Larry Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 23 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said: That's alright, I call everyone south of New York a Brazilian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 So Buttigieg was mad that a debate was taking place last night? What an odd thing to be upset about on the debate stage lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bozo the kKklown Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Quote Democrats need an antiracist nominee against a racist like Donald Trump. The third debate confirmed that the former vice president isn’t up to the task. Rahm Emanuel helped Chicago police cover up Laquan McDonald’s murder for more than a year, but ABC viewers Thursday night had to listen to him say he thought Julián Castro had been too unkind to Joe Biden. Since it requires the least analysis and garners the most eyeballs, the punditry after presidential debates tends to be focused primarily upon the most tense moments, not the substantive ones. Castro, an underdog candidate who once served as President Obama’s HUD secretary, gave pundits like the disgraced former mayor considerable grist when he rather bluntly questioned the septuagenarian former vice president’s memory during a discussion about health care. “I think for Castro — he could have made the point, he had a legitimate point, but it’s a disqualifier the way he handled it,” Emanuel said shortly after ABC began its postgame coverage. “It will come across as mean and vindictive. That’s not who he is.” (He is an expert in “mean and vindictive” himself, so feigning horror at Castro’s attack is pretty rich. Emanuel is clearly better at hiding videotapes.) I don’t know whether people like Emanuel have forgotten whom these Democrats are preparing to run against. If Castro’s point was correct, which it seems he wasn’t, how is it disqualifying if it’s only perceived as rude? Will they spend all of the general election scolding Donald Trump for being too cruel and obnoxious to their nominee? Perhaps they will, if it is Biden, a person whom party centrists like Emanuel are already prone to coddling. Treating the 76-year-old front-runner so delicately is arguably more insulting than questioning his mental fitness, especially considering the incumbent whom he is preparing to run against. Donald Trump is not merely a bully, but a racist one. Bigotry has been the marrow of his presidency, so whoever hopes to face him next year will need to at least be fluent in the language of antiracism, if not be practicing it. It is not enough, as author Ibram X. Kendi writes in his new book How to Be an Antiracist, to simply claim that you are “not a racist.” Democrats, particularly white liberals, have skated on that for generations. There is too much institutional cruelty for the next president to undo should a Democrat defeat Trump next fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cooked Crack Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 TYT? MUST-WATCH? Nina Turner? That's going to be a no from me, dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 11 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said: The disconnect here is staggering. The stakes are so high so lets cut the knees out of the front runner that has a great chance to beat Trump. People that want to keep searching for the perfect candidate are only going to be disappointed. Oh, and **** Castro too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Biden has been cutting his own throat the whole campaign, but people are desperately trying to hold in the blood with paper towels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 24 minutes ago, visionary said: Biden has been cutting his own throat the whole campaign, but people are desperately trying to hold in the blood with paper towels. I don't think there's a single leading candidate that hasn't looked bad at one point or another. Especially when the media coverage is focused on them. The microscope they're under is unbearable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Biden makes so many gaffes that nobody cares, except super liberals. This is who he is. I would think that the gaffes make him authentic, especially among rural folks. The polls show Biden beating Trump handily. Other candidates are all risky. Now personally, I align more with Elizabeth Warren, but practically speaking, she will have a hard time in the rust belt. I find myself switching between Biden and Warren quite a bit. I just don't see Biden losing to Trump. Biden makes so many mistakes that he is basically immune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 26 minutes ago, redskins59 said: Now personally, I align more with Elizabeth Warren, but practically speaking, she will have a hard time in the rust belt. I don’t think she will because her policies will directly benefit the voters in those rural and rust belt areas. 