endzone_dave Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 I'm not saying Betts is better than Portis, but I think we can win with him. Think of what would have happened if Gibbs stuck with Ramsey and Betts the whole season and all that money was spent on the O-line. This team would have easily been in the playoffs. Those late 4th quarter rushing yards by Betts was awe inspiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan080 Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 We can win with/without Portis. But its not wasted money. He is still going to give us a ton of production and is a real threat every time he's on the feild. Brunell is wasted money because he gives us nothing when he's on the feild. Like him or not Portis is on our team, will produce from our team, and will be there because of the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afparent Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 This whole season was about evaluating players and finding the type of players who fit Gibbs system. There may be surprises in the offseason. Throw out the record, this is what this season was all about. We took gambles on a lot of players and they didn't work out. next year every player on the team will buy into the team concept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trung24 Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 You are so right. Someone in the organization gave him some bad advice. Don't be surprised to see Betts and Portis splitting carries 50-50 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Yes. Lets get rid of our 1300 yard rusher. While we're at it, why not say that next year the team should play with their helmets on backwards and their pants around their ankles. That should help. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 I can't argue about Brunell because he was and will be a waste of money. If we get an Oline, Portis will be great. The team just needs to start to be smart with their money. Only the QB should be paid the big money. I love Lavar and he is a Pro Bowl player, but we invested a lot of money in a player that contributed nothing to the #2 D in the league. I am not saying we should get rid of Lavar, but I am saying we need to be smart with our money. If Smoot doesn't want fair money, let him go. Don't give him Champ money. I am also not saying I don't want Smoot, and Smoot is not a top ten CB, but the team needs to be smart with their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carter23 Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 brunell was a waste of millions of dollars and hours of our time i knew all thsi portis talk would come out if betts played well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor The Invincible Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Bang, getting 1300 yards with the amount of carries Portis got isn't very hard. I have no doubt that Betts or others could have done that with 343 carries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Running up yards against the Vikings defense doesn't have me sold on Betts just yet. Portis still has more big play ability and is generally a better blocker and receiver. Betts maybe could be useful on the goal line, but Portis offers a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBkilla56 Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Originally posted by DjTj Running up yards against the Vikings defense doesn't have me sold on Betts just yet. Portis still has more big play ability and is generally a better blocker and receiver. Betts maybe could be useful on the goal line, but Portis offers a lot more. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 I think if Portis ran today, he woulda gotten 150+, and if he had played last week, he woulda gotten his record. Some of thsoe holes the lines opened today, where were they all season??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSF Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Sick of people saying Portis was a waste... The guy ran for 1300 yards, caught 40 passes for about 250 yards if I recall.. Hes a threat that Betts will never be IMO. I for one cant wait for him to come back next season and make everyone eat their words. Trust me I'll be bringing this back up next year. Just baffles me how many people can say hes a waste, hes proven himself over the course of 3 seasons. Betts? One game, get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Yes, Brunell was a waste of money but Portis? Come on, the guy's had 1300 yards in an off year despite being pretty much the only offensive weapon for the first half of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor The Invincible Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 The holes were there for Betts because he waited for them to open up. Portis doesn't have the patience to wait for the holes. He runs into the backs of his blockers. If Portis is to succeed in this offense, he has to learn how to wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSkipper Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Clinton is only 23 years old and he just had his first year under the Gibbs offense. Give him a chance for gods sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drkstar Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Does anyone remember the offer the Jets put on the table last offseason before the Broncos offered Portis for Bailey? I believe it was Abraham, Lemont Jordan, Anthony Becht and one or two #1's in the first round for the rights to Bailey. What would this teams future look like with a DE like Abraham, a running back duo like Jordan and Betts, a TE/HB group of Becht, Royal and Cooley plus our 2nd round pick last season as well as one or two more players in the first round... yikes. Portis is a stud but maybe the wrong stud for what we do. I like the Jets deal in hindsight by far if memory serves me correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlinginSammy HOF '63 Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 What's wrong with a pounder? I like a guy that's going to guarantee you forward movement over. The problem with a fast, but weak runner is it causes too many 2 & 10s. I still blame it on the O-line for the most part, but get a better line and get the ball in Betts' hands more and then we can evaluate. I don't see why we can't have a Joe Washington/Riggins setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 portis>betts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookie0720 Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Originally posted by Skeletor The Invincible The holes were there for Betts because he waited for them to open up. Portis doesn't have the patience to wait for the holes. He runs into the backs of his blockers. If Portis is to succeed in this offense, he has to learn how to wait. Or maybe Joe Gibbs should adapt to the talent he has. He is blessed with one of the most explosive talented backs in football and he's too stubborn to adapt his system to him? It's called adapting your system to the talent you have on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtyler42 Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Portis needs to study this Gibbs offense and how previous backs ran in it b/c he needs to be more patient w/his runs...As we saw today and everytime when Betts is in the game the Counter Trey will/does work w/a patient back, but Gibbs also needs to add more stretch and quick hitting plays in for Portis as well...They will blend together and make this O pretty scary next yr... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Portis is an elite back. He rushed for over 1,300 yards in a very troubling offense. I happen to like Betts a lot and think he's a fine player. But, Portis is a different level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Having a good game on the ground against the Vikings isn't exactly a great accomplishment. But Betts should get the ball a little more next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Originally posted by Drkstar Does anyone remember the offer the Jets put on the table last offseason before the Broncos offered Portis for Bailey? I believe it was Abraham, Lemont Jordan, Anthony Becht and one or two #1's in the first round for the rights to Bailey. It was supposedly Ellis, not Abraham and first rounders were never part of the equation. We would have been stupid to make that trade, all three of those guys are free agents to be and more than likely none will be retained by the Jets. That trade offer was an insult if I ever saw one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyNRedskinsfan Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Originally posted by DjTj Running up yards against the Vikings defense doesn't have me sold on Betts just yet. Portis still has more big play ability and is generally a better blocker and receiver. Betts maybe could be useful on the goal line, but Portis offers a lot more. amen again..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtyler42 Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Originally posted by Drkstar Does anyone remember the offer the Jets put on the table last offseason before the Broncos offered Portis for Bailey? I believe it was Abraham, Lemont Jordan, Anthony Becht and one or two #1's in the first round for the rights to Bailey. What would this teams future look like with a DE like Abraham, a running back duo like Jordan and Betts, a TE/HB group of Becht, Royal and Cooley plus our 2nd round pick last season as well as one or two more players in the first round... yikes. Portis is a stud but maybe the wrong stud for what we do. I like the Jets deal in hindsight by far if memory serves me correct. It wasnt Abraham it was Shaun Ellis and I think they declined the deal b/c all of the players from the Jets are going to be FA's after this season...I did think at the time that was the best deal b/c we would have gotten all those players +plus their 1st.... No sense in crying over spilled milk now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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