Dont Taze Me Bro Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 It's also because Kobe and Jordan were similar in a lot of ways. Same position obviously but they had virtually the same height, wingspan, and standing reach. They had a similar build, both on the thin side but strong. When Kobe was in his prime he attacked the rim like a madman, just like Jordan though he didn't float in the air like MJ could. Both improved their shooting and developed beautiful fade away shots when they got older. They each have that sociopathic need to win and can rub teammates and opponents the wrong way. They weren't exactly the same player but they are a much more natural comparison than say Lebron and Jordan. Kobe could very fairly be called a poor mans Jordan, and that's not an insult to Kobe. This is the point I was trying to make earlier. Thank you for explaining it better than myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 LeBron, Steph Curry, Dwight Howard? Curry defense is garbage and he takes a lot of bad shots early in the shot clock, but he's as lethal a shooter off the dribble as has ever existed in the NBA. He's also ver adept at playing off the ball as a spot up shooter. I think he's a big step down from KD overall but he's much more fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I think he's a big step down from KD overall but he's much more fun to watch. I don't know about that. When KD's going, he's a thrill to watch. He's one of those players that is capable of having one of those magical scoring nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Curry defense is garbage and he takes a lot of bad shots early in the shot clock, but he's as lethal a shooter off the dribble as has ever existed in the NBA. He's also ver adept at playing off the ball as a spot up shooter. I think he's a big step down from KD overall but he's much more fun to watch. Yeah he's a big step down from KD but I didn't want to double up on LeBron and KD at the same position. I think I can hide Curry defensively on a team with LeBron and Dwight. Basically give LeBron a Ray Allen caliber shooter at PG, one that can play off the ball, and one who can also pass and run PnRs. Assume equal talent at the other positions, which team is better? LeBron/Curry/Dwight vs Durant/Griffin/Davis BTW, my under 24 big three would either be Wall/Beal/Davis or Wall/Davis/Drummond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I don't know about that. When KD's going, he's a thrill to watch. He's one of those players that is capable of having one of those magical scoring nights. Yes but KD is a fundamental wing scorer in a over sized wiry frame. Curry does things that coaches don't teach because they shouldn't be possible. His jump shot release is earlier and at a higher angle than most, easily the quickest release in the nba and he does it off the dribble. He has a billion one handed scoops/floater hybrid releases around the rim that look like play ground moves. Plus he's got some if the best handles in the nba. Curry may not be close to the best player in the NBA but he's easily top three in entertainment value, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I like Iverson. Always had a soft spot for him because he's from Hampton Roads. But yeah he's overrated in the sense that Shaq probably should have gotten that MVP and Iverson was a pretty flawed player. He was not one of these holistically great players like Duncan/Dirk/LeBron/Garnett/Shaq/CP3/Durant & yes Kobe. But I'd say Iverson had a bigger impact on the game than anyone else from that generation. Iverson was like Dr. J and Jordan in how he changed the look of the game. He was the best slasher and ball handler ever IMO. He and Jordan were the biggest influences on the current generation of ball handlers. If for nothing else, he's an important part of basketball history because of that. There will probably never be another Jordan. But there will definitely never be another Iverson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I like Iverson. Always had a soft spot for him because he's from Hampton Roads. But yeah he's overrated in the sense that Shaq probably should have gotten that MVP and Iverson was a pretty flawed player. He was not one of these holistically great players like Duncan/Dirk/LeBron/Garnett/Shaq/CP3/Durant & yes Kobe. I'm taking AI over CP3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I'm taking AI over CP3. I wouldn't fault you for it. Iverson is a lot tougher than CP3. Much more athletic. More creative scorer. CP3 is such an obnoxious flopper he's tough to root for. But I'd take CP3 over Iverson. CP3 is very well rounded and Iverson wasn't. Truly great passer. Good scorer and shooter. Good defender, especially for a 6'0 guard. And before the menicus injury, he was spectacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I wouldn't fault you for it. Iverson is a lot tougher than CP3. Much more athletic. More creative scorer. CP3 is such an obnoxious flopper he's tough to root for. But I'd take CP3 over Iverson. CP3 is very well rounded and Iverson wasn't. Truly great passer. Good scorer and shooter. Good defender, especially for a 6'0 guard. And before the menicus injury, he was spectacular. CP3 all day, plus his brother Cliff Paul has the hook up at State Farm........WHAT NOW!