The All Things 2022 OTAs/Training Camp Thread

[skinsfan93]

2 hours ago, kingdaddy said:

Bucs have waived 3rd year WR Tyler Johnson....I'd take him over Dyami right now. 

At first I was thinking the same but his 40 time was 4.70 and it could be a case where Brady made him look better than he really is. I don’t want Brown but would take him over Johnson. 

[philibusters]

7 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Eh, I don't think they would have to do that because he had a non-football injury so would go on some non-football injury list.  I wouldn't think he would have to be on the 53 and then go to IR.  

 

But what do I know, maybe it doesn't matter, football or non-football....

 

If he does go to "a list" and it opens a spot, they could bring Patterson back.  

 

Brian Robinson won't likely go on IR.  I think the plan is to put him on the NFI list (Non Football Related Injury list)

1 minute ago, skinsfan93 said:

At first I was thinking the same but his 40 time was 4.70 and it could be a case where Brady made him look better than he really is. I don’t want Brown but would take him over Johnson. 

 

I definitely take Tyler Johnson over Brown.

[Jericho]

I imagine Hodges goes to IR and Robinson to the NFI as soon as eligible. I suspect the first guys brought in are at CB and LB. I'd imagine Eifler or Harris are first on the chopping block. I see Keith Ismael went to injured reserve. Didn't even know he was hurt...

[Skinsinparadise]

10 minutes ago, philibusters said:

 

 

I definitely take Tyler Johnson over Brown.

 

Me, too.    He was a great college player and not bad so far in the pros.

 

 

 

 

[skinsfan93]

Maybe Dyami will have a similar second year to Johnson. 
 

					Games		Receiving											Rushing								Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	1D	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
Career					31	6	72	48	529	11.0	2	23	35	1.5	17.1	66.7%	7.3
2020	22	TAM	wr	18	14	3	17	12	169	14.1	2	9	35	0.9	12.1	70.6%	9.9									12	14.1	169	2	0	2
2021	23	TAM	wr	18	17	3	55	36	360	10.0	0	14	31	2.1	21.2	65.5%	6.5									36	10.0	360	0	0	3

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Breakdown as of now:

 

Offense:
QB	3
RB	4
WR	6
TE	5
C	1
G	4
OT	4
Offense Total	27
DE	6
DT	3
LB	5
CB	4
S	5
Defense Total	23
Specialists
PK	1
P	1
LS	1
Specialists Total	3
Team Total	53

 

 

Some initial thoughts:

 

1. Very few surprises

2. Brown was not going to get cut.  Should he have been?  Maybe.  Are there better WRs than Brown?  Yeah.  He's going to be inactive on gamedays.  They like Cam Sims and Dax Milne, who will both be active on gamedays.  I actually don't think they will bring in somebody else at WR, whoever it is, because I think they want Cam Sims and Dax Milne to be active and play.  Could they have cut Brown and brought somebody else in to inactivate?  Yeah.  But my guess is they want to see if they can get him right and see what happens next year.

3. Keeping 5 TEs is a bit strange.  I doubt that holds.

4. Keeping 1 Center is strange, and I doubt that holds.  Though Wes can play Center.  That said, Wes might be starting at Guard.  So you're REALLY thin there. at least until Larsen comes back.  And Ismael's season is over.

5. 27 offense vs. 23 defense is the biggest spread I think I've seen. Maybe it's not that bad, but it feels very offensive heavy.

6. I had literally never heard of De'Jon Harris until today but he made the team as a LB.

7. The group that scares me the most is the CB group, and I like 1-3.  But Holmes is the only other CB.  That makes me nervous.  

8.  I personally really like the safety group as of now, and I'm reserving the right to change my mind.  I think McCain and Curl are good starters, Butler and Forrest are young guys who "we'll see" and Reaves has earned a roster spot.  

9. The fact that Brian Robinson is on the active roster is flabbergasting. (in a good way)  It means they think he'll be back within 4 games, I think.  I don't think they would need to put him on the roster then IR him because it's a non-football injury.  

10. I didn't really care that Patterson was cut.  I liked watching him run, but I think they need more out of a 4th string RB.

11.  At WR, Erickson, he reminded me a bit of whatshisname from last year.  I think they believe Milne is that guy for them this year, so it's possible he just didn't have a spot.  And they weren't going to cut Brown to keep Erickson.  I wouldn't do that either.  Brown still has upside, if you're going to keep a 6th WR, you keep one with upside.  

