ESPN TV: RG3 to have total ACL and LCL repair Wed morning (vid) (MET)

[P()rter]

Something tells me we will get to see what KC can do for at least a month or so next year.

I really really hope you are right.

[Rocky52Mc]

I see there is a mix of mainly optimism with just a little pessimism in this thread. If your smart you assume and plan for the worst. I'd recommend we all assume that he will miss the entire 2013 season. I certainly hope the Redskins approach it that way.

Your flawed logic doesn't take into account how everyone is built to think differently. By 48, I would think you would be slightly closer to that form of understanding. What you describe is one form of thinking, and it gets you by because you can't dare let life surprise you with something you didn't expect. When someone you know goes into surgery do you prepare for them to die?

My line of thinking is this, and it's probably why I enjoyed the season more then a lot of people around here. While everyone followed your train of thought "ugghh god expect the ****ing worst, 2-14, 3-14, 4-15, 1 win better maybe! playoffs maybe in 3 years, but no earlier, because I can't handle the expectations if they don't come through" you simply adjust, day by day.

Your mentality should flow with life. The most important thing we could ever understand in the deep questions of quantum physics is that we are not even a piece of sand to the beach. Our planet is not a piece of sand to the Universe's beach. Think on that scale, think on that level, and you don't have time to worry about things out of your control.

When he sucked last year, all I was doing was watching tape on QB's because somehow I knew in my mind this franchise was due for a fix. I wanted to see what was available, when I saw Robert my heart dropped. I already was in love with Luck, but this was so different. RG3 is not pedestrian on a human level. He is advanced. Well advanced. I met RG3 at training camp this summer, and he's beyond beyond. The moment I saw him take flight it was like...WTF is going on here? Who has kept this secret from Football? He's worth more then we gave. I've seen somewhere in the range of 24 professional QB's in person in my lifetime, I've NEVER seen what he does. Not from any mobile QB ever.

RG3 is a guy built on determination, motivation, and dedication. Guess what? These are all qualities that excel you through injury...but especially through rebuilding the tendons in your knee. Some guys are never the same after a knee, but some guys aren't RG3. Not everyone thinks like he does, he's so positive it's contagious. He's so confident you don't doubt him. I don't doubt him one second. My faith is entrusted in his mind, that he will take care of himself, that he knows what he's doing, and he'll be back for the season opener: No questions asked in my mind.

You and many people take a different approach to this. And I fully do know from studying this phenomena; you think negative expect negative. You think positive; expect positive. Go look at all the players that have cycled through this organization before him. Go look at why Carlos Rogers couldn't catch a cold here in Washington, then catches 6 picks for San Francisco. It's mental. Go look at why Carlos wasn't the same after knee surgery until 2 and a half years, because the kid is ****ing mental.

Why do I speak so much on the mental game? I've gone through it, I've experienced it, I've seen both sides in my own life and my own body.

I spoke on Carlos, and I'll give you a quote on Rocky McIntosh, who tore his knee 2 months after he did.

"McIntosh, who had a history of right knee problems while at the University of Miami, fared well in his offseason rehab, the Redskins said, and is considered to be further along than cornerback Carlos Rogers, who tore his right anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments in a 52-7 loss to the New England Patriots on Oct. 28."

"I'm just trying to be a guy, man," McIntosh said. "I'm just out here trying to help the team out, get better. Anytime you step between those white lines, you've got to give 100 percent, and that's what I do. That's what I'm doing out there. Right now, that's all I have time for. You know what I mean?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/30/AR2008073002900.html

Carlos played only 1 good season for us after that. Rocky played a much more physical position, got his knee rolled on after every third play, and played as one of the defense's best defenders for the following years until the switch to a 3-4.

I give you these examples because they're real, they're the Redskins, and they're recent. They both tore multiple ligaments by the way, with Rocky already have knee stuff from Miami. Similar to how RG3 has already had knee stuff from Baylor.

So again, you can continue to "think" negatively, protecting your own emotions and feelings by assuming he won't play in 2013. I'm going to think positively for him, because I know he's doing the same for himself. And I expect to see him out there week 1, no questions asked.

