Tatankgough Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Under the radar WR who could replace Moss in the slot at some point (We don't have another slot receiver) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuqM7rqLIYM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bie6yKBwDuw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_HiqQ2cQ68 I think that we already have the replacement for Moss in Nick Williams. In my opinion since we don't have a 1st round pick this year we should target RT, IMLB and Punter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I think that we already have the replacement for Moss in Nick Williams. In my opinion since we don't have a 1st round pick this year we should target RT, IMLB and Punter Campanaro won't be a 1st rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laron Burgundy Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Jackson's definitely a thumper, interested in if he does anything else or if he's just similar to Maualuga. One thing that's killing us is our ilb can't cover. I think we definitely need a well-rounded linebacker, though having an enforcer would definitely bring more attitude to our d, which we sorely lack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Trading a 2nd rounder for Byrd would be negligent. By and large ILB can't cover RBs and TEs regularly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 Jackson's definitely a thumper, interested in if he does anything else or if he's just similar to Maualuga. One thing that's killing us is our ilb can't cover. I think we definitely need a well-rounded linebacker, though having an enforcer would definitely bring more attitude to our d, which we sorely lack. I see a guy who's more of a 2 down defender when I watch him, which has been a solid two years now. He can be an enforcer, but he's not someone you want in coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Campanaro won't be a 1st rounder. Yep. (but still good) I need to learn how to be succinct like you Conn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Jackson ... I think we definitely need a well-rounded linebacker ... ... not someone you want in coverage. He does have flaws. I don't think you can compare him to Perryman, for example. But ... there's just something about the seek & destroy aspect that is hard to pass over. Some of the negatives I see - He's short. I doubt his listing of 6 feet, let alone the espn listing of 6'1". I wouldn't be surprised if he's 5'10". - He'll get swallowed up by o-linemen, turned & shielded far too often. He does attack but will take himself out of plays. - Coverage wise he looks just like London, similar movements. A zone guy. He's ok, not great. - He barks too much, too much trash. He'll get penalties for it. He'll also late hit sometimes, get personal fouls. - A bit slow. I mean in a straightline: good, decisive, fairly quick. But side to side, sudden cuts - he lacks. That's the negative I see and it's why I think he'll be a mid-rounder, or rather, why he IS a mid-rounder. But again, it's offset by the insane striking ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 -Steve (sorry on the way to the gym) I will respond in more detail later but in brief I think you are avoiding, passing over, ignoring some key facts about the quality of our offense vs our defense. Even right now our offense is far better then the defense. Our offense is just about middle of the pack according to Football Outsiders a trusted metric that accounts for things like garbage time. Meanwhile our defense is IIRC second to last by their metrics. I don't really care what those metrics say because the offense has been absolutely putrid this season. It didn't even show up in the first half of the first two games. It's lost us the first three games and damn near lost us the fourth--a win that our defense got us. The defense has performed according to reasonable expectations in the conjunction with offensive failure that was absolute. If FO's metrics say otherwise, then they are not an accurate representation of reality. The defense has been mostly bad, the offense has been worse. Did you praise Kyle/Mike for the offense scheme last year? Because if you did its unfair to pass now pass the blame onto the players for lack of execution/play when the players haven't changed in fact the players have been upgraded. This is a non sequitur. I blame the players for failing to execute because that's what I've observed this season. The OL, who I often criticized is playing much better. They've added Reed, Helu is healthy Davis is healthy, Garcon is healthy. I could go in more detail about where I think the gameplan/game design/playcalling mistakes could be. But, suffice it to say that our personnel hasn't changed from last year. The names have stayed the same, the players haven't. The players are playing like **** this season, including RGIII. And that's caused the offense to unravel. Any gains from having Garcon and Davis and Helu healthy are overtaken by the unit wide regression from the players. RGIII hasn't been even close to as good as he was last year. Trent has had some stinkers. Morris isn't making any impact whatsoever. And pretty much everyone else has been bad, making mistakes at the worst possible times. Mainly, I think you over estimate the difference in talent at this level. The talent level in the NFL is very close across the board. These guys are the best of the best and its the coaching that makes the differnce we see this repeated every year. Look at Payton/Ryan and the Saints. Look at McCoy and Rivers. Pep and Luck etc....I think you are undervaluing the importane of coaching