26 minutes ago, redskins59 said: Biden makes so many gaffes that nobody cares, except super liberals. This is who he is. I would think that the gaffes make him authentic, especially among rural folks. The polls show Biden beating Trump handily. Other candidates are all risky. This our chance to show the country that we are not Trump. America is better than that. And sure Biden is better than that but he is not or best candidate by far, I don’t care what polls show now. He is not the anti-trump candidate we need to present to the country . He is old, slipping mentally, constantly incoherent, gaffes all the time, doesn’t have the best record, racist undertones, and is either outright lying often or is far more mentally unstable than we realize. Not to mention, Biden inspires nobody and represents no change to the status quo which means the Dem base will collectively yawn at his candidacy. We will lose more seats in the senate. We will lose house seats. This is not the candidate we need at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 22 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: I don’t think she will because her policies will directly benefit the voters in those rural and rust belt areas. This our chance to show the country that we are not Trump. America is better than that. And sure Biden is better than that but he is not or best candidate by far, I don’t care what polls show now. He is not the anti-trump candidate we need to present to the country . He is old, slipping mentally, constantly incoherent, gaffes all the time, doesn’t have the best record, racist undertones, and is either outright lying often or is far more mentally unstable than we realize. Not to mention, Biden inspires nobody and represents no change to the status quo which means the Dem base will collectively yawn at his candidacy. We will lose more seats in the senate. We will lose house seats. This is not the candidate we need at this time. This is how Democrats lose. People thinking it’s about policy. It has nothing to do with policy against Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Lulz, Warren is a socialist and her policies don’t relate to the rust belt. Granted, Biden is also a socialist, but he seems more relatable to the rust belt than an elitist know it all like Warren. (how rust belt people see it probably) Also, if you want an inspirational candidate then you gotta vote Bernie. He’s the only one out there that puts off an inspirational and transcendent vibe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Hersh said: The disconnect here is staggering. The stakes are so high so lets cut the knees out of the front runner that has a great chance to beat Trump. People that want to keep searching for the perfect candidate are only going to be disappointed. Oh, and **** Castro too. Just say you don’t care about those issues, it’s easier. 1 hour ago, redskins59 said: Biden makes so many gaffes that nobody cares, except super liberals. Biden’s dismissal of that question wasn’t a gaffe. 1 hour ago, redskins59 said: Elizabeth Warren, but practically speaking, she will have a hard time in the rust belt. Do you even know what rust belt voters want to make a statement like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted September 14, 2019 Author Share Posted September 14, 2019 Trump's going to win anyway, baring a recession. Sorry, progressives. For whatever energized base/younger voters Sanders/Warren brings in, they are going to lose a good chunk of the older/centrist voters. Trump will win. Sorry Biden fans, he will not beat Trump. We already have one mentally incompetent president. Joe Biden is not mentally capable of handling the presidency. He's too old. You see it daily that he doesn't have the mental capabilities anymore. Trump will eat his lunch. I don't see anyone in the Democratic field beating Trump. The best thing for Dems is just to go with Warren because the voters that do vote her, may help the Dems win the Senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 And here I thought it was only Republicans who would actually argue that an inability to go 48 hours without screwing up his lines is either a consequence of the intollerable media attention, or a desirable quality because it makes the person less elite and more middle America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 I’m just happy that the Bernie Bros have moved on from the “Biden molests children” deal. It’s shows a bit of personal growth. Small victories and all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 30 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: I’m just happy that the Bernie Bros have moved on from the “Biden molests children” deal. It’s shows a bit of personal growth. Small victories and all... Nobody said he molested children but his inability to respect people’s personal space and how handsy and creepy he is, especially with younger women, is still a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: Nobody said he molested children but his inability to respect people’s personal space and how handsy and creepy he is, especially with younger women, is still a problem. Had I participated in it, I would wish to deny it ever occurred as well. But I didn’t, so I don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Rdskns2000 said: Sorry, progressives. For whatever energized base/younger voters Sanders/Warren brings in, they are going to lose a good chunk of the older/centrist voters. Trump will win. I know he’s a long shot and everybody is sick of my Beto posts but this is why Beto is the perfect candidate to run against Trump. His contrasts are stark. He is young, energetic, handsome, charismatic, articulate and passionate. He is well liked and doesn’t have the same political baggage or enemies that either Warren or Sanders have after decades in Congress. He has progressive policies and appeals strongly to