2023 NFL Draft Watch and Post Thread - The Hangover Special

[JamesMadisonSkins]

1 minute ago, Koolblue13 said:

Curious how much Curl is looking to make next year now.

Probably a lot. I hope we pay him, Sweat and young. We’ve got tons of space. We can make it happen and still have massive space to get aggressive elsewhere 

[Chris 44]

1 minute ago, Koolblue13 said:

Strom is not ready to start and Gates isn't really better than Larson.

 

I'm not saying that they don't cut Chase. Just that he's the best of the bunch.

Will be interesting to hear from the team today where they project Strom C/G? Did they pick him because he can play both and looking to be able to plug him in as injury needs dictate? Will be telling with how they handle Chase.

[Est.1974]

Late day 3 LB option - Anfernee Orgi, Vanderbilt.

 

Quite the surname too.

[KDawg]

Just now, Koolblue13 said:

Curious how much Curl is looking to make next year now.

I'm actually curious if he is a sneaky trade candidate today for more draft capital. 

 

I don't think so, based on the strategy thus far. They want him around this year.

 

But we are in a position, strategically, where Curl, Young and Sweat are all UFA next year. We can franchise one of them. Can we afford all three? I don't know. We SHOULD maximize assets somewhere, but if I'm right and the strategy is to use the defense as the backbone and they think Howell/Bienemy/OL moves this offseason are going to make a difference on the O... then it won't happen. But we are in a strange place with the defense in 24. 

[Voice_of_Reason]

7 minutes ago, Chris 44 said:

I take a different view on kickers. If you can get a reliable guy in the 3rd for the next 8 to 10 years at the position that many times is the one that will decide so many games, I'm thinking great pick.

I still think you can find a reliable kicker without having to draft them on the 3rd.  
 

I don’t mind drafting specialists, but I’d save it for the later rounds.  

[KDawg]

Just now, Est.1974 said:

Late day 3 LB option - Anfernee Orgi, Vanderbilt.

 

Quite the surname too.

I like him, too, in the 6th/7th. 

[RWJ]

8 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Good observaton.

 

At guard looks like Braeden Daniels, Sidy Sow and Mafi could be in play based on that.  I like them in the order i listed.  Daniels is really smooth, good zone blocker.

 

Sow and Mafi are in that Avilia mode -- big dudes who likely are good gap blockers, not bad at anchoring in pass protect.

 

I like Zavala though a clear peg ahead of those three.

Braeden needs to beef up a bit but he has also played OT to and on both sides.  I like him too.  Mafi at OG is a wildchild player so I would be estatic if we were to get them both.  I hope Freeland is in play too in the 4th.  

[Koolblue13]

1 minute ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

Probably a lot. I hope we pay him, Sweat and young. We’ve got tons of space. We can make it happen and still have massive space to get aggressive elsewhere 

We just drafted his replacement, so I doubt it. Ron isn't known for paying DBs a lot.

 

I like Curl a lot. Investing in safeties who aren't top 5 in the league isn't smart.

[Chris 44]

Just now, Voice_of_Reason said:

I still think you can find a reliable kicker without having to draft them on the 3rd.  
 

I don’t mind drafting specialists, but I’d save it for the later rounds.  

If a guys that good and can lock it down for 10 years I make the pick. How many teams would give up a 3rd for Tress? I'm guessing most would without batting an eye. 

[Skinsinparadise]

I'll hit RB specifically first since that seems a clear target

 

I'll do them in categories.

 

Speedy-home run hitters

 

Keaton Mitchell

Israel Abanikanda

Sean Tucker

 

Mitchell might be their guy, he is Achane-Gibbs style.   Didn't do it against the best competiton though. He's not as good as the other two at navigating though traffic.

 

Abanikanda is a big play RB with bigger size than Achane and can hold up better for that reason, wouldn't shock me if its him -- gets stuffed at the line of scrimmage if the defense penetrates a bit too easily for me. But he's fun when he hits daylight.

 

Sean Tucker -- @KDawg mentioned.  I watched him and off for some time.  I have a hard time landing on a striong take on him.   Makes big plays.  Better year the previous season than last year.  Got hurt.  Didn't run so i don't know for sure but looks fast and is a big play RB.

