Bonez3 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Yes to Tyrell Williams in a big way. Immediate #1 on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 years 52 MILLION for Smith???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbothwel Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Year 2 of Collins's contract will be painful, but we'll be able to cut him after that, or perhaps renegotiate him. Nine million in dead money is painful, but less painful than paying 17 million for a box safety. A negative long term consequence of this signing is the fact that we redefined safety salaries. Now they can get paid top cornerback money. Which in term will raise the cost of corners. That'll haunt everyone. And we wonder why the league hates us. Steve... I think you mean Year 3. Collins counts 4M and 14M the 1st two years. Year 3 is 17.2M and really the issue, but Im really not worried about it. We have Norman, Trent, and Kerrigan all off the books after next year and Alex Smith can be cut at that point as well saving us another 13M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: When you’re digging EXTRA DEEP to sell the “dumpster fire narrative”! #boxsafety #everybodyhatesus Why are you mocking the box safety term? Do you know what that is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, SemperFi Skins said: I assume Kelvin Benjamin will be much cheaper than Tyrell Williams who I've honestly never heard of until this past season... Kelvin, although seems like an asshole, put up big numbers his first two years in Carolina. KB is awful at football. No thanks. Can't separate, plays soft at his size, can't catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dballer Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, SemperFi Skins said: I assume Kelvin Benjamin will be much cheaper than Tyrell Williams who I've honestly never heard of until this past season... Kelvin, although seems like an asshole, put up big numbers his first two years in Carolina. Would take Williams over Kelvin a million times out of a million. I wouldn't take Kelvin Benjamin for free. Kelvin is lazy and out of shape. Bad attitude. Drops. Slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: It's how you operate when your main goal is to survive until next season. But you don't get to have job security in any organization when you botch your QB situation as badly as Allen and Gruden have. No regime deserves a fourth chance there. Allen, at the very least, should have been put out of his misery by now. The desperation creates bad decision-making, which leads to more bad decision-making to cope with prior bad decisions. We are always going to be paying this piper with this FO structure. They couldn't even get ahead of the curve when Kirk Cousins's unlikely emergence profoundly saved all of their asses the first time they ****ed up. RG3 predates Gruden. Gruden came in while he was still around, but he still spent a good chunk of that year injured. So Gruden's QBs have been Cousins and Smith. And if the Redskins roster is as inferior as people say then Cousins performance with the Vikings showed he'd have never been the teams savior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Tyrell Williams Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV 2015 23 SDG 16 4 0 5 2 90 45.0 1 80 0.5 22.5 40.0% 2 45.0 90 1 0 1 2016 24 SDG WR 16 16 12 119 69 1059 15.3 7 51 4.3 66.2 58.0% 69 15.3 1059 7 0 9 2017 25 LAC WR 16 16 15 69 43 728 16.9 4 75 2.7 45.5 62.3% 43 16.9 728 4 1 6 2018 26 LAC lcb/wr 16 16 10 65 41 653 15.9 5 75 2.6 40.8 63.1% Kelvin Benjamin 2014 23 CAR WR 13 16 15 145 73 1008 13.8 9 51 4.6 63.0 50.3% 73 13.8 1008 9 1 8 2016 25 CAR WR 13 16 13 118 63 941 14.9 7 50 3.9 58.8 53.4% 63 14.9 941 7 1 7 2017 26 2TM 14 14 78 48 692 14.4 3 43 3.4 49.4 61.5% Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV 32 14.8 475 2 0 4 2018 27 2TM 15 10 67 25 380 15.2 1 40 1.7 25.3 37.3% Kelvin had a down year and switched teams... still much cheaper than Tyrell Williams and I believe both of them would be a gamble. Don't forget Cam Sims is also on the roster, just ended on IR last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Preston smith is good against the run, and that’s about it. We can get a good edge rusher in the 2nd or 3rd this year and replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bonez3 said: Yes to Tyrell Williams in a big way. Immediate #1 on the roster. I guess he's #1, because he's better than what's here. But he's also a guy that the Chargers had throw up over 1000 yards in 2016 when Keenan Allen went down. And then when Allen came back, the Chargers decided to draft a WR in the top 10 anyway in 2017 to push Tyrell back to #3 at best. Which isn't encouraging if you wanted that guy to be your #1. And at what cost? If Funches can get $10 million, shouldn't Williams get at least $12 million a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 This draft is also deep with receivers. No reason to spend lots of cash on a wr in free agency when we can get one cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, Skin'emAlive said: Preston smith is good against the run, and that’s about it. We can get a good edge rusher in the 2nd or 3rd this year and replace him. He flashed against the run because that's what we were asking him to do. It does not break my heart to see him go, but it would not surprise me in the least if he has double digit sacks this year in GB if they use him in a pass rusher role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, carex said: RG3 predates Gruden. Gruden came in while he was still around, but he still spent a good chunk of that year injured. So Gruden's QBs have been Cousins and Smith. And if the Redskins roster is as inferior as people say then Cousins performance with the Vikings showed he'd have never been the teams savior 1 Don't you hate it when your narratives get mixed up and overlap? lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, pcbothwel said: Steve... I think you mean Year 3. Collins counts 4M and 14M the 1st two years. Year 3 is 17.2M and really the issue, but Im really not worried about it. We have Norman, Trent, and Kerrigan all off the books after next year and Alex Smith can be cut at that point as well saving us another 13M. I was talking about year