I'm also a betting man, so if you would like to join me in putting my money where my mouth is, please feel free to contact me. I have no problems with that whatsoever if you feel confident enough in yours.

[skinnyskins]

They can't be real with a 6-8 month comeback. They are trying to get sell season tix and boxes by saying he'll be ready for next season. We'll be VERY lucky to be able to put him on the PUP list for the opening 6 weeks and have him back by week 7. In reality, I don't see him back until 2014.

Remember, AP was the exception, not the rule for speedy recoveries and he did it with 'perfect' conditions. RGIII already had significant damage and Im sure the cartilage, scar tissue, and overall knee health is worse than what AP had to recover from.

[2cents]

They can't be real with a 6-8 month comeback. They are trying to get sell season tix and boxes by saying he'll be ready for next season. We'll be VERY lucky to be able to put him on the PUP list for the opening 6 weeks and have him back by week 7. In reality, I don't see him back until 2014.

Remember, AP was the exception, not the rule for speedy recoveries and he did it with 'perfect' conditions. RGIII already had significant damage and Im sure the cartilage, scar tissue, and overall knee health is worse than what AP had to recover from.

And you know all this how again???

[akorn22]

8-12 Months? Everything I have heard is 6-8 months. I know we all expect the worst but I think we might have dodged a bullet on this one.

"Michael Jablonski, a former team physician for the Orlando Magic, said he tells patients who have injuries similar to Griffin's to expect eight to 12 months to return to play, and more than that to feel as strong and stable as before the injury. "'

^ this was from a yahoo sports article i read earlier today. Jablonski goes on to say that it takes at least 8 months to heal and then another year to 'forget' about the injury. Adrian Peterson is obviously a case for optimism, but petersons case is rare.

Nevertheless, I hope you are right. But then again, I'd rather not rush RG3 back into anything. Just like everyone was saying he should have been benched in the first quarter because the future is more important than this season...I think the same goes for the start of next season.

[P()rter]

And you know all this how again???

Go read what Dr. Andrews said about AP knee. He said it was in excellent shape even after the tear.

[Riggo'sRangers]

People please stop talking about AP. He is the exception and not the rule.

Let's not fool ourselves into thinking there isn't a significant risk that RG3 may not come back the same. Think Bo Jackson.

Also remember, this is his second, not first, injury to that knee. Not good.

Don't think Bo. THAT was a totally different catastrophic injury. He lost the blood flow to the hip joint and the bone literally died. TOTALLY different and not comprable. HTTR

[P()rter]

"Michael Jablonski, a former team physician for the Orlando Magic, said he tells patients who have injuries similar to Griffin's to expect eight to 12 months to return to play, and more than that to feel as strong and stable as before the injury. "'

^ this was from a yahoo sports article i read earlier today. Jablonski goes on to say that it takes at least 8 months to heal and then another year to 'forget' about the injury. Adrian Peterson is obviously a case for optimism, but petersons case is rare.

Nevertheless, I hope you are right. But then again, I'd rather not rush RG3 back into anything. Just like everyone was saying he should have been benched in the first quarter because the future is more important than this season...I think the same goes for the start of next season.

12 mo. is my predictions as well. But, with our current medical staff he will probably play in the Pro bowl and be cleared to go skiing the next day.

[skinnyskins]

My thoughts on this thread.

"There is a theory called the Mobius. A tear in the fabric of space; where time becomes a loop. where time becomes a loop.. where time becomes a loop......"

[Rocky52Mc]

And you know all this how again???

Who knows...the season starts in 9 months. There's been cases when the body reacts well, they do the actual work, they're not lazy, where people can run after 4 months of knee reconstruction. Most the people around here have no idea what they're referring to. You can build the strength of a tendon progressively as you prepare, which should take a couple months along with continual building. The only people who are never the same, are the people who attempt to never be the same.

I have had knee surgery, of course there is pains and struggles. I do full fledged workouts, running, football, diving, jumping, ZERO limitations.

[J-bomb]

If the acl is not torn an you had surgery would there be a difference in recovery time if the acl was torn?

[theTruthTeller]

Obviously, Robert’s health is #1 priority and his recovery is in our hearts and minds.