in this league. And in doing so are letting this coaching staff off the hook on offense. Your logic here applies to the coaches equally. These guys are the best of the best too. And football, at any level, always comes down to the Jimmys and Joes, not the Xs and Os. I think there is value in leadership, motivating the players to perform as one mind, etc. And I don't think that aspect of coaching is about strategic & tactical superiority. I think you get lucky and capture the magic or you don't. But I think success is built upon success mostly, and initial success comes from the players getting it done on the field when they have to. We're not going to see eye to eye on the quality of our offensive players. I totally disagree that our talent is comparable to the receiving talent for the three teams I mentioned. Our receivers, by and large, blow plays. They do not make them. Where is our guy who makes this play? http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000257111/Jordy-Nelson-31-yard-toe-drag-catch Or these plays? http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000257395/Decker-2-yard-TD-reception http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/0ap2000000119357/WK17-Can-t-Miss-Play-Thomas-acrobatic-TD-catch http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000257501/Manning-throws-4th-TD-pass We don't have guys that make these plays. Our guys do not get it done. That's the world of difference between them and the Jordy Nelsons and James Joneses and the Bey Bey Thomases and Eric Deckers and Wes Welkers of the league. Nevermind the guys who are legitimately elite like Calvin Johnson and AJ Green. It may not seem like there is a ton of difference between Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers and say, Josh Freeman in sheer talent in the grand scheme of things. But of course the difference in their quality is all the difference in the world in actual impact. Bottom line, our guys are more likely to drop passes, fumble, and commit stupid ass penalties than make the great play. The guys on the OL execute better but they're still not good. Meanwhile on D we have a couple guys that do make plays. And that's what's so difficult and expensive to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I don't really care what those metrics say because the offense has been absolutely putrid this season. It didn't even show up in the first half of the first two games. It's lost us the first three games and damn near lost us the fourth--a win that our defense got us. The defense has performed according to reasonable expectations in the conjunction with offensive failure that was absolute. If FO's metrics say otherwise, then they are not an accurate representation of reality. The defense has been mostly bad, the offense has been worse. This is a non sequitur. I blame the players for failing to execute because that's what I've observed this season. The names have stayed the same, the players haven't. The players are playing like **** this season, including RGIII. And that's caused the offense to unravel. Any gains from having Garcon and Davis and Helu healthy are overtaken by the unit wide regression from the players. RGIII hasn't been even close to as good as he was last year. Trent has had some stinkers. Morris isn't making any impact whatsoever. And pretty much everyone else has been bad, making mistakes at the worst possible times. Your logic here applies to the coaches equally. These guys are the best of the best too. And football, at any level, always comes down to the Jimmys and Joes, not the Xs and Os. I think there is value in leadership, motivating the players to perform as one mind, etc. And I don't think that aspect of coaching is about strategic & tactical superiority. I think you get lucky and capture the magic or you don't. But I think success is built upon success mostly, and initial success comes from the players getting it done on the field when they have to. We're not going to see eye to eye on the quality of our offensive players. I totally disagree that our talent is comparable to the receiving talent for the three teams I mentioned. Our receivers, by and large, blow plays. They do not make them. Where is our guy who makes this play? http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000257111/Jordy-Nelson-31-yard-toe-drag-catch Or these plays? http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000257395/Decker-2-yard-TD-reception http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/0ap2000000119357/WK17-Can-t-Miss-Play-Thomas-acrobatic-TD-catch http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000257501/Manning-throws-4th-TD-pass We don't have guys that make these plays. Our guys do not get it done. That's the world of difference between them and the Jordy Nelsons and James Joneses and the Bey Bey Thomases and Eric Deckers and Wes Welkers of the league. Nevermind the guys who are legitimately elite like Calvin Johnson and AJ Green. It may not seem like there is a ton of difference between Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers and say, Josh Freeman in sheer talent in the grand scheme of things. But of course the difference in their quality is all the difference in the world in actual impact. Bottom line, our guys are more likely to drop passes, fumble, and commit stupid ass penalties than make the great play. The guys on the OL execute better but they're still not good. Meanwhile on D we have a couple guys that do make plays. And that's what's so difficult and expensive to find. I think one more guy opposite Garcon that can beat 1 on 1 coverage on a more consistant basis would work wonders