minorities yet is a better package for them so much that he doesn’t get that radical socialist label that scares off the moderates in the party. And more importantly, he would campaign everywhere and GOTV in a way that Hilary couldn’t and none of the other candidates can either. He will run up the score in blue states and has the capacity with his youth appeal to win red states like NC, GA and Texas. We can win back the senate with him. He is the perfect candidate for the moment. Look i I agree with what Bernie and Warren are saying. I’m just not sure either of them are the best candidate to deliver it. Bernie is kinda crazy and honestly comes across that way. He’s the screaming old man whose shtick is kinda run it’s course and I don’t think that’s a strong counter to Trump. Warren is a young 72 but I’m not sure that she can as effectively energize the base or that she will go to to toe with Trump when pushed. Presentation matters. And this campaign needs to be grueling. We need a candidate that can just post up in the rust belt for weeks. Post up in Florida, NC, Texas etc. can she do that? I know Beto will campaign nonstop. I know his youth and new voter turnout will be immense. He’s done it before. The shift he led in Texas in 2018 set the foundation and structure for the party in the state and is why people think it’s in play now. Imagine that in other states and how that can impact state level races we will need. Beto in the middle of primary season went to Bland county Va the most rural and pro Trump county in Va to talk to those people. Imagine not neglecting other Dem voters nationally and how much of an impact that can make. Not to mention he’s pretty popular among independents. Anyway. Rant over 6 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: Had I participated in it, I would wish to deny it ever occurred as well. But I didn’t, so I don’t. who said he was a child molester? I sure didn’t and don’t recall anyone else here either. Show me the receipts if you’ve got them. But aside from that, it’s 2019, we don’t need some creepy old guy getting handsy with people on the campaign for months and then dismissing it as a concern and joking about it. That **** is a problem whether you choose to care about it or not. It’s especially a problem when we are trying to run a counter to trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Springfield said: Lulz, Warren is a socialist and her policies don’t relate to the rust belt. Granted, Biden is also a socialist, but he seems more relatable to the rust belt than an elitist know it all like Warren. (how rust belt people see it probably) Also, if you want an inspirational candidate then you gotta vote Bernie. He’s the only one out there that puts off an inspirational and transcendent vibe. Warren is not a democratic socialist, she's a social democrat that wants to save capitalism. This conversation is impossible if we don't talk about what socialism is, and the media is not doing us any favors on that. The only actual socialist on the stage is Bernie, having some more programs that would be considered socialist does no justice to the reality and most countries already have some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Beto is going to be the Vice President nominee, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Hersh said: This is how Democrats lose. People thinking it’s about policy. It has nothing to do with policy against Trump Disagree, people that love Trump believe that he'd be willing to do anything to address the platform they support, even if it means bending or outright breaking the law. You don't need a candidate on the left to go that far, but you can't put someone on the stage that people don't believe will go as far as they can to help them. That was one of the biggest problem with Hillary, the platform was dominated by Bernie's push of the party to the left, but no one took her seriously on doing it and she barely even tried to campaign in the blue wall, just took them for granted. Her tone-deafness in West Virginia was staggering, get rid of coal with no plan for the coal miners to find other jobs in a state decimated by underemployment and drug epidemics? Policy and belief a candidate will actually address that policy go hand in hand. People aren't voting for Trump because of his sense of humor, look at every line he's willing to cross to address illegal immigration, this has been a talking point of the GOP for as long as I can remember. 7 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Beto is going to be the Vice President nominee, imo. The only potential potential problem I see with Beto being Warren's running mate is having to defend her plan to get rid of private insurance. If she would say that she would support MFA without getting rid of private insurance to keep from getting nothing at all, that opens the door for his Medicare Public Option plan. I'd be fine with getting rid of public insurance, but moderate democrats won't support it, let alone republicans in congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 2 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Just say you don’t care about those issues, it’s easier. You can shove that statement up your ass. Don't ever come at me like that. Trump needs to go and every Dem is better than Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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