiterate their positions, sources familiar with the situation said. But both sides were expected to restart discussions today. And they have a self-imposed deadline of March 1, when all NFL teams must be under the salary cap. Restructuring Samuels's contract to Washington's liking would create enough salary cap space to allow the Redskins to trade Coles and absorb a cap hit of more than $9 million. Sexton is using Seattle's signing last week of left tackle Walter Jones as a barometer. Jones signed a seven-year, $52.5 million contract, which included a $16 million bonus. The contract spurred the Redskins this week to rekindle negotiations that reached a month-long impasse. Gibbs indicated that the Redskins would mull other trade offers if the Moss-Coles deal isn't revived, and wouldn't give up Coles unless Washington gets back value. Several teams have shown interest in Coles, including the Baltimore Ravens, Chicago Bears and Minnesota Vikings. "Laveranues Coles is a very valuable guy," Gibbs said. "If we can work something out with somebody, that would be fine. If not, he'll probably remain a Redskin. He's very valuable and we think we would have to have some real value (for him). That's a simple statement and I won't elaborate on anything else." This week, Ravens Coach Brian Billick said that his team had bid for wide receiver Randy Moss before dropping out when the Minnesota Vikings were offered more -- a package including the seventh overall pick in this year's draft and linebacker Napoleon Harris -- by the Oakland Raiders. Billick hinted that the Ravens remain in pursuit of Coles. "I'll leave that to Ozzie [Newsome, the Ravens general manager]," Billick said. "It's not prudent to say who we're talking to about what. But I'd imagine that anyone who has a receiver is going to believe we're a team to contact." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyholetsgogrant Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 What if he holds out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLSKINSFAN Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Also, with the details that have come out, I think Coles wants a new contract and more money, I think that's the real reason he wants to be released. More than the fact he doesn't want to be in Gibbs offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Hog Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 If we can't find an appropriate suitor, and LC in fact sucks it up and plays in a Skins uniform next year, a few wins could easily make him shut his trap and realize just how foolish he was for even starting this in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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