Hail2theSkins24 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Budda Baker would be a fun guy to have on our D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 59 minutes ago, Hailmary70 said: Can anyone tell me if this upcoming draft is particularly deep at any one position? Thanks Its hugely deep in "sleepers" and "UDFA." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail2theSkins24 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 After seeing Donte Whitner embarrass himself Monday night and getting frozen on a deep ball, I dug into safety prospects in this draft. There is a lot of talent, I'm not nearly qualified to see how they project into the NFL. But Tedric Thompson and Marcus Maye are excellent options in the mid rounds. Watching some Florida tape, it's impossible not to recognize Jarrad Davis. He is a bad man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 3 hours ago, Hail2theSkins24 said: After seeing Donte Whitner embarrass himself Monday night and getting frozen on a deep ball, I dug into safety prospects in this draft. There is a lot of talent, I'm not nearly qualified to see how they project into the NFL. But Tedric Thompson and Marcus Maye are excellent options in the mid rounds. Where would you say they're better suited to play, lineup, as? Su'a Cravens is supposed to move to SS next season, so someone with a bit more range would be desirable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail2theSkins24 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 @Alcoholic Zebra Maye is a little more versatile, both would be fits as FS. Thompson suffered a pretty severe concussion a couple years back which is certainly a red flag, but I still see him going in the 3-4th round range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 10 hours ago, Hailmary70 said: Can anyone tell me if this upcoming draft is particularly deep at any one position? Thanks Defense looks pretty stacked in this draft. I'd say edge rusher, corner, running back, center -- maybe safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 5 hours ago, Hail2theSkins24 said: After seeing Donte Whitner embarrass himself Monday night and getting frozen on a deep ball, I dug into safety prospects in this draft. There is a lot of talent, I'm not nearly qualified to see how they project into the NFL. But Tedric Thompson and Marcus Maye are excellent options in the mid rounds. Watching some Florida tape, it's impossible not to recognize Jarrad Davis. He is a bad man Enough of the Whitner BS. We signed him after Hall went out, knowing Blackmon sucks. What else could we have done? People act like he was part of the plan, instead of anybody off the street. That said, sucks hooker isn't coming out, because a safety always goes top 10 and that's Adams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail2theSkins24 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 @Koolblue13 Adams is a stud, but I think Hooker is going to be the better pro. Staying one more year will be so beneficial, I think he'll go as high as Berry did next year. Don't get too disappointed missing out on Adams, this is a good safety bunch this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderDOOM Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Cam Sutton being the 10-12th rannked corner says a lot about the talent at that position. 1st round corners are iffy though so u got to look at them REAL close. Florida and Clemson corners Yes....Alabama corners NO. JMO WR's are good these days coming out of college. This year has Mike Williams out of Clemson who will be bigtime. Guys like Ryan Switzer and James Washington are mid round picks that could have good careers. TE and ILber have IMo 3 guys each who are better than the tops of last year. DeMarcus Walker is on the edge of top 5 edge rushers. I must've watched all his great games because when I saw him he took over games. 4 guys better than him?? The fat boys on the DL are what I'm lookin at around the new year. Besides Allen, who can still beast against top level comp?? Michigan vs. FSU , Bama vs. Washinton. Star's bro vs. Feeney, Iowa vs. Florida has 2, Auburn vs. Oklahoma...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 It is about impossible to know where anyone will fall until after the combine. But some really good draft guys out there have Mcdowell making down into the 20's. If he is on the board at our pick we have to pick him.....Of course I could say that about 5 other guys as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail2theSkins24 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 KD Cannon is going to be a star in the NFL. What a talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I think Harold Landry is a first round talent. He is super twitchy and agile. Elite balance, first step, and lateral quickness. Reads the field well. He also has a competitive fire that you see in the way he battles tackles who are much bigger than him. Length is a weakness. He gives up size at DE. Not going to be a brilliant run defender. But he's one of the best pass rushers in the class. He reminds me of Vic Beasley and Shane Ray and looks better than Noah Spence was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I have mixed feelings about Zach Cunningham. His size and length are special for a stack linebacker. Honestly, he's built more like a DE than a LBer. As such, he demonstrates outstanding strength when he takes on blockers at the LoS and he looks really good playing downhill. He also eats up a lot of ground in pursuit with those long strides and when he can leave his feet to make a tackle from a mile away. Reminds me of Jaylon Smith in that way. His major weakness is the lack of strength in his base. He's got skinny legs and is not a twitchy athlete. He is fluid, but he isn't quick when he is shifting his weight and flipping his hips because he has to gather himself for it. And you don't see him generate a lot of hard contacts on ball carriers. He's not explosive like Jaylon Smith was. But he's more instinctive and fundamentally sound than Smith was. Better take on strength and ability to win with leverage in the run game. I think he's a really clean player who is probably going to be a good and productive starter for a long time. But I'm not going to lie, he's not a sexy pick for a first round ILB. He is not explosive and doesn't generate big plays. You're drafting an assignment sure 130+ tackles a season guy instead. And I think there are going to be better players available at our pick in the first round. For example, Christian McCaffery is a far bigger and more impactful talent than Cunningham. I would much rather draft McCaffrey if both were sitting there. Unless he gets projected as an edge rusher, it wouldn't surprise me if Cunningham ended up going in the second round. He's better than almost all of the other ILBs in the class, many of whom look flawed, but players like him are a tough sell in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 On 12/27/2016 at 1:26 AM, squatch66 said: You can never have too many pass rushers so maybe he is starting to look for another guy to push Preston. That's what KC did year after year it seemed when they drafted Poe and Ford and Jones and someone else. Worked pretty well for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail2theSkins24 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 @stevemcqueen1 Good posts. I'm higher on Cunningham than you, but can't argue much with your points. There is no doubt he needs to get stronger, but he reminds me of Jamie Collins so much. In fact, he is in the mold of Collins, with a very high football IQ. Lots of impressive people around him consider him one of the smartest/most instinctual players they've seen. I think he's one of those guys you draft and by Year 3, maybe 2, he's the face and leader of your D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I'd be happy with Cunningham or Adams. That's my choice right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail2theSkins24 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: I'd be happy with Cunningham or Adams. That's my choice right now. I don't think either will be available at 32 but you never know. Adams is a fun tape to watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Are there any LBs in the mold of Ryan Shazier? That dude is a beast of a MLB, quick and powerful at the point of attack. He can rush the passer or drop into coverage on TEs. I would love to add someone like that to the middle of our defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 18 minutes ago, Hail2theSkins24 said: @stevemcqueen1 Good posts. I'm higher on Cunningham than you, but can't argue much with your points. There is no doubt he needs to get stronger, but he reminds me of Jamie Collins so much. In fact, he is in the mold of Collins, with a very high football IQ. Lots of impressive people around him consider him one of the smartest/most instinctual players they've seen. I think he's one of those guys you draft and by Year 3, maybe 2, he's the face and leader of your D I love the instincts and I love the length and ability to take on blockers at the point of attack and hold his ground. He plays with good functional power and I wonder if he has some wrestling in his background? I say that because he tackles like Robert Quinn did at UNC, and Quinn was a wrestler. He's got a lot of body control and looks very comfortable making plays off his frame. He's an odd player. He's physical and doesn't shy from contact. But he doesn't hit hard. He's fluid and runs well in the open field, but he's not quick. I think his lack of explosiveness and pop comes down to him having skinny legs and lacking the lower half strength to really lay the wood. Maybe he could be a Jamie Collins type down the road, but I think that takes projecting him as a pass rusher, which is a wrinkle he hasn't really shown in college. He certainly has the size and length to do some pass rushing, so the projection wouldn't be off base. But we don't really know if he can do it. I think he's a safe bet to be a quality starter, and I think he's the second best ILB I've watched so far, after Foster. But I don't really see playmaker or star in him. And I don't think you take that kind of ILB in the first round, unless you think you can develop those pass rushing tools and use him in that facet as well. Or maybe the leadership skills and intangibles are special enough that you can justify him late in the first. But we can't really know too much about that from where we sit. Otherwise, LBs like him typically go in the second round or later. On the whole, I'm not as impressed by this ILB class as I was by last year's group. There will certainly be some gems, but the top end of the class isn't as good as last year's and it's not as deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskindan07 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Just saw a mock showing the Skins taking Peppers at #20. It got me thinking about Cravins on one side and Peppers on the other... Hmmn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Actually, did some more thinking about Cunningham and Hail2TheSkins24 might be on to something about him being a raw prospect that could blossom into a stud two to three years down the road. Reason being: Vandy is not Florida or Texas or Alabama. The reason his lower half might be underdeveloped might not be because he's a bit of an ectomorph, but instead it could be that his nutrition and strength training just aren't on par with the prospects from the power programs. I'd like to see what an NFL strength and conditioning program could do for him. If he becomes a significantly more explosive athlete in a couple of years, then he could be special. He's got a really big frame that's probably capable of carrying 250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderDOOM Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Imo, Foster is the best ILb coming in since Luke. He's fast, can play the pass, strong, can hit, and was taught by Saban after a long line of good lbs. I wouldn't mind trading up for him. Cunningham I believe has the potential to be almost as good but like someone earlier said(and he does tackle like a wrestler) , its based on projecting him to do something he hasn't done a lot of. He got IT though. I could see a little Clay Mathews in his game. Has anybody watched Hardy Nickerson Jr?? If he had the size...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail2theSkins24 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Dorian Johnson, G from Pitt could be a target for us in the 4th. Elite measurables and some nastiness to him. Probably not a day 1 starter but could develop into a solid starting Left Guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Dan Feeney and Dion Dawkins, what are the round projection on those.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail2theSkins24 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 @UK SKINS FAN '74 I think both go in 2nd round, Dawkins a little higher than Feeney. I've seen a bit of Dawkins and not a whole lot on Feeney. Dawkins projects as a good RT at next level, but I can see him playing guard as well. He came to Temple as a DL so he has the versatility to play a few different positions along the Oline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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