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Screen Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 CP3 all day, plus his brother Cliff Paul has the hook up at State Farm........WHAT NOW!?!?!Those commercials are surprisingly good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 It's also because Kobe and Jordan were similar in a lot of ways. Same position obviously but they had virtually the same height, wingspan, and standing reach. They had a similar build, both on the thin side but strong. When Kobe was in his prime he attacked the rim like a madman, just like Jordan though he didn't float in the air like MJ could. Both improved their shooting and developed beautiful fade away shots when they got older. They each have that sociopathic need to win and can rub teammates and opponents the wrong way. They weren't exactly the same player but they are a much more natural comparison than say Lebron and Jordan. Kobe could very fairly be called a poor mans Jordan, and that's not an insult to Kobe. Great post. Thats why I believe it is stupid when people compare LeBron and Jordan. They are two completely different players. Thats not even bringing up the fact that LeBron's career is not even over, and wont be for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWolf990 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Kid already went through hell being blind in one eye, then literally days before the draft, a bomb drop like that. Horrible. Agreed though, at least it was discovered prior to any harm being done.i imagine him being blind had to do with the condition, but it was not diagnosed at the time. Really sad, and am glad Baylor will take care of him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Any Premier League fans in here? I don't follow the league, but it's my understanding that there is not much parity in the Premier League. Very similar to the NBA in that way. How many teams are there in the league that you know, going into a season, have no chance at winning the league. What's it like to be a fan of one of the mid to lower level teams that has little chance of winning the league? What's a good season for them? Also, do fans of the mid to lower level Premier League teams have any hope of their team ever cracking the top echelon and winning the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWolf990 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Usually just 4 or 5 teams and its not just hte premier league, but soccer in general in Europe. The clubs with the most money usually wins as they can buy the best players. Unlike American sports, there are still local rivalries that matter and you dont want to be relegated which is also fun. If a team qualifies for European play, its a great season. Also there are other chances at silverware. In England there are two cups which are a random playoff style of competition that consists of knockout games and no seeding. Other leagues they have just one cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 Check this out: Anthony's financial decision-making is also affected by income tax rates, which vary widely by state and, as New York City residents know, municipality. SI.com and tax expert Robert Raiola have crunched the numbers for Anthony (whose projected contract amounts are provided by Spotrac.com). We break down how much he would likely earn, after taxes and the standard 4 percent agent commission, if he signed max deals with the Knicks, Bulls, Heat and Rockets.Keep in mind, however, that Chicago and Houston would have to make multiple moves to sign Anthony to anything approaching a max contract, and Miami would face an even more difficult challenge. If those teams fail to create the space, Anthony would have to sign for even less than what is indicated below: Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Usually just 4 or 5 teams and its not just hte premier league, but soccer in general in Europe. The clubs with the most money usually wins as they can buy the best players. Unlike American sports, there are still local rivalries that matter and you dont want to be relegated which is also fun. If a team qualifies for European play, its a great season. Also there are other chances at silverware. In England there are two cups which are a random playoff style of competition that consists of knockout games and no seeding. Other leagues they have just one cup. Thanks for answering. Is there a realistic way for a club that doesn't have much money to break into the top tier of the league? And do you think the big European leagues really have much interest in parity? Also, how much would you say a very average player in a top European league makes? Is it a situation where most of the money the players make is going to the big stars with the regular guys making a lot less--like in MLB? Or is it a little more even like it is in the NBA/NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Phil Jackson is the only reason I can think of. That and he would get the most money from NY. But for purely basketball reasons, I can't see why he would stay. You have a rookie coach, a rookie team Pres/GM, no draft picks this year and no salary cap space. If he stayed there, the 2014-2015 season would likely be a wasted year for Melo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Check this out: Link How is he getting those tax numbers though? Wouldn't he have to sit down and go game by game on the schedule and calculate the rate for each state the game is played in? You'd have 41 away games that might have different rates. The way I understand it, when you sign the contract, the salary is divided up game by game and the bonuses are the only things that come in lump sums when they're triggered. So that means you can play for New York but when you go play Miami in Miami, the state income tax rate on that game check is Florida's. That ends up making the tax liability for any contract monstrously complicated to figure out IMO. That's why this author needs to show his methodology IMO. It could mean that Melo would walk away from even more money to leave New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 That and he would get the most money from NY. But for purely basketball reasons, I can't see why he would stay. You have a rookie coach, a rookie team Pres/GM, no draft picks this year and no salary cap space. If he stayed there, the 2014-2015 season would likely be a wasted year