Duckus Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) My gut says she did kill herself - but it should be fully investigated to rule out any foul play of course. The frustrating part is the arrest. She was being rude - but that happens. As a cop you can't escalate a situation because someone is a dick to you. You just can't. You got to smile and take it. He should have torn up his warning. Written her a ticket and then got in his car. Edited July 22, 2015 by Duckus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Isn't the big issues in all this that people merely want these situations examined more closely and investigated by a 3rd party. That kind of thing should be happening first. Then we can go from there. I think a big portion of the anger is that when citizens end up dead, cops are mostly allowed to offer up their story and then be on their way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 If that video is edited, no matter why it was or how the investigation ends the people that put out doctored footage and misrepresented it should be fired at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 My gut says she did kill herself - but it should be fully investigated to rule out any foul play of course. My gut is recollecting a passage from Alice's Restaurant.  After the ordeal, we drove back to the police officer station. Obie said he was gonna put us in the cell.  "Kid. I'm gonna put you in the cell. Gimme your wallet and your belt."  And I said "Obie? I can understand you wanting my wallet, so I don;t have any money to spend in the cell. But, what do you want my belt for?"  Obie said "Kid, we don;t want any hangings."  I said "Obie, did you think I was gonna kill myself, for littering?"   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 The frustrating part is the arrest. She was being rude - but that happens. As a cop you can't escalate a situation because someone is a dick to you. You just can't. You got to smile and take it.The opposite is true. Cops can be absolutely awful and make demands for no reason other than to demonstrate their power over people, but citizens can't be rude. Being rude justifies further action by police. They can issue commands without justification and they suffer no penalty, failure to obey them however lands you in jail. They can slam you into the ground, and you have to remain perfectly still, or you'll be accused of resisting. They can err on the side of caution and kill people, you have to react exactly right or you die.The expectations of ideal behavior are entirely on the untrained party when interacting with police. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) We stopped training people to respect authority. Just look at all the bumper stickers on the vw beetles and subaru foresters Edited July 23, 2015 by Major Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 So when did demanding someone put their cigarette out, in their own car, become a lawful order? If someone asks an officer what am I being arrested for, doesn't the officer have the obligation to tell them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 We stopped training people to respect authority. Just look at all the bumper stickers on the vw beetles and subaru foresters   are you saying that as a good thing or a bad thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 We stopped training people to respect authority. Just look at all the bumper stickers on the vw beetles and subaru foresters  Shouldn't authority be worthy of that respect? I think those in authority in police departments confuse respect with fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 are you saying that as a good thing or a bad thing? No respect for authority is a bad thing and it has played out more and more. Shouldn't authority be worthy of that respect? I think those in authority in police departments confuse respect with fear. Yes to your question. As to the 2nd part, that's a pretty broad statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 We stopped training people to respect authority. Just look at all the bumper stickers on the vw beetles and subaru foresters     (this kind of **** all started when they put fluoride in the drinking water and polluted our precious bodily fluids and whites and coloreds started getting hitched out in the open, and then those long-haired anti-establishment foreign-god/pseudo-god-worshiping atheists,  "The BEATLES", came and holy jumping jiminy the women started burning their bras--loved it---and then.....) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) No respect for authority is a bad thing and it has played out more and more.  You keep throwing around this word "authority".  Does the officer have the authority to order people to stop smoking? (In their own car)? Edited July 23, 2015 by Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 No respect for authority is a bad thing and it has played out more and more.   that depends on if those in that position of authority deserve it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) You keep throwing around this word "authority". Does the officer have the authority to order people to stop smoking? Oh look, larry is putting words in people's mouth and splitting hairs. U know dam well what i meant. Or do you not know what authority means? To answer your dumb question, no, and, no, i don't think the officers actions were justified here. I was speaking in general. General lack of respect for positions of authority. (this kind of **** all started when they put fluoride in the drinking water and polluted our precious bodily fluids and whites and coloreds started getting hitched out in the open, and then those long-haired anti-establishment foreign-god/pseudo-god-worshiping atheists, "The BEATLES", came and holy jumping jiminy the women started burning their bras--loved it---and then.....)I wish today's women would burn their bras. WTF Ladies. Edited July 23, 2015 by Major Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015  <edit> I wish today's women would burn their bras. WTF Ladies.    i was just going to do that first gag just based on how that comment of yours "sounded in my head", not like it related to anything you were actually saying , and then it just got away from me-    i'm not high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Oh look, larry is putting words in people's mouth and splitting hairs. U know dam well what i meant. Or do you not know what authority means? To answer your dumb question, no, and, no, i don't think the officers actions were justified here. I was speaking in general. General lack of respect for positions of authority. Oh, I'm sorry. It seems that I assumed that the comments you made, twice, were actually related to the topic that people were discussing. I guess I should have figured out, somehow, that you actually were not in any way talking about the topic people were discussing, but were instead speaking about some other topic which you still haven't mentioned. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) Oh, I'm sorry. It seems that I assumed that the comments you made, twice, were actually related to the topic that people were discussing. I guess I should have figured out, somehow, that you actually were not in any way talking about the topic people were discussing, but were instead speaking about some other topic which you still haven't mentioned. It was a direct response to the post directly above mine. Specifically, the untrained part.But i know i shouldn't expect you to follow along while you're so wrapped up in trying to find your next fight. #INTERNETWARRIORLIFE Edited July 23, 2015 by Major Harris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 It was a direct response to the post directly above mine. Specifically, the untrained part. But i know i shouldn't expect you to follow along while you're so wrapped up in trying to find your next fight. #INTERNETWARRIORLIFE  Funny, I don't seem to be the one who's foaming at the mouth, here.  But then, maybe I'm assuming that you're actually talking to me, and not to somebody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Funny, I don't seem to be the one who's foaming at the mouth, here. But then, maybe I'm assuming that you're actually talking to me, and not to somebody else. I'm foaming at the mouth? That's rich. You're Goofy, larry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 You're Goofy, larry. I am rather tall. And do have the hat. Although I rarely wear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I am rather tall. And do have the hat. Although I rarely wear it. Won't fit over the Mickey mouse ears? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve09ru Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) What's hurting this country and is causing more issues is the reporting and the media such as the below:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/21/much-too-early-to-call-jail-cell-hanging-death-of-sandra-bland-suicide-da-says/  The videos completely edit out the part of the PO stating that he is giving a warning and she'd be on her way. We really need to focus on media rights forcing issues and leaving things out when the information is available to report. Reporters, and media outlets, need to be held accountable for false reports. Was the PO in the right in asking her to remove herself from her car? No, probably not. But it's ridiculous that we allow the media so much wiggle room without any consequences for false reporting.  Why not play the whole video? The PO was wrong either way in forcing the removal from the vehicle. There are many instances of false reportings where it ruins people's lives and reputations and no one is held responsible.  Of course it's not the main issue but one that needs to be addressed. Freedom of the Press and Freedom of Speech are 2 different things and the media is starting to combine these two things into one where they can report complete BS or half of a story and not be held accountable. Edited July 23, 2015 by steve09ru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited)  i'm not high  Are you sure? Edited July 23, 2015 by Gamebreaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 In your opinion, how does that information alter this case, let alone rise to the level of "false reporting"? I'll also ask you, how do you feel about the state police feeding fake video to the press? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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