three being the one where we cut Collins. He'll definitely be here year two because that dead cap figure is way too high to cut him then. But he'll almost certainly be cut or renegotiated year three because 17 million is an untenable cap hit for the position and the savings will be worth the dead cap hit. I don't like carrying around all of this dead cap money, and pushing pain an offseason or two away. It keeps us in a cycle of dead cap space and we end up having to let people walk. Plus I don't want the next regime to be hamstrung in their first and second offseasons by the mistakes of this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonez3 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Jericho said: I guess he's #1, because he's better than what's here. But he's also a guy that the Chargers had throw up over 1000 yards in 2016 when Keenan Allen went down. And then when Allen came back, the Chargers decided to draft a WR in the top 10 anyway in 2017 to push Tyrell back to #3 at best. Which isn't encouraging if you wanted that guy to be your #1. And at what cost? If Funches can get $10 million, shouldn't Williams get at least $12 million a year? The cost to me would be Crowder range money... 8-9 mil a year. Williams is a big target, good hands and experienced. Not an elite WR, but a true #1. The cuts to Brown, McGee and maybe one of the TE's would make this a nice signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, Skin'emAlive said: This draft is also deep with receivers. No reason to spend lots of cash on a wr in free agency when we can get one cheaper. I agree with that... I've stated many times that Deebo Samuel is my favorite WR in this class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dballer Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, SemperFi Skins said: Tyrell Williams Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV 2015 23 SDG 16 4 0 5 2 90 45.0 1 80 0.5 22.5 40.0% 2 45.0 90 1 0 1 2016 24 SDG WR 16 16 12 119 69 1059 15.3 7 51 4.3 66.2 58.0% 69 15.3 1059 7 0 9 2017 25 LAC WR 16 16 15 69 43 728 16.9 4 75 2.7 45.5 62.3% 43 16.9 728 4 1 6 2018 26 LAC lcb/wr 16 16 10 65 41 653 15.9 5 75 2.6 40.8 63.1% Kelvin Benjamin 2014 23 CAR WR 13 16 15 145 73 1008 13.8 9 51 4.6 63.0 50.3% 73 13.8 1008 9 1 8 2016 25 CAR WR 13 16 13 118 63 941 14.9 7 50 3.9 58.8 53.4% 63 14.9 941 7 1 7 2017 26 2TM 14 14 78 48 692 14.4 3 43 3.4 49.4 61.5% You cut off Benjamins 2018... He was good his first two years. Big, young target. Then he got out of shape, then he stopped caring. Trust me I am in Carolina country, I saw and heard plenty of Kelvin. Also take into the account that Tyrell was the 3rd option, at best. Kelvin was the #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonez3 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Skin'emAlive said: This draft is also deep with receivers. No reason to spend lots of cash on a wr in free agency when we can get one cheaper. My previous post suggested we go WR in round 1, I agree. But Williams will be a guy who gets open more than Doctson & Richardson. Richardson probably cut after next year and Doctson might not be in the league. I'd like to have Williams as the building piece at a price range of 8-10 mill a year on 4 year deal. Still drafting a WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, dballer said: You cut off Benjamins 2018... He was good his first two years. Big, young target. Then he got out of shape, then he stopped caring. Trust me I am in Carolina country, I saw and heard plenty of Kelvin. Also take into the account that Tyrell was the 3rd option, at best. Kelvin was the #1. I added 2018 shortly thereafter Tyrell as the #1 this year had less than 700 yards. Benjamin was averaging 1000 yards as the #1. He had a down year, didn't start, and was between 2-3 teams this year. Not saying he's the best thing since sliced bread, however, I am saying he's just as much a gamble as Williams is and I certainly wouldn't pay that kind of money to Williams that he's requesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Wewwww 👍 at least he didn't land with the Giants.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Too late, Chargers signing LB Thomas Davis... Packers releasing OLB Nick Perry due to the signings of Smith and Smith. I assume Clay Matthews will be out as well. (Not advocating for either one of these guys) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, carex said: RG3 predates Gruden. Gruden came in while he was still around, but he still spent a good chunk of that year injured. So Gruden's QBs have been Cousins and Smith. And if the Redskins roster is as inferior as people say then Cousins performance with the Vikings showed he'd have never been the teams savior Gruden was hired to salvage RGIII's career. He failed, but RGIII's injuries and Kirk's surprising emergence gave Gruden the mulligan he needed. He would have been fired years ago if Kirk hadn't become a good starting QB. Make no mistake, that's what Kirk is. This roster is not inferior, it's mostly built and we'd be a lot better off today if we had just paid Kirk. The FO ****ed the dog on that situation and we're still bailing water trying to recover from the mistake. I know this FO would prefer for fan memory to go back only a couple of months, but It's not lost on me that we couldn't find the money to pay Kirk, but we could find the money to pay Alex Smith and reset the safety market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Who's Tyrell Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, SemperFi Skins said: I agree with that... I've stated many times that Deebo Samuel is my favorite WR in this class. Deebo has linsfranc problems. We would be foolish to bring him to Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 26 minutes ago, SemperFi Skins said: Sign Derrick Morgan or Shaq Barrett to replace Smith shortterm with hopes of drafting someone on the edge. Anderson can still play rotational or can play some ILB as well. Eh, I don't see a point in getting an older short term option to try and start. Take the training wheels off for Anderson this year. We need to know what he can do as a starter. We can go cheaper at OLB and get a vet back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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