 

Fast but not as explosive as the other group

 

Chase Brown:  I like Brown, fast, 4.43 speed, strong dude, too.  Straight line speed so am guessing in the NFL he's not as explosive as some of the other fast RBs who have more wiggle.  He'd bring the high character that Rivera seems to crave.  

 

Deneric Prince -- his metrics including speed -- 4.41 is good.  I didn't love watching him though.  Maybe I'll rewatch this morning.

 

 

RB who are great pass catchers -- not good but great pass catchers

 

Kenny Mcintosh

Evan Hull

 

Both have great hands.  Hull is fast, too. 4.47.  Mcintosh is better IMO -- mainly because I like him better as a runner.  But both IMO are better than McKissic and good gets.

 

Also Ronnie Brown.  Fast and had almost 400 yards in catches.  But played for Shepard and couldnt find much to watch.

 

 

All Around Backs

 

Dewayne McBride.  @KDawg guy in a big way.  All around back.  Does everything well.  I think he's dropping because he didn't catch the ball in college.   And he didn't run so his metrics aren't know.  So some wonder if he can do that in the pros.  He's a lot of fun, a lot of wiggle, sharp cuttiing ability.

 

Zach Evans.  I was a big Kendre Miller guy.  And Evans IMO is a slight poor man's version of him.  Quick feet like Miller, decent hands.  Can be a featured back.  

 

Eric Gray.  Good all around back.  good hands.  Pedestrian speed especially for his size. 4.62

 

Travis Dye:  my favorite late round back aside from Mitchell.  Does everything well -- maybe not a master of one thing but IMO a really good outside zone runner especially, good hands.  Coming off an injury so might not even be drafted.

 

Roschon Johnson:  one of my favorite RBs.  But he's an in between the tackle power runner.  Another Brian Robinson.  And I get a strong impression that's not what they want

 

Small-scat back-explosive

 

Deuce Vaughn -- rich man's Jarret Patterson with better hands.  5'5, 179.  @Going Commando and @RWJ have gone on and on about him

 

i like him but not as much as they do. Ran 4.56.  Super short arms-wingspan.  I think he's limited to being a third down back, but I'd dig.  He'd be a fun player.

Edited April 29, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[KDawg]

1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said:

I'll hit RB specifically first since that seems a clear target

 

I'll do them in categories.

 

Speedy-home run hitters

 

Keaton Mitchell

Israel Abanikanda

Sean Tucker

 

Mitchell might be their guy, he is Achane-Gibbs style.   Didn't do it against the best competiton though. He's not as good as the other two at navigating though traffic.

 

Abanikanda is a big play RB with bigger size than Achane and can hold up better for that reason, wouldn't shock me if its him -- gets stuffed at the line of scrimmage if the defense penetrates a bit too easily for me. But hes fun when he hits daylight.

 

Sean Tucker -- @KDawg mentioned.  I watched him and off for some times.  Makes big plays.  Better year the previous season than last year.  Got hurt.  Didn't run so i don't know for sure but looks fast and big play RB.

 

Fast but not as explosive as the other group

 

Chase Brown:  I like Brown, fast, 4.43 speed, strong dude, too.  Straight line speed so am guessing in the NFL he's not as explosive as some of the other fast RBs who have more wiggle.

 

Deneric Prince -- his metrics including speed -- 4.41 is good.  I didn't love watching him though.  Maybe I'll rewatch this morning.

 

 

RB who are great pass catchers -- not good but great pass catchers

 

Kenny Mcintosh

Evan Hull

 

Both have great hands.  Hull is fast, too. 4.47.  Mcintosh is better IMO -- mainly because I like him better as a runner.  But both IMO are better than McKissic and good gets.

 

Also Ronnie Brown.  Fast and had almost 400 yards in catches.  But played for Shepard and couldnt find much to watch.

 

 

All Around Backs

 

Dewayne McBride.  @KDawg guy in a big way.  All around back.  Does everything well.  I think he's dropping because he didn't catch the ball in college.   And he didn't run so his metrics aren't know.  So some wonder if he can do that in the pros.  He's a lot of fun, a lot of wiggle, sharp cuttiing ability.