and place everyone else just about where they need to be on the depth chart. I wouldn't completely remake the WR corps this off season but start giving it more serious looks in 15 and 16. I don't know that I'm not seriously thinking about taking a WR or a blue chip receiving tight end (if one pops up) in the first round in the 15 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I don't really care what those metrics say because the offense has been absolutely putrid this season. So you're gonna plunge your head into the sand then? You cannot avoid or dismiss stats out right because they don't support your opinion. That's what people do in other threads not this one. Futhermore you cannot dismiss a season's worth of production based on a slow start. That's not a logical way to make an assessment. But anyhow you should duck your head into the sand now: 2013 OFFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RATINGS Washington Redskins 2013 Offensive Efficiency Stats (Football Outsiders) Overall #11 Pass #19 Running #14 Defensive? Overall #25 Pass #26 Run #25 This is a non sequitur. I blame the players for failing to execute because that's what I've observed this season............The names have stayed the same, the players haven't. The players are playing like **** this season, including RGIII. And that's caused the offense to unravel. Any gains from having Garcon and Davis and Helu healthy are overtaken by the unit wide regression from the players. RGIII hasn't been even close to as good as he was last year. Trent has had some stinkers. Morris isn't making any impact whatsoever. And pretty much everyone else has been bad, making mistakes at the worst possible times. Not at all. It means you cannot give the coaching staff credit one year and then absolve them from blame when they have the same/more talent the following season. Yes, I agree the offense isn't playing anywhere near their potential. And yes it does start with Griffin, and yes a big part of the struggles on offense are because Griffin hasn't found his groove in the passing game yet. But, I'm confident he will get there. But you know what would help him? If the script of our first 15 plays was effective. If the offense got him going with some confidence builders. It starts with playcalling. Because as goes Griffin so goes the offense. Yes, Griffin is missing open reads and missing open throws. But, the playcalling isn't doing him any favors: We usually operate (ineffectively) from a tight formation with all the receivers lined up inside the numbers The pass game has many route combinations that occur within the numbers Offset I Pistol formation with inside zone or dive runs to Morris was ineffective and invited an 8 man front from the defense Why didn't he move the pocket more in the first few games? Why didn't he run the ball more in the first few games? Why call no read plays like a WR screen on 3rd down? (Prior to injury) Why not use Reed and Fred on the field together? Why not throw more run after the catch routes routes like the slant? As opposed to stationary or stop routes like hitches and comebacks? Why not read-option on 3rd and short? etc..etc..etc... Your logic here applies to the coaches equally. These guys are the best of the best too. And football, at any level, always comes down to the Jimmys and Joes, not the Xs and Os. Football at the NFL level is far more about the X's and O's then any other level because the difference between the Jimmies and Joes isn't as large as on the lower rungs. There are only a handful of true difference making players in the League. The rest are guys that need to the put in the right situations to succeed. Thats why coaching makes all the difference. Its why a team that went 2-14 one season can start off 5-0 the next season with only a coaching change. In the NFL there are only a handful of coaches that 'get it'. Net-net there are more good players in the NFL then there are good coaches. We're not going to see eye to eye on the quality of our offensive players. I totally disagree that our talent is comparable to the receiving talent for the three teams I mentioned.....~Jordy Nelson + other examples I've said this many times. You don't build someone elses team. You build your team. And if you read my response I agreed with you about on 1 of the teams. But, cherry picking 3 teams doesn't make a point. I could name 3 teams that are doing more with less... Who do the Chargers have? How about the Eagles or Baltimore? Bottom line, our guys are more likely to drop passes, fumble, and commit stupid ass penalties than make the great play. The guys on the OL execute better but they're still not good. Meanwhile on D we have a couple guys that do make plays. And that's what's so difficult and expensive to find. None of our receivers are in the top 10 for dropped passes. Fumbles I don't know but I doubt it. Penalties are a product of discipline i.e. coaching. Our defense was bad last season while our offense was top 5. Our defense is still terrible this year while our offense is middle of the pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Where are innovatives plays that get people open through scheme? http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/greg-cosell-film-study-breaking-down-trend-double-225643044--nfl.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 We don't have guys that make these plays. It's just amazing to look around the league and see the disparity of talent between the Skins and teams like the Colts, Broncos, Packers, 49ers, seahawks and many more - maybe even just about everyone else. That even applies to our division. When you look at the Eagles, they have more quantity of impact, "known names," across the board. The cows have more quantity of talented players by way of depth. That point is magnified when you realize the turnaround the Colts, Broncos and others have done in the same timeframe that the Skins have tried the turnaround. Yesterday I watched the eagles v giants and at some point in the game I asked out loud, "How did the eagles get Lane Johnson and Zach Ertz?" - And that realization just stood out to me, poignant, since that team managed to retain their guys: McCoy and Jackson. Give me McCoy in our offense. You know Steve? - Like, I'm talking about the named guys that we knew, those that were well understood commodities in the draft scouting process, yet over the last handful of years, shanahan has seemingly avoided getting these impact, "known names." I do think that seemed to change a little bit last year, last draft, in a way with more chance players, less safe selections. I watched dallas yesterday - you realize they are overflowing at TE? - They have Witten but in back to back years added Hanna, from OU, someone who I touched on and wanted drafted. If you remember he was amazingly athletic during his pro-day and combine - a hybrid TE. Then they added Escobar ... again another TE who I loved during the process. And he too is making an impact already. He's more traditional in a sense, but such a natural catcher, the technique is so clean, he's destined for good things. They are literally overflowing at the position. I'm ... obviously jealous. I mean I understand that you can't draft everyone. But, just to see teams across the league get such depth and load certain positions, while at the same time, the skins in the process can't actually do it the same way, themselves ... it's beyond frustrating. You know Steve? - It's like we've got the Dollar General version of playmakers while other teams are getting designer Gucci, Dolce, Purple label or Saks Fifth Avenue ... or whatever the hell, haha. I don't follow fashion, ha. It makes me think of something Steve. If you remember, there was some kind-of "show" that was either on Wavy 10, or some such channel, I think it aired on sunday nights, but it was called "Local Folks Dancin'" or "Grown Folks Dancin'." And I mean it was just a step up from cable access quality. From memory, it was like what some amatuer's version of a church social meets soultrain would look like. As to the point of the show, I believe, it was to get people connected - like: "Hey, come on down to Reggie's on Battery blvd and dance with Shaniqua" ... Anyway. So I associate our talent acquisition comparable to "grown folks dancin'" rather than the Colts' version of acquisition, which is more like the exclusive high-end escort services that 4-star Generals end up using. Ha, you get me? I was just amazed watching the Colts yesterday, as well as last year, at times. Again, I, for whatever reasons, felt really compelled about TY Hilton during the draft process. I just knew he had something special to offer, that which was a major commodity in the NFL, despite coming from a smaller program. And from DAY 1, he has produced in the NFL. He was available to us, to shanahan, and yet passed over. And that has happened plenty of times in the first couple of drafts where shanahan looked for the generic version rather than the marquee label. I think of last year when we began to understand what Robert Alford had to offer the NFL. We need to be aggressive in getting these guys. We need to see the player, if the skills speak to the gut, we need to navigate ourselves into a position to get these guys and just load up. And what really hits home is just the simple fact that the Colts were selecting #1 overall, got Luck, in the same draft we got RG3, and yet, Grigson has been (to me) amazing in his talent acquisition while we have muddled. It's been blitzkrieg by Grigson in comparison to shanahan's "old man slowly entering a bath" type speed. And you see it in situations like where Grigson loaded up on two marquee TEs in one draft (Fleener & Allen). Grigson's philosophy was clear from Day 1 - know the takent of the draft and manuever, however you have to, in order to load up, double down, "ride the river" ... whatever, to get as much talent as quickly as possible for the superstar QB. Just get the talent fast and load up a positional group, get depth but good depth. Have a backup who otherwise could be a starter somewhere else. Just get "deep" in the process. And it's not just that shanahan / skins are lacking in the quantity of impact/playmaking players, it's that teams like Denver have created such depth and multiple impact athletes at one position and loaded up on Welker to go with Decker, in the same timeframe that we've been trying as well but not nearly as successful. I mean Ronnie Hillman is the backup to Moreno in DEN ... I wanted him in the draft straight-up. He probably could have been starting for us this whole time. That's what is mind boggling to me. That these teams didn't settle with what they had ... they had a Ferrari 458 but decided to go and get a lamborghini aventador. It's just the abundance of talent these teams have accumulated in the same short timeframe that we've been scratching around. I respect both clubs for being aggressive on the draft and working free agency. I just hope this upcoming offseason we use the money, cap space, we get in good way to plug some leaky holes. Luck went to Indy in 2012, as RG3 came to us in 2012, as Manning went to Denver in 2012. The rest of the organization around those QBs, the surrounding talent, is startlingly different in comparisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 No argument here that his FO is lacking when it comes to the personnel department. I've always said that Mike Shanahan's saving grace as a GM (defacto) is his ability as a coach. But, to be clear Steve and myseld we're talking specifically about receiving talent. The 49ers and Hawks don't have anymore receiving talent then we do nor do the Pats, Ravens, Chargers etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I think that we already have the replacement for Moss in Nick Williams. In my opinion since we don't have a 1st round pick this year we should target RT, IMLB and Punter That's going out on a bit of a limb don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 No argument here that his FO is lacking when it comes to the personnel department. I've always said that Mike Shanahan's saving grace as a GM (defacto) is his ability as a coach. But, to be clear Steve and myseld we're talking specifically about receiving talent. The 49ers and Hawks don't have anymore receiving talent then we do nor do the Pats, Ravens, Chargers etc.... I'd agree that our receivers are not worse than the teams you listed, but they aren't top tier talent that would make Griffin's job much easier. Garçon is a stud. Everyone is either meh or not in our longterm plans. Hank is developing into solid but not spectacular. Good guy to keep around, not a game changer though. Morgan is not worth nearly what is paycheck is, so I highly doubt he's back next year. Moss is still solid but he's a FA and I'm not sure we bring him back next year. Robinson is not developing into the WR they hoped he would. I think he sticks around for a few more years but he's not going to challenge for a starting job. Not anywhere, not ever. But the pickle with Morgan and maybe Moss not being back next year is that we have to find replacement and preferably upgrades. Personally I hope we add two new WRs in the offseason, one bigger possession guy and one burner (that can hopefully develop into what we hoped Robinson would). The draft class appears to be deep at WR assuming several of the top underclassmen come out this year. I'd be fine with 2 of our top 3 picks being WRs if the guys that want are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Oh i know theyre not top tier. Never said they were that's a different discussion. Obviously having more talent makes a QBs job easier. But right now the offense isn't playing up to its already proven potential (top 5 yards & scoring). I dont think theyve suddenly become less talented then they were last year when if anything theyve upgraded in talent. And net-net the offense is much closer to where we want/need them to be then the defense. The two points above we're the topics of me and Steve's discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Honestly we'd be lucky to get Brandon Coleman in the 2nd round. The combo of size & speed, stride - you got to target attributes like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 One more quick note on playcalling before I move on. Anyone watch the Raiders vs Chargers? The Raiders were well coached on offense. The playing calling was sharp it put players in spots to make plays and they player executed at a high level and you can't tell me they have more talent then we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Brandon Coleman is one guy I was looking at, along with Josh Huff a little further down in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsTillIDie Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 It's just amazing to look around the league and see the disparity of talent between the Skins and teams like the Colts, Broncos, Packers, 49ers, seahawks and many more - maybe even just about everyone else. That even applies to our division. When you look at the Eagles, they have more quantity of impact, "known names," across the board. The cows have more quantity of talented players by way of depth. That point is magnified when you realize the turnaround the Colts, Broncos and others have done in the same timeframe that the Skins have tried the turnaround. Yesterday I watched the eagles v giants and at some point in the game I asked out loud, "How did the eagles get Lane Johnson and Zach Ertz?" - And that realization just stood out to me, poignant, since that team managed to retain their guys: McCoy and Jackson. Give me McCoy in our offense. You know Steve? - Like, I'm talking about the named guys that we knew, those that were well understood commodities in the draft scouting process, yet over the last handful of years, shanahan has seemingly avoided getting these impact, "known names." I do think that seemed to change a little bit last year, last draft, in a way with more chance players, less safe selections. I watched dallas yesterday - you realize they are overflowing at TE? - They have Witten but in back to back years added Hanna, from OU, someone who I touched on and wanted drafted. If you remember he was amazingly athletic during his pro-day and combine - a hybrid TE. Then they added Escobar ... again another TE who I loved during the process. And he too is making an impact already. He's more traditional in a sense, but such a natural catcher, the technique is so clean, he's destined for good things. They are literally overflowing at the position. ..... And it's not just that shanahan / skins are lacking in the quantity of impact/playmaking players, it's that teams like Denver have created such depth and multiple impact athletes at one position and loaded up on Welker to go with Decker, in the same timeframe that we've been trying as well but not nearly as successful. I mean Ronnie Hillman is