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WP: The hasty U.S. pullback from Syria is a searing moment in America’s withdrawal from the Middle East

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1 minute ago, Larry said:

 

If you're, say, the CIA DDO, do you tell Trump about this operation before it happens?  

 

Not claiming any inside knowledge whatsoever.  But I'd bet a good chunk of money that the thought of "do we not tell him about it till afterwards?" got some serious thought.  

I saw Hertling say on twitter that it likely would have required his approval though, so maybe they told him before it started at least.  We may find out soon one way or another.

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4 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

Trump will make this his Osama moment, but it isn’t.

 

The American public couldn’t tell you who the leader of ISIS is, and apparently dude off’d himself. Also ISIS posed no threat to the US, unlike the guy who masterminded several successful terror operations against the US.

The fact that the US public can’t name ISIS’s leader and knows nothing about him, is a failure of US media.  

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9 hours ago, Destino said:

The fact that the US public can’t name ISIS’s leader and knows nothing about him, is a failure of US media.  

Maybe

 

Although ISIS has never been the threat to the US the way our government has wanted to perceive them.

 

edit: to be clear for those that will be confused, the guy was a piece of poop and the world is better without him

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1 hour ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

Maybe

 

Although ISIS has never been the threat to the US the way our government has wanted to perceive them.

 

edit: to be clear for those that will be confused, the guy was a piece of poop and the world is better without him

I agree with you that ISIS was never an existential threat to the US or any western power.  Islamic terrorism has never been that.  The extent of Islamic terrorism's power has always been mass murder, but organized and planned mass murder isn't something that can be shrugged off.  Especially when they start grabbing land and threaten to create a nation that exists to further these goals along with genocide and state sanctioned slavery. 

 

As for the coverage, the media wrote thousands of stories and spoke about it on tv for thousands of hours.  I believe the vast majority of that was spent discussing what those fighting ISIS were doing wrong.  IMO that fails to paint an accurate picture.  Just ask yourself how many specific atrocities you remember covered in detail that were committed by ISIS.  How many news stories were dedicated to exhaustively examining their crimes and their leadership?  Any details of the bloody path they took to that ended with them being leaders among murders, rapists, and slavers? 

 

While this was all going on, ISIS was busy recruiting online.  Busy telling anyone that would listen that they were the real victims and that they were fighting the real bad guys.  A quick paragraph acknowledging that ISIS is bad in yet another story about how the fight against ISIS is putting civilians at risk, doesn't really do the job of countering that. 

 

 

 

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The coverage on ISIS has in fact been unquestionably overwhelmingly about their atrocities and how awful they are as a group (and rightfully so) but to an extent that it unfortunately overshadowed other awful actors and atrocities in Syria and the region as a whole.   Honestly there have been many many articles and books devoted to ISIS, their crimes. There are books on how ISIS is being fought and hunted down, books on how they came to be, books on how they operate,  books written by escaped slaves talking about what they experienced at their hands, etc. 

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10 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

to be clear for those that will be confused, the guy was a piece of poop and the world is better without him

 

 

1 hour ago, visionary said:

I guess they’re taking the long way home....

 

 

 

 

 

"It's OK, folks!  We're just here for the oil!"  

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9 hours ago, Destino said:

I agree with you that ISIS was never an existential threat to the US or any western power.  Islamic terrorism has never been that.  The extent of Islamic terrorism's power has always been mass murder, but organized and planned mass murder isn't something that can be shrugged off.  Especially when they start grabbing land and threaten to create a nation that exists to further these goals along with genocide and state sanctioned slavery. 

 

As for the coverage, the media wrote thousands of stories and spoke about it on tv for thousands of hours.  I believe the vast majority of that was spent discussing what those fighting ISIS were doing wrong.  IMO that fails to paint an accurate picture.  Just ask yourself how many specific atrocities you remember covered in detail that were committed by ISIS.  How many news stories were dedicated to exhaustively examining their crimes and their leadership?  Any details of the bloody path they took to that ended with them being leaders among murders, rapists, and slavers? 

 

While this was all going on, ISIS was busy recruiting online.  Busy telling anyone that would listen that they were the real victims and that they were fighting the real bad guys.  A quick paragraph acknowledging that ISIS is bad in yet another story about how the fight against ISIS is putting civilians at risk, doesn't really do the job of countering that. 

 

 

 


you are asking the US Corporate media structure to do something they are not interested in pursuing. 

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8 hours ago, visionary said:

The coverage on ISIS has in fact been unquestionably overwhelmingly about their atrocities and how awful they are as a group (and rightfully so) but to an extent that it unfortunately overshadowed other awful actors and atrocities in Syria and the region as a whole.   Honestly there have been many many articles and books devoted to ISIS, their crimes. There are books on how ISIS is being fought and hunted down, books on how they came to be, books on how they operate,  books written by escaped slaves talking about what they experienced at their hands, etc. 

 

I feel like if people don’t know about ISIS it’s because they don’t want to and couldn’t be bothered to pay attention. 
 

it’s certainly not because there’s not a ton of information out there. 
 

blaming mass media for not being informed is a lazy argument. One built on the same crap that has resulted in a ridiculously under-informed general public in just about everything (most of which firmly believe it’s not their fault they’re under-informed to such a staggeringly pathetic level)

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3 hours ago, tshile said:

blaming mass media for not being informed is a lazy argument. One built on the same crap that has resulted in a ridiculously under-informed general public in just about everything (most of which firmly believe it’s not their fault they’re under-informed to such a staggeringly pathetic level)

When the major networks choose to talk about whatever dumb thing trump did that day for 12 hours, they could cover that and some other things going on in the world. 

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6 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

When the major networks choose to talk about whatever dumb thing trump did that day for 12 hours, they could cover that and some other things going on in the world. 


The major TV “news” networks are a completely reactionary ****show of whatever is happening domestically within the day. 
 

But major news organization like the NYT extensively covered ISIS in remarkable detail. The Guardian was also really, really good in its coverage over the years. VICE had correspondents visiting Raqqa and filming inside when it was ISIS controlled. There has been a wealth of information available to the public on this issue and it’s not particularly hard to find. 
 

At the end of the day, it is not the job of the press to spoon feed the public critical information about the world around them.

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1 minute ago, NoCalMike said:

People shun the NYT and "mainstream media" and instead get their news from other folks' Facebook feeds, Fox, & cable news, yet wonder why they are terribly uninformed. 

 

Actually, I seem to remember a survey, 5-10 years ago, of how informed Americans were about current issues, and where they got their news from.  

 

And the most informed people (by news source) were the people who got their news from:

 

The Daily Show.  

 

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1 minute ago, Larry said:

 

Actually, I seem to remember a survey, 5-10 years ago, of how informed Americans were about current issues, and where they got their news from.  

 

And the most informed people (by news source) were the people who got their news from:

 

The Daily Show.  

 

 

Remember the study that showed people who exclusively get their news from Fox (and other various random right-wing outlets) are actually less informed than folks who generally don't watch any news period. 

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