 

Zach Evans.  I was a big Kendre Miller guy.  And Evans IMO is a slight poor mans's version of him.  Quick feet like Miller, decent hands.  Can be a featured back.  

 

Eric Gray.  Good all around back.  good hands.  Pedestrian speed especially for his size. 4.62

 

Travis Dye:  my favorite late round back aside from Mitchell.  Does everything well -- maybe not a master of one thing but IMO a really good outside zone runner especially, good hands.  Coming off an injury so might not even be drafted.

 

Roschon Johnson:  one of my favorite RBs.  But he's an in between the tackle power runner.  Another Brian Robinson.  And I get a strong impression that's not 

 

Small-scat back-explosive

 

Deuce Vaughn -- rich man's Jarret Patterson with better hands.  5'5, 179.  @Going Commando and @RWJ on and on about him

 

i like him but not as much. Ran 4.56.  Super short arms-wingspan.  I think he's limited to being a third down back, but I'd dig.

 

Love the idea of Sean Tucker. The injury is what is making him drop. Talent wise he may be a top 5 RB in the class. And what he did at SU with the supporting cast around him on the O is nothing short of miraculous. The only other good offensive guy they had last year was Gadsden Jr. 

[Koolblue13]

2 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I'm actually curious if he is a sneaky trade candidate today for more draft capital. 

 

I don't think so, based on the strategy thus far. They want him around this year.

 

But we are in a position, strategically, where Curl, Young and Sweat are all UFA next year. We can franchise one of them. Can we afford all three? I don't know. We SHOULD maximize assets somewhere, but if I'm right and the strategy is to use the defense as the backbone and they think Howell/Bienemy/OL moves this offseason are going to make a difference on the O... then it won't happen. But we are in a strange place with the defense in 24. 

I don't think we're trying to trade any of them. Maybe during the season next year depending on how things go, but that's where their value will be maxed out.

 

I think Ron wants to win this year and isn't giving his talented players away for day three picks.

 

I do love that with the additions to our secondary, we should be able to blitz more aggressively and capitalize, instead of having to protect the secondary and guys like Corn Elder and Danny Johnson from getting burned.

 

Also gives the line another split second of the QB needing to hold the ball. 

[RWJ]

Just now, KDawg said:

I like him, too, in the 6th/7th. 

Still hoping for Pace, K but he will go quickly, I think in Rd. 4. 

[KDawg]

Just now, RWJ said:

Still hoping for Pace, K but he will go quickly, I think in Rd. 4. 

I am, too. I just made a lengthy post the page before this. 

[Chris 44]

5 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

I don't think we're trying to trade any of them. Maybe during the season next year depending on how things go, but that's where their value will be maxed out.

 

I think Ron wants to win this year and isn't giving his talented players away for day three picks.

 

I do love that with the additions to our secondary, we should be able to blitz more aggressively and capitalize, instead of having to protect the secondary and guys like Corn Elder and Danny Johnson from getting burned.

 

Also gives the line another split second of the QB needing to hold the ball. 

Yeah I don't think it's in our best interest to have 2 rookies back there without a few vets like Curl to feed off.

Edited April 29, 2023 by Chris 44

[justice98]

8 hours ago, Morneblade said:

PFF has us reaching on every single pick. I agree, man I'd love to have a competent FO for once.

 

Soon. Hopefully soon.

 

This FO doesn't take anyone obvious, other than Chase Young.  I'd pay admission to sit in on their war room just one time. 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Just now, Chris 44 said:

If a guys that good and can lock it down for 10 years I make the pick. How many teams would give up a 3rd for Tress? I'm guessing most would without batting an eye. 

Yeah, I hear you.  But I also think projecting specials who are special is even harder than other players.  
 

In hindsight, Adam Vinateri should have been a first round pick.  Brady would have 3 SB losses without Adam hitting game winning kicks in the first 3 SBs.  But I’m not sure that’s knowable coming out of college….

[Est.1974]

I wouldn’t take a LB in the 4th or 5th. Get a couple of skill players on offense. Feels like there will be a ton of LB/Pass Rush/Edge type hybrids to be had in the 6th. 
 

I really hadn’t realised Stromberg had played at G until earlier. Mayhew/Rivera specifically mentioned that in the media session. So do we really need another IOL would be my question now ?

