Dr. Do Itch Big Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 No he isn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, Dr. Do Itch Big said: No he isn’t. Who is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said: This is a different convo but Kevin Durant is the best player in the NBA right now. Cmon now. I'm a Dubs fan, but it's still Lebron. And it's not really close. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Do Itch Big Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 3 hours ago, CrypticVillain said: Who is? LeBron James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RonArtest15 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 10 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Melo is washed up, but I don't think you can win with RUssell Westbrook being the #1 guy. His basketball IQ is too low. 41% usage last year....that's INSANE. Their whole system/philosophy needs an overhaul. Donovan will be the fall guy, but Russ is the zebra that HAS to change his stripes. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Who me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 Folks were mesmerized by the triple-double statline...but it was the way he went about getting his numbers that was dubious. If there was an NBA "unselfish" award, it should probably go to the 11 other players on that roster last year who had to share the floor with him. Sacrificing just about EVERYTHING in their game for the betterment of one player. Don't get me wrong, Russ is one of the best players in the league, but there are 3-4 other guys in the league right now who have upped their games after leaving OKC. So, the narrative that Russ needs more "help" is just bunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 6 hours ago, Mr. Sinister said: Frankly, it allowed him to get out on the fast break more effectively with the ball in his hands quicker, (which is also obvious) which makes sense, unless you want to argue that someone else should've gotten the ball instead. Plus, in the games I watched, he routinely made contested rebounds, like Des said. I see the claim that the PG taking the rebound means you get into the break faster but it just doesn't ring true to me. You can start the break faster by having the PG leak out and taking the outlet closer to midcourt. An outlet pass is faster than any PG catching a board, turning and gearing up from around the basket, especially if he can catch it on the move. That's how Wall and Gortat start breaks and it is amazingly fast--to the point where defenders bail early to get back on D and Wall still routinely beats them to the rim. Westbrook is like Wall in that he is a fastbreak finisher--they don't need to wait on lane fillers. They can score at the basket against numbers themselves and find trailers if they get cut off. Westbrook would both play better defense and get better transition scoring opportunities if he'd go hard on the shooters and ball handlers then leak out to the hashes instead of loitering around the basket for rebounds. Team basketball goes smoother when people perform their natural roles and don't freelance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Predicto said: Cmon now. I'm a Dubs fan, but it's still Lebron. And it's not really close. It is close. In any given year, LeBron and KD and Curry might be the best guy in the league. And LeBron is not going to be able to keep this up the whole year whereas I wouldn't bet against Durant getting better and playing at a consistently higher level as the season goes on. But so far LeBron is running away with the MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 This Cleveland team is really well constructed to support LeBron. And they're going to get even better once IT comes back. People might not realize this, but IT is actually a fabulous off-ball player. A better off-ball player than Kyrie Irving. He's going to be a killer second and third option with all of the gravity that LeBron and Love generate. All their rotation guys except Wade can shoot. Their offense is dominant and it has been so without their second or third best player so far. They won't beat Golden State this year, but they're going to flatten the East again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Predicto said: Cmon now. I'm a Dubs fan, but it's still Lebron. And it's not really close. Durant is a much better defender than Lebron and a better offensive player. If he was allowed to play Lebron ball, he'd be averaging more points too. Durant is better than Lebron. Do not be afraid to say that. It's okay for people to say that since we saw it in the finals last season. You are missing out an insane bball game if you not watching this Pelicans/Rockets game. It should end up in the 130s at least, for both teams. Rondo even out here hitting 3 pointers. I think the Pelicans may break the NBA record for 3s tonight at this pace. (ironically, the Rockets set prior the record against the Pelicans on December 16, 2016, Cleveland owns the record now) 19 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: But so far LeBron is running away with the MVP. He isnt. Harden is a candidate. Giannis is a candidate. Durant may make a run if Curry is out for a while. And lowkey Boogie is a strong candidate. Edited December 12, 2017 by BenningRoadSkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Do Itch Big Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Boogie isn't a candidate. Durant isn't a better offensive player than LeBron. Better shooter but not a better scorer or playmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) I'm not saying that Kyrie is an MVP candidate, but the Cs are losing by 30 at the Bulls without him. Edited December 12, 2017 by TryTheBeal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 33 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: I see the claim that the PG taking the rebound means you get into the break faster but it just doesn't ring true to me. You can start the break faster by having the PG leak out and taking the outlet closer to midcourt. An outlet pass is faster than any PG catching a board, turning and gearing up from around the basket, especially if he can catch it on the move. That's how Wall and Gortat start breaks and it is amazingly fast--to the point where defenders bail early to get back on D and Wall still routinely beats them to the rim. Westbrook is like Wall in that he is a fastbreak finisher--they don't need to wait on lane fillers. They can score at the basket against numbers themselves and find trailers if they get cut off. Westbrook would both play better defense and get better transition scoring opportunities if he'd go hard on the shooters and ball handlers then leak out to the hashes instead of loitering around the basket for rebounds. Team basketball goes smoother when people perform their natural roles and don't freelance. Sure. For most teams that's how it would probably work. That's not how they rolled, though, and they were still a lethal fast break team, among the top 3-5. Could it have been more effective? Maybe, possibly, but we'll never know. They seem to always suffer from so so coaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 17 minutes ago, Dr. Do Itch Big said: Better shooter but not a better scorer or playmaker. Stop it Durant is a better scorer than Lebron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Durant is the best scorer of his generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 THe Thunder are awful. I dont think Billy Donovan is going to make it to Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Never bought into the Melo hype. Dude is overrated and has been washed up for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Can we talk about the Balls for a minute? I'm trying to wrap my head around the emotional roller coaster caused by being pulled away from a free education at beautiful UCLA and being sent to Lithuania. The high school kid went from being the big man on campus and choosing a prom date to also finding himself headed to Lithuania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 12 minutes ago, Destino said: Can we talk about the Balls for a minute? I'm trying to wrap my head around the emotional roller coaster caused by being pulled away from a free education at beautiful UCLA and being sent to Lithuania. The high school kid went from being the big man on campus and choosing a prom date to also finding himself headed to Lithuania. This is all looking really bad. I support getting paid to play basketball at any age, but those two are not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr. Do Itch Big Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Stop it Durant is a better scorer than Lebron. LeBron's ability to finish at the rim makes him a better scorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 23 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: This is all looking really bad. I support getting paid to play basketball at any age, but those two are not good enough. I'm with you on the paid thing, never been a fan of so called "amateur" sports, but man I'd rather ball at ucla for free than in a small town no English speaking Lithuania. The team they signed with doesnt have a GM and doesn't hold regular practices because they lack the funds to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Ya can't expect the Thunder to compete with the Hornets juggernaut when Russ only gets 4 rebounds and 24 shot attempts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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