[Ball Security]

10 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Breakdown as of now:

 

Offense:
QB	3
RB	4
WR	6
TE	5
C	1
G	4
OT	4
Offense Total	27
DE	6
DT	3
LB	5
CB	4
S	5
Defense Total	23
Specialists
PK	1
P	1
LS	1
Specialists Total	3
Team Total	53

 

 

Some initial thoughts:

 

1. Very few surprises

2. Brown was not going to get cut.  Should he have been?  Maybe.  Are there better WRs than Brown?  Yeah.  He's going to be inactive on gamedays.  They like Cam Sims and Dax Milne, who will both be active on gamedays.  I actually don't think they will bring in somebody else at WR, whoever it is, because I think they want Cam Sims and Dax Milne to be active and play.  Could they have cut Brown and brought somebody else in to inactivate?  Yeah.  But my guess is they want to see if they can get him right and see what happens next year.

3. Keeping 5 TEs is a bit strange.  I doubt that holds.

4. Keeping 1 Center is strange, and I doubt that holds.  Though Wes can play Center.  That said, Wes might be starting at Guard.  So you're REALLY thin there. at least until Larsen comes back.  And Ismael's season is over.

5. 27 offense vs. 23 defense is the biggest spread I think I've seen. Maybe it's not that bad, but it feels very offensive heavy.

6. I had literally never heard of De'Jon Harris until today but he made the team as a LB.

7. The group that scares me the most is the CB group, and I like 1-3.  But Holmes is the only other CB.  That makes me nervous.  

8.  I personally really like the safety group as of now, and I'm reserving the right to change my mind.  I think McCain and Curl are good starters, Butler and Forrest are young guys who "we'll see" and Reaves has earned a roster spot.  

9. The fact that Brian Robinson is on the active roster is flabbergasting. (in a good way)  It means they think he'll be back within 4 games, I think.  I don't think they would need to put him on the roster then IR him because it's a non-football injury.  

10. I didn't really care that Patterson was cut.  I liked watching him run, but I think they need more out of a 4th string RB.

11.  At WR, Erickson, he reminded me a bit of whatshisname from last year.  I think they believe Milne is that guy for them this year, so it's possible he just didn't have a spot.  And they weren't going to cut Brown to keep Erickson.  I wouldn't do that either.  Brown still has upside, if you're going to keep a 6th WR, you keep one with upside.  

Do you have Charles or Paul as your 4thOT?  Both are preferably Guards.  Schweitzer is a center, so I don’t think they need to make a move there.

 

And the DL breakdown is more 5/4, 4/5, than 6/3.  

Edited August 30, 2022 by Ball Security

[SkinsFanRob]

As much as I liked what Erickson did I think keeping Brown was the right move. 
 

Him and Sam Howell lit it up in college together. If we ever get to a point where Sam is the guy I think him and Brown can get that connection going again. 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

23 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

7. The group that scares me the most is the CB group, and I like 1-3.  But Holmes is the only other CB.  That makes me nervous.  

8.  I personally really like the safety group as of now, and I'm reserving the right to change my mind.  I think McCain and Curl are good starters, Butler and Forrest are young guys who "we'll see" and Reaves has earned a roster spot.  

 

 

We must be planning on using Buffalo Nickel with a rotation for our 5 safeties the majority if not all of the game. 4 CB's is super thin.

[skinsfan93]

28 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

27 offense vs. 23 defense is the biggest spread I think I've seen.

This may change to 26 vs 24 once BRob is put on IR. They could bring back someone on defense and go with 3 running backs. 
 

And one of the TEs may go on IR too. 

Edited August 30, 2022 by skinsfan93

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[skinny21]

18 minutes ago, Ball Security said:

Do you have Charles or Paul as your 4thOT?  Both are preferably Guards.  Schweitzer is a center, so I don’t think they need to make a move there.

 

And the DL breakdown is more 5/4, 4/5, than 6/3.  

I was surprised to see Sweitzer saying last year was his first time playing center.  Not sure if it’s ideal to have him as the primary backup to all 3 interior spots, but I suppose they could always bring back Ismael/Larson if Roullier (and a guard) goes down (and even more so if Sweitzer takes the starting RG spot).

 

And yeah, @Voice_of_Reason there are 4 DTs - Allen/Payne/Mathis/Wise.

[petey hodge]

Dang…. Corn Elder got sent for!!!!

 

[dswerdlw]

4 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

Went to grad school in Athens. Happy to see a Bobcat on the roster!

[Ball Security]

COVID rule changes messed everything up for me.  Can’t keep straight what was temporary and what was permanent.

 

Roster is still 53 (but we can have 54 with Bada)?

 

Game day we dress how many? 47?

 

But can we still select from 56 guys?  53 + Bada + two rotating PS guys? 
 

Does that look correct?

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

1 hour ago, philibusters said:

 

Brian Robinson won't likely go on IR.  I think the plan is to put him on the NFI list (Non Football Related Injury list)

 

I definitely take Tyler Johnson over Brown.