 

 

[Chris 44]

3 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

I'll hit RB specifically first since that seems a clear target

 

I'll do them in categories.

 

Speedy-home run hitters

 

Keaton Mitchell

Israel Abanikanda

Sean Tucker

 

Mitchell might be their guy, he is Achane-Gibbs style.   Didn't do it against the best competiton though. He's not as good as the other two at navigating though traffic.

 

Abanikanda is a big play RB with bigger size than Achane and can hold up better for that reason, wouldn't shock me if its him -- gets stuffed at the line of scrimmage if the defense penetrates a bit too easily for me. But he's fun when he hits daylight.

 

Sean Tucker -- @KDawg mentioned.  I watched him and off for some times.  Makes big plays.  Better year the previous season than last year.  Got hurt.  Didn't run so i don't know for sure but looks fast and big play RB.

 

Fast but not as explosive as the other group

 

Chase Brown:  I like Brown, fast, 4.43 speed, strong dude, too.  Straight line speed so am guessing in the NFL he's not as explosive as some of the other fast RBs who have more wiggle.

 

Deneric Prince -- his metrics including speed -- 4.41 is good.  I didn't love watching him though.  Maybe I'll rewatch this morning.

 

 

RB who are great pass catchers -- not good but great pass catchers

 

Kenny Mcintosh

Evan Hull

 

Both have great hands.  Hull is fast, too. 4.47.  Mcintosh is better IMO -- mainly because I like him better as a runner.  But both IMO are better than McKissic and good gets.

 

Also Ronnie Brown.  Fast and had almost 400 yards in catches.  But played for Shepard and couldnt find much to watch.

 

 

All Around Backs

 

Dewayne McBride.  @KDawg guy in a big way.  All around back.  Does everything well.  I think he's dropping because he didn't catch the ball in college.   And he didn't run so his metrics aren't know.  So some wonder if he can do that in the pros.  He's a lot of fun, a lot of wiggle, sharp cuttiing ability.

 

Zach Evans.  I was a big Kendre Miller guy.  And Evans IMO is a slight poor mans's version of him.  Quick feet like Miller, decent hands.  Can be a featured back.  

 

Eric Gray.  Good all around back.  good hands.  Pedestrian speed especially for his size. 4.62

 

Travis Dye:  my favorite late round back aside from Mitchell.  Does everything well -- maybe not a master of one thing but IMO a really good outside zone runner especially, good hands.  Coming off an injury so might not even be drafted.

 

Roschon Johnson:  one of my favorite RBs.  But he's an in between the tackle power runner.  Another Brian Robinson.  And I get a strong impression that's not 

 

Small-scat back-explosive

 

Deuce Vaughn -- rich man's Jarret Patterson with better hands.  5'5, 179.  @Going Commando and @RWJ on and on about him

 

i like him but not as much. Ran 4.56.  Super short arms-wingspan.  I think he's limited to being a third down back, but I'd dig.

Thanks SIP and to all that put in the time and research. Great job!

[Koolblue13]

I hate that the Gnats got JMS.

[KDawg]

1 minute ago, Koolblue13 said:

I don't think we're trying to trade any of them. Maybe during the season next year depending on how things go, but that's where their value will be maxed out.

 

I think Ron wants to win this year and isn't giving his talented players away for day three picks.

 

I do love that with the additions to our secondary, we should be able to blitz more aggressively and capitalize, instead of having to protect the secondary and guys like Corn Elder and Danny Johnson from getting burned.

 

Also gives the line another split second of the QB needing to hold the ball. 

 

I agree. We aren't trading any of them because they are relying on them. But I have hated the team building strategies this team has employed for years. But at least they know talent when they see it and build off of it. So I can deal with my dislike for the strategy.

 

Our defense should be good. Need a ILB that can pass rush and move sideline to sideline though. That also maximizes Davis because they can't telegraph which Backer is doing what on a play to play basis. 

 

Pace is that guy. Really, really would like him. I'd consider packaging some of our lower draft capital this year to move up to get him, too. Not too much. But I think he'd make a big difference.

 

The only reason I'd hold is Herbig can pass rush, but he's not the same as an ILB. 

[RWJ]

5 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

I'll hit RB specifically first since that seems a clear target

 

I'll do them in categories.