But, does anybody feel like one of the worst parts of this injury is the “we told you so” from other fanbases? I mean, heading over to CowboysZone and reading the posts makes my stomach turn.

I'm pretty sure you can find more "I told you so"s without leaving home.

But part of the rehabilitation process will be Roberts appreciation for when his phenomenal athletic ability can get him in trouble. He needs to leave a few yards on the table.

[skinnyskins]

And you know all this how again???

Common sense, combined with the reality of the situation, combined with basic business knowledge about needing to sell a product. Also, Ive had a knee reconstruction for my ACL, MCL, and one meniscus using the same petellar tendon replacement surgery RGIII is having. I had it when I was a younger and quick-to-recover 17 year old. I rehabbed every day but these things just take time and it takes more than a year to fully trust it. I know not everybody's situation is the same and RGIII will receive much better treatment than I did, but I'm not going to get my hopes up on this situation.

[Rocky52Mc]

"Michael Jablonski, a former team physician for the Orlando Magic, said he tells patients who have injuries similar to Griffin's to expect eight to 12 months to return to play, and more than that to feel as strong and stable as before the injury. "'

^ this was from a yahoo sports article i read earlier today. Jablonski goes on to say that it takes at least 8 months to heal and then another year to 'forget' about the injury. Adrian Peterson is obviously a case for optimism, but petersons case is rare.

Nevertheless, I hope you are right. But then again, I'd rather not rush RG3 back into anything. Just like everyone was saying he should have been benched in the first quarter because the future is more important than this season...I think the same goes for the start of next season.

What you people don't UNDERSTAND is that YES what AP did was rare. BECAUSE HE HAS A RARE DRIVE. Guess what? Him and robert support the exact same weight, Peterson has a 5 year older body then RG3. Peterson also plays a position that requires the knee to be used more then RG3. Robert has to plant, burst, and support.

Peterson has to plant, support, force, twist, turn, burst, smack, on EVERY play. You get through injuries by DEDICATION, for the last ****ing time. AP is great because he WANTS to be great. Not being randomly the "chosen one to repair from knee surgery". Do none of you get that? At all?

---------- Post added January-9th-2013 at 11:48 AM ----------

If the acl is not torn an you had surgery would there be a difference in recovery time if the acl was torn?

Yes. Building up a ligament vs cutting open your knee.

[lovetoaster]

They can't be real with a 6-8 month comeback. They are trying to get sell season tix and boxes by saying he'll be ready for next season. We'll be VERY lucky to be able to put him on the PUP list for the opening 6 weeks and have him back by week 7. In reality, I don't see him back until 2014.

I hate this line of thinking about ticket sales. It just drips of unfounded conspiracy theory. Although we know the waiting list is a bit of a myth, we don't have much difficulty selling tickets as it is, and we are just coming off an NFC East Championship. We are not the Jaguars. And while you may not see him coming back until 2014, I will trust the doctors on this one.

---------- Post added January-9th-2013 at 11:57 AM ----------

"Michael Jablonski, a former team physician for the Orlando Magic, said he tells patients who have injuries similar to Griffin's to expect eight to 12 months to return to play, and more than that to feel as strong and stable as before the injury."

With all due respect to Dr. Jablonski, every person is different, and he has not had access to the MRI or the ligaments themselves. A lot of doctors have a lot of different opinions here, but I will trust the guys that are performing the procedure and know more about this particular patient.

I am not trying to be snarky at all, but this kind of thing can vary so much from person to person and procedure to procedure.

[2cents]

So did all of you questioning me read the original statement, that as far as I know, came from Dr. Andrews that said 6-8 months?? That's why I'm asking where all of you are saying its going to be at least a year or some other stuff. If the guy doing it says 6-8 and he is a world renound specialist, why should I listen to a guy whose friend had a different injury and you think you know the timetable better than Dr. Andrews. If the Dr. changes it, fine, but if he said 6-8 why should I listen to some guy on a message board saying it is going to be over a year???

[ChicagoRedskinsFan]

Sorry, Im gonna take the world class Dr. on this one and if they say 6-8 months thats what I am going to believe. No dissrespect but I take it you have not gone to med school nor do ACL LCL reconstructