China Posted July 7, 2021 Author Share Posted July 7, 2021 First-dose COVID-19 vaccinations plateau across Canada, threatening path to variant resilience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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China Posted July 9, 2021 Author Share Posted July 9, 2021 Symptoms for the delta variant are different from 'classic' COVID-19 symptoms. Here's what you need to know. The highly contagious delta COVID-19 variant is one of the fastest spreading variants, but could also prove to be one of more elusive to diagnose, doctors say. That's because the delta symptoms do not follow the most common COVID-19 symptoms. Dr. David Priest, an infectious disease specialist with Novant Health, said while the loss of taste and smell was the most telltale sign of the coronavirus throughout the pandemic, many getting sick with delta present with more vague symptoms, like a runny nose or sore throat. Diagnosis is more difficult now with symptoms overlapping with another respiratory virus, Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV), which is spiking, and it could get even more complicated in the fall when cold and flu also join the mix more prevalently. Click on the link for the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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China Posted July 9, 2021 Author Share Posted July 9, 2021 Unvaccinated hospitalized patients say they regret not getting the shot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSparta Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 5 hours ago, China said: Unvaccinated hospitalized patients say they regret not getting the shot How sad for them. I'm sure this will definitely convince others like them and not fall on deaf ear at all yet again. This time, it's gonna break through. I'm seriously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted July 9, 2021 Author Share Posted July 9, 2021 Great work, useful idiots of the media: Most Americans buy the unsubstantiated "lab leak" theory Here's most important thing to understand about the idea that COVID-19 originated in a Chinese lab: It's not very likely, and most of the science still points toward natural origins, meaning random transmission from an animal species. As with Saddam Hussein's mythical "weapons of mass destruction," which led to the Iraq War, evidence for the "lab leak" theory is mostly right-wing wishful thinking, tied to a couple of thin pieces of not-really-evidence, and held together with the duct tape of speculation. Meanwhile, evidence for a natural origin, while far from complete, is scientifically sound and fits with everything that's currently known about the evolution of coronaviruses. When you really dig into the competing theories, it becomes clear that while "lab leak" makes for a good TV plot, there's not much else going for it. The theory of animal-to-human transmission, while less dramatic and perhaps less emotionally satisfying, is the likelier one. Yet we now have a Politico-Harvard poll released Friday morning that shows Americans are "almost twice as likely to say the virus was the result of a lab leak in China than human contact with an infected animal." And while the lab-leak theory has been hyped by Trump apologists looking to distract from the ex-president's massive mishandling of the pandemic, the buy-in for this unlikely theory is not particularly partisan. Politico reports that "59 percent of Republicans and 52 percent of Democrats" believe the lab-leak narrative, while only 28 percent said the virus came "from an infected animal." This is a dramatic change from March 2020, when only 29% of Americans — basically far-right authoritarians — endorsed the lab-leak theory. So what happened to change people's minds? Well, it wasn't persuasive evidence. On that front, nothing has changed. No one has produced any biological evidence to dispute last year's findings from the Tulane University School of Medicine , which "determined that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes by comparing the genetic sequences and protein structures of other coronaviruses to those of new virus." There have been no whistleblowers, unless you count the Australian scientist who worked until November 2019 at the virology lab in Wuhan, and who says "it was a regular lab that worked in the same way as any other high-containment lab," which is to say she saw nothing sinister or careless. Click on the link for the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, China said: Great work, useful idiots of the media: Most Americans buy the unsubstantiated "lab leak" theory The Tulane study says: "Study: Coronavirus pandemic sparked by nature, not bioengineering" "A team of scientists from Tulane, Scripps Research Institute, Columbia University, University of Edinburgh and University of Sydney analyzed the genome sequence of the novel SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus that emerged in the city of Wuhan, China, last year and found no evidence that the virus was made in a laboratory or otherwise engineered. " Lab leak does not necessarily equal engineered. Not to understand that and be able to make that distinction at this point in time just shows high level of stupidity, stubbornness, or dishonesty. (Okay, looking at the poll, it appears the poll is that it was made in the lab. Which does go counter to the Tulane story. Not just a lab leak, but it still should be clear in this story and headline.) Edited July 10, 2021 by PeterMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilverMaC Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 When I read the quote below, I feel like I am failing the test of being a decent human-being. I am having such a hard time not thinking they’ve earned where they are at instead of reserving judgement, let alone feeling compassion, for their situation. I’m sorry I feel that way. I’m sorry that the country is so divided that empathy for them is a struggle for me. I’m mad that their willful ignorance puts people I care about at risk. I’m mad that people who know better would rather lie and make the situation worse to further their ambitions than to admit an inconvenient truth. We’re about 1k deaths away from having lost more people to covid than the top 4 wars in our history combined. 