 

1 hour ago, Jericho said:

I imagine Hodges goes to IR and Robinson to the NFI as soon as eligible. I suspect the first guys brought in are at CB and LB. I'd imagine Eifler or Harris are first on the chopping block. I see Keith Ismael went to injured reserve. Didn't even know he was hurt...

 

What are the NFI rules? When could Robinson come back if he is able to recover this season?

[zCommander]

2 minutes ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said:

 

 

What are the NFI rules? When could Robinson come back if he is able to recover this season?

 

4 games. 

[Ball Security]

12 minutes ago, dswerdlw said:

Went to grad school in Athens. Happy to see a Bobcat on the roster!

Got Rogers here and the guy for the Clippers.  Been a good little run for you guys.

[Voice_of_Reason]

55 minutes ago, Ball Security said:

Do you have Charles or Paul as your 4thOT?  Both are preferably Guards.  Schweitzer is a center, so I don’t think they need to make a move there.

 

And the DL breakdown is more 5/4, 4/5, than 6/3.  

I have them broken out the way they are listed on the official website.  What is odd is they have Daniel Wise listed as a DE on the roster, but in the press release, they have him listed as a DT.  So, pick your poison, I guess.  

 

The OTs they have listed are Leno, Lucas, Cosmi and Charles.  They list Nowell, Paul, Schweitzer and Turner as Guards, and Rouiller as Center. 

 

The issue I have with the depth is Tuner hasn't practiced yet.  Let's say Schweitzer starts at Guard, Rouiller at Center, and Turner isn't healthy.  If Rouiller goes down, Schweitzer HAS to fill in at Center, and you bring in Charles as a guard.  That's fine.  But then, you are one snap away from Paul playing meaningful minutes.  It's just really thin.  It's not the end of the world, but they only are carrying 9, a lot of teams carry 10.  

 

Charles is a BAD tackle, though, so if something were to happen and he has to start at tackle, then that's a bad position to be in.  I'd prefer to have one more backup tackle, and I'd prefer that Turner was actually healthy.   

 

[dswerdlw]

Bobby McCain has played some corner, right? Could that be part of the reason why we're keeping so few CBs?

[Voice_of_Reason]

42 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

I was surprised to see Sweitzer saying last year was his first time playing center.  Not sure if it’s ideal to have him as the primary backup to all 3 interior spots, but I suppose they could always bring back Ismael/Larson if Roullier (and a guard) goes down (and even more so if Sweitzer takes the starting RG spot).

 

And yeah, @Voice_of_Reason there are 4 DTs - Allen/Payne/Mathis/Wise.

As I said, I went by the official team roster on the site:

 

 

Then they put out the roster:

 

 

 

That wasn't out when I was doing the initial spreadsheet.  So I went with what was listed on their website and figured they knew what position their own players played. 

 

I guess that was a bad assumption. 

 

(Something else will probably post how nothing this organization does under Dan has attention to detail and this is a huge issue. I'm going to say I don't honestly give a damn, but if somebody wants to skewer the organization for it, I'm sure the usual suspects are jonesing to get their pound of flesh today.)

 

36 minutes ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said:

What are the NFI rules? When could Robinson come back if he is able to recover this season?

I'm just surprised he couldn't go onto the NFI before the 53.

 

Btw, if he does go to the NFI (I haven't heard it reported, but it would make sense), then I expect Robinson to come back. I think they might have waived him because they are pretty sure he'll clear.  

[Jericho]

42 minutes ago, Ball Security said:

COVID rule changes messed everything up for me.  Can’t keep straight what was temporary and what was permanent.

 

Roster is still 53 (but we can have 54 with Bada)?

 

Game day we dress how many? 47?

 

But can we still select from 56 guys?  53 + Bada + two rotating PS guys? 
 

Does that look correct?

 

No, Bada is not on the active roster at all. If he clears waivers, he can sign on the practice squad. Then he's subject to the same practice squad rules as everyone else (though not does not count against the practice squad limit). I don't know where this myth is that he's on the active roster as a 54th player. that's never been true.

[Voice_of_Reason]

Just now, Jericho said:

 

No, Bada is not on the active roster at all. If he clears waivers, he can sign on the practice squad. Then he's subject to the same practice squad rules as everyone else (though not does not count against the practice squad limit). I don't know where this myth is that he's on the active roster as a 54th player. that's never been true.

This is where it came from.  

She never really corrected her original post, just commented to confirm it, and a lot of people (maybe including me?) missed the clarification.  I think she got some blowback on twitter, and then instead of editing or fixing, she just clarified.

 

Typical Washington Post sloppiness.  (That last bit was sarcasm. Kindof.)

[philibusters]

Am I the only one who conflated David Bada and Efe Obada during the preseason?