the backup to Moreno in DEN ... I wanted him in the draft straight-up. He probably could have been starting for us this whole time. That's what is mind boggling to me. That these teams didn't settle with what they had ... they had a Ferrari 458 but decided to go and get a lamborghini aventador. It's just the abundance of talent these teams have accumulated in the same short timeframe that we've been scratching around. I respect both clubs for being aggressive on the draft and working free agency. I just hope this upcoming offseason we use the money, cap space, we get in good way to plug some leaky holes. Luck went to Indy in 2012, as RG3 came to us in 2012, as Manning went to Denver in 2012. The rest of the organization around those QBs, the surrounding talent, is startlingly different in comparisons. What we're seeing are the limitations from losing premium picks in the RGIII trade combined with the enormous(ly unjust) cap penalty. The $36 million taken away from us could have afforded several players of the Garcon/Cofield/Bowen level -- the type of "known name" talent, perhaps undervalued elsewhere, with whom Shanahan has proven adept at supplementing our team. A Wes Welker or Danny Amendola; a Sean Smith or Aqib Talib or Dominique Rogers-Cromartie or Keenan Lewis. Impossible to say one way or another, but maybe they're the difference in close games. Maybe we beat Detroit with a few talented free agent starters. You also say you're jealous with Lane Johnson and Zach Ertz ("How'd they get these guys?") -- I'd say we found comparable quality starters in the draft in David Amerson and Jordan Reed. (in the 2nd and 3rd, v.s. high 1st and high 2nd, mind you). Both Amerson and Reed have produced far earlier than expected, and with elite athleticism, project to potential 1A type players at their positions. I think Shanahan deserves credit for yearly making relatively controversial picks and unearthing (and developing) quality talent. Give us our $36 million back (i.e. don't take away 4-6 veteran starters), trim the bottom 4-6 worst players from the team, and we suddenly have a roster that looks a lot more like one of the talent-rich teams competing for a Superbowl this year. Also, for the record, for as spectacular as LeSean McCoy is, he had 20 carries for 46 yards yesterday. I don't think we've ever seen Alfred Morris run that poorly yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Well aware of the pics lost, cap penalty and how that affects us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I made a note about this guy during week 1 and haven't had much of a chance to look at him more but I wanted to drop two vids about this player. Corey Crawford #93 Clemson A true Junior: 2012: starting defensive end opposite senior defensive end Malliciah Goodman in 2012 ... has 76 tackles, eight tackles for loss, one sack, nine quarterback pressures, three pass breakups, and two recovered fumbles, including a 16-yard fumble return for a touchdown, in 827 snaps over 27 games (13 starts) in his career ... preseason third-team All-ACC by Phil Steele He's a defensive end, plays the 7-Tech in their defense. He's a nice player worth watching. 2013 ^ In the vid above he's in-line at the 7, bottom of the screen, he drops in coverage at the snap and sinks well enough to undercut the drag and intercept Murray. 2012 ^ The clip above just shows how he squeezed the edge then redirects to chase the QB, gets pressure, then scoops up the fumble for a TD. Just two quick plays that highlight his skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Jared Abbrederis - Profile Honors and Awards2013 Preseason: Biletnikoff watch list, Paul Hornung watch list, 4th-team All-America (Phil Steele), first-team All-Big Ten (Athlon, Phil Steele, Sporting News)2012: Consensus first-team All-Big Ten2011: Named honorable mention All-American punt returner by SI.com ... consensus honorable mention All-Big Ten2010: Named to Rivals.com's Freshman All-Big Ten team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Got to say, I'm basically sold on Abbredaris, "All In." I want him and it's just a matter, now, of figuring out when/where he goes in the draft and how to navigate there to get him. 2013 - Jared Abbrederis vs Ohio State 2011 - 2012 Jared Abbrederis vs Oregon (2012 Rose Bowl) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laron Burgundy Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Well aware of the pics lost, cap penalty and how that affects us. But then why the rant? Is Morris-Helu really worse than Moreno-Hillman? And 18 mil a year shouldn't be underestimated. For that much we could have signed Welker, Talib, Eric Winston, AND Byrd (through trade). How does our team look with that talent added to it? I'd say we're at least 3-1 if we had that and we'd be talking about what great depth we have. Then it's right that the nfl has a lot of parity. Was our team really 2 first rounders and a 2nd rounder better than the Colts in 2011? Hell no, they had 3 future HoFers on their roster before that draft, and could have had another one had they wanted to stick with manning, as he's shown that he can still play. Combine that with the penalty and it's just unfair to expect our team to be as depthy as Denver or Indy. In all honesty I can't fault our front office for basically missing 6 starting quality players through the 3 picks and 3 FA they could have signed. We feasibly could have had upgrades to almost 1/3rd of our starters. Heck, take away any teams' 6 WORST starters and I guarantee you they would have glaring flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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