606000+ dead Americans. 4 million+ world wide, and these people are surprised to find out it’s real… That it’s not some elaborate ****ing hoax that somehow the Democrats managed to convinced the entire rest of the world to join in on. If only someone had told them it was real, they would have gotten vaccinated… God help me, please. Quote Juarez said many of his hospitalized Covid-19 patients are "shocked" that Covid-19 truly exists and that it can make people very sick and even kill them. "A comment they make all the time is that they wish that they knew they were going to end up in the hospital this sick and they would have made a different choice and got the vaccine," he said 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 9 hours ago, MrSilverMaC said: When I read the quote below, I feel like I am failing the test of being a decent human-being. I am having such a hard time not thinking they’ve earned where they are at instead of reserving judgement, let alone feeling compassion, for their situation. I’m sorry I feel that way. I’m sorry that the country is so divided that empathy for them is a struggle for me. I’m mad that their willful ignorance puts people I care about at risk. I’m mad that people who know better would rather lie and make the situation worse to further their ambitions than to admit an inconvenient truth. Well you are obviously a more caring(?) individual than I am because I DO feel like they brought this on themselves and don't feel a shred of remorse. This whole thing has been a global IQ test and droves from the bottom of the food chain failed it hard, so color me shocked. NOW they want to weep and wring their hands and cry out "Oh, if someone had only told us!" Well someone did, someone tried, a slew of someones have yelled themselves hoarse over this and y'all shoved your fingers in your ears and La La La'd the day away. There are millions of people that deserve my compassion, and they get it. None of the vax tards are on the list. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilverMaC Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, LD0506 said: Well you are obviously a more caring(?) individual than I am because I DO feel like they brought this on themselves and don't feel a shred of remorse. This whole thing has been a global IQ test and droves from the bottom of the food chain failed it hard, so color me shocked. NOW they want to weep and wring their hands and cry out "Oh, if someone had only told us!" Well someone did, someone tried, a slew of someones have yelled themselves hoarse over this and y'all shoved your fingers in your ears and La La La'd the day away. There are millions of people that deserve my compassion, and they get it. None of the vax tards are on the list. I agree with it being an I.Q test, but I also think it’s a test of our humanity. That being said, I don’t think it’s necessarily that I’m more caring. Maybe just looking at it from a different perspective. I guess where I’m coming from on this is that the most gullible/dumbest among us have been purposely mislead for the benefit such a small, malignant few. People who most likely would have otherwise gotten vaccinated and been safe have plugged their ears and behaved like idiot kids. But their behavior didn’t happen in a vacuum. It’s the result of decades of misinformation. If the scenario was different and their choice wasn’t due to political stupidity, I would find it much less difficult to be empathetic. I feel bad for old people who fall victim to dumb scams, I’m just having a hard time feeling bad for these people. Regardless of why they’ve chosen the beliefs they have, we’re still losing people, and most of them leave a hole in someone’s life that will remain forever. Edited July 10, 2021 by MrSilverMaC 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Die Hard Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) On 7/7/2021 at 7:25 PM, China said: First-dose COVID-19 vaccinations plateau across Canada, threatening path to variant resilience Misleading article. Ontario is killing it right now. 80% of eligible people have 1st vaccination. 50% of eligible are double vaccinated. And the numbers for 12-16 year olds that are double vaccinated is very high as well. Ontario numbers now are like 160 new cases a day. It’s never been that low since the first few weeks this all started. I returned to work this week after taking all of June off. All my patients, regardless of age were already double vaxxed - and well past the 2 week post-jab threshold.. It’s unbelievable. Edited July 10, 2021 by Die Hard 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted July 11, 2021 Author Share Posted July 11, 2021 Common colds rising as pandemic restrictions ease; Southern Baptist Convention sparks small COVID cluster: Live COVID-19 updates After a historically mild flu season, a resurgence of common colds and other viruses in New Jersey signals what might be in store for the rest of the country as pandemic restrictions continue to be eased. While influenza and respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) dipped to record lows during the pandemic, the state health department in New Jersey said the overall level of respiratory viruses has been "higher than would typically be expected for this time of year." “We're in a different world now,” said Dr. Ashwin Jathavedam, an internist with Leonia Medical Associates and chief of infectious diseases at Englewood Health. “Most of these are mild infections, things that, pre-pandemic, you wouldn’t have thought twice about.” Increased testing to rule out COVID-19 has detected viruses that previously might have been shrugged off. And the relaxation of social-distancing requirements and reduction of mask-wearing have brought back conditions that enable viruses to flourish. Click on the link for the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Yep. I think I saw a stat that 2020 flu season was 1/1,000 of normal. Good thing we're fighting so hard to stop doing what's been working. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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China Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 Don't want to get vaccinated? Have another year of quarantine: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PeterMP Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Cooked Crack said: The hospital is trying to put the breaks on the idea that she died of Covid (though clearly she got Covid and died shortly there after, so it is hard to believe it isn't at least a contributing factor). https://www.theadvertiser.com/story/news/local/2021/07/12/lafayette-general-disputes-claim-nurse-died-covid-19/7945730002/ Also, just so everybody is clear, the vaccine is NOT designed to alter DNA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xameil Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 On 7/7/2021 at 12:35 PM, zskins said: Just thinking there wouldn't have been variants if people had started masking and social distancing from day one. Some of humans are stupid. Yes there would have been...virus' mutate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, Xameil said: Yes there would have been...virus' mutate. Evolution/mutation is associated with the size of the population. Having fewer people get the virus minimizes its ability to mutate and evolve simply by reducing the viruses population. It is impossible to say that you could take the number of more dangerous variants to 0. But absolutely by minimizing the number of people that get the virus we can (and could have) reduced the probability of their being mutants and variants. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xameil Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, PeterMP said: It is impossible to say that you could take the number of more dangerous variants to 0. This was my point...even by masking up it was bound to happen. And another thing that annoys me...everyone loves to point to a certain group of people, or area of the US...and yet Sweden...never had mask or quarantine mandates that I am aware of. Al that being said...I was a supporter of the masks and quarantines...just pointing out there's more to blame then people like to bring up. Edited July 13, 2021 by Xameil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Xameil said: This was my point...even by masking up it was bound to happen. And another thing that annoys me...everyone loves to point to a certain group of people, or area of the US...and yet Sweden...never had mask or quarantine mandates that I am aware of. Al that being said...I was a supporter of the masks and quarantines...just pointing out there's more to blame then people like to bring up. Well bound suggest a high probability to me. I'm not at all sure that's the case. The probability of this virus mutating in a way to negatively affect humans (i.e. be more infective to humans) was higher than existing human viruses that are well evolved to infect humans. But basic evolution is that most mutations are neutral or negative. The same almost certainly applies to this virus and infecting humans. I don't really see any reason why it was "bound" to happen (especially at the rate the vaccine became available). I guess given our world and the divisions we have, it was bound to happen. But in a more perfect world (where resources are more readily shared and people are more willing to sacrafice), it seems that it could have been prevented. Clearly, the problem is/was larger than the US. We have variant from all over the world. I don't thing we've gotten any of the more dangerous variants out of the more Republican (more rural; lower population) parts of the US. That's pretty reasonable. I don't think anybody is blaming anybody in the US for the evolution of the delta variant. Edited July 13, 2021 by PeterMP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xameil Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, PeterMP said: Well bound suggest a high probability to me. I'm not at all sure that's the case. The probability of this virus mutating in a way to negatively affect humans (i.e. be more infective to humans) was higher than existing human viruses that are well evolved to infect humans. But basic evolution is that most mutations are neutral or negative. The same almost certainly applies to this virus and infecting humans. I don't really see any reason why it was "bound" to happen (especially at the rate the vaccine became available). I guess given our world and the divisions we have, it was bound to happen. But in a more perfect world (where resources are more readily shared and people are more willing to sacrafice), it seems that it could have been prevented. Clearly, the problem is/was larger than the US. We have variant from all over the world. I don't thing we've gotten any of the more dangerous variants out of the more Republican (more rural; lower population) parts of the US. That's pretty reasonable. I don't think anybody is blaming anybody in the US for the evolution of the delta variant. Again, I'll have to disagree with you on the mutation being bound to happen. I respect your opinion, but that's all it is...as mine is. I'm not a virologist, but I do know that virus mutations happen. Masks and social distancing were never 100% effective. That was a known fact. So saying that doing both would have stopped the mutations was very short sighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Xameil said: Again, I'll have to disagree with you on the mutation being bound to happen. I respect your opinion, but that's all it is...as mine is. I'm not a virologist, but I do know that virus mutations happen. Masks and social distancing were never 100% effective. That was a known fact. So saying that doing both would have stopped the mutations was very short sighted. Mutations happen. That was pretty much unavoidable, but I don't think he really meant that. The first named variant (that was clearly more infectious among humans) doesn't appear until May 2020. By that time over 2 million people had globally gotten the virus. If we're at 1.5 million, it isn't hard to argue that we don't get that variant (at least not then). The next one is Sept. 2020. By then you have over 40 million people had the virus. Were we bound to have over 40 million people get the virus in under 1 year? I'm not a virologist either. Edited July 13, 2021 by PeterMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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