for Melo. Yeah, if he stays, it won't be about basketball reasons. The Knicks really don't have much to offer other than Phil. And who even knows if he'll be a great GM? I do kind of like Fisher as the coach. Though New York will be a tough atmosphere for him. Bad team. Beaten down fan base that's conditioned to constant failure and change. Voracious media. Rising competitor in Brooklyn. I think that Carmelo's wife could have an important say in where he ends up. Can you really see her embracing Houston or Dallas? And the Knicks apparently do a lot of nepotism and off the court perks for their players. I heard they've bent over backwards for Melo, and that might not be something he wants to leave. I don't usually like it when players dump their teams when things start going bad, feels too mercenary. But I might actually have more respect for Melo if he walks away from a bunch of cash and checks his ego just to play for someone like Dallas or Chicago. It'd mean he really is doing it for basketball reasons, and that he'll sacrifice to try and win. Here's a different question: where SHOULD Melo go? Does that team(s) have the ability to sign him? Are there any teams that can become a true contender by just adding him? I haven't thought enough about it, but my gut says that Dallas and Chicago could become full blown contenders just from adding him and they are his best options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 How is he getting those tax numbers though? Wouldn't he have to sit down and go game by game on the schedule and calculate the rate for each state the game is played in? You'd have 41 away games that might have different rates. The way I understand it, when you sign the contract, the salary is divided up game by game and the bonuses are the only things that come in lump sums when they're triggered. So that means you can play for New York but when you go play Miami in Miami, the state income tax rate on that game check is Florida's. That ends up making the tax liability for any contract monstrously complicated to figure out IMO. That's why this author needs to show his methodology IMO. It could mean that Melo would walk away from even more money to leave New York. You raise some good questions/points. I honestly have no clue, but the chart was interesting. Obviously the extra year is where Melo comes ahead by staying in NY, but in looking at the breakdown, it's certainly eye-opening as far as what he could potentially earn elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Here's a different question: where SHOULD Melo go? Does that team(s) have the ability to sign him? Are there any teams that can become a true contender by just adding him? That's a great question. I think Dallas and Chicago make sense. I could see Cuban doing everything he can to get Melo to go to the Mavs. I don't think the Heat make much sense. I can't even imagine the problems they would have with James, Wade, Melo and Bosh all wanting the ball. Melo would really have to leave his ego at the door to play with Miami. The Lakers? Not really sure that makes much sense for Melo either. Though he could easily take over once Kobe leaves, so maybe that does intrigue him. Although, I'm not sure the Lakers have the cap space to sign him? Houston could work too, but their defense would be awful with Harden and Melo. Personally, I think he needs to stay in the East. There's too many good teams out West. If he wants a shot at the Finals every year, the East is the ticket. All he really has to go against are a disfunctional Pacers team and an aging Heat team. The Wiz, Raptors and Hornets aren't there yet and the Nets window is not open for much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Marc Stein ✔ @ESPNSteinLine Follow Links to OKC are inevitable when subject of Shumpert comes up after OKC showed interest in defensive specialist at trade deadline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 hahahaha...Dirk better than Kobe. That is simply absurd. Dirk did have some help, he was not alone in his championship. Some of you need to watch games and not numbers. It's so crazy to me. Dan Marino with zero rings is one of the top 5 QBs to ever play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) hahahaha...Dirk better than Kobe. That is simply absurd. Dirk did have some help, he was not alone in his championship. Some of you need to watch games and not numbers. It's so crazy to me. Dan Marino with zero rings is one of the top 5 QBs to ever play the game. Dirk had help, no player wins alone, but no second star or legendary coach which is not a common formula for success. That's not to say he's the greatest player ever but in his championship run he was a spectacular offensive player. There are situations where he would be a better fit on a team than Kobe but overall I'd say Kobe was the better player. Marc Stein ✔ @ESPNSteinLine Follow Links to OKC are inevitable when subject of Shumpert comes up after OKC showed interest in defensive specialist at trade deadline So another guy that they don't need to pass the ball too on offense. What could go wrong? Edited June 23, 2014 by Destino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) hahahaha...Dirk better than Kobe. That is simply absurd. Dirk did have some help, he was not alone in his championship. Some of you need to watch games and not numbers. It's so crazy to me. Dan Marino with zero rings is one of the top 5 QBs to ever play the game. It's not the individual numbers, it's that Kobe is the only player in the top 10 discussion where numbers don't definitively show he was the best player in a single season. Everyone else, the advanced stats back up the hype. Regardless, if I'm drafting a player, I'm taking Kobe. Edited June 23, 2014 by Sticksboi05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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