 

Speedy-home run hitters

 

Keaton Mitchell

Israel Abanikanda

Sean Tucker

 

Mitchell might be their guy, he is Achane-Gibbs style.   Didn't do it against the best competiton though. He's not as good as the other two at navigating though traffic.

 

Abanikanda is a big play RB with bigger size than Achane and can hold up better for that reason, wouldn't shock me if its him -- gets stuffed at the line of scrimmage if the defense penetrates a bit too easily for me. But he's fun when he hits daylight.

 

Sean Tucker -- @KDawg mentioned.  I watched him and off for some time.  I have a hard time landing on a striong take on him.   Makes big plays.  Better year the previous season than last year.  Got hurt.  Didn't run so i don't know for sure but looks fast and is a big play RB.

 

Fast but not as explosive as the other group

 

Chase Brown:  I like Brown, fast, 4.43 speed, strong dude, too.  Straight line speed so am guessing in the NFL he's not as explosive as some of the other fast RBs who have more wiggle.  He'd bring the high character that Rivera seems to crave.  

 

Deneric Prince -- his metrics including speed -- 4.41 is good.  I didn't love watching him though.  Maybe I'll rewatch this morning.

 

 

RB who are great pass catchers -- not good but great pass catchers

 

Kenny Mcintosh

Evan Hull

 

Both have great hands.  Hull is fast, too. 4.47.  Mcintosh is better IMO -- mainly because I like him better as a runner.  But both IMO are better than McKissic and good gets.

 

Also Ronnie Brown.  Fast and had almost 400 yards in catches.  But played for Shepard and couldnt find much to watch.

 

 

All Around Backs

 

Dewayne McBride.  @KDawg guy in a big way.  All around back.  Does everything well.  I think he's dropping because he didn't catch the ball in college.   And he didn't run so his metrics aren't know.  So some wonder if he can do that in the pros.  He's a lot of fun, a lot of wiggle, sharp cuttiing ability.

 

Zach Evans.  I was a big Kendre Miller guy.  And Evans IMO is a slight poor mans's version of him.  Quick feet like Miller, decent hands.  Can be a featured back.  

 

Eric Gray.  Good all around back.  good hands.  Pedestrian speed especially for his size. 4.62

 

Travis Dye:  my favorite late round back aside from Mitchell.  Does everything well -- maybe not a master of one thing but IMO a really good outside zone runner especially, good hands.  Coming off an injury so might not even be drafted.

 

Roschon Johnson:  one of my favorite RBs.  But he's an in between the tackle power runner.  Another Brian Robinson.  And I get a strong impression that's not 

 

Small-scat back-explosive

 

Deuce Vaughn -- rich man's Jarret Patterson with better hands.  5'5, 179.  @Going Commando and @RWJ on and on about him

 

i like him but not as much. Ran 4.56.  Super short arms-wingspan.  I think he's limited to being a third down back, but I'd dig.

Yes.  Vaughn as a late Rd. pick.  I need to watch tape on your guy Mitchell.  

Edited April 29, 2023 by RWJ

[Est.1974]

1 minute ago, Koolblue13 said:

I hate that the Gnats got JMS.

I hate they got Hyatt.

[Chris 44]

1 minute ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Yeah, I hear you.  But I also think projecting specials who are special is even harder than other players.  
 

In hindsight, Adam Vinateri should have been a first round pick.  Brady would have 3 SB losses without Adam hitting game winning kicks in the first 3 SBs.  But I’m not sure that’s knowable coming out of college….

Kind of interesting, you would think kickers would be easier to figure if they translate to the NFL more so than any other position. 

[Koolblue13]

Just now, Est.1974 said:

I wouldn’t take a LB in the 4th or 5th. Get a couple of skill players on offense. Feels like there will be a ton of LB/Pass Rush/Edge type hybrids to be had in the 6th. 
 

I really hadn’t realised Stromberg had played at G until earlier. Mayhew/Rivera specifically mentioned that in the media session. So do we really need another IOL would be my question now ?

 

 

I predict that all the LBers are going to run off the board to start today, so if you don't take one in the 4rth, you aren't really getting one worth anything.

 

LBer, TE need to be the next two picks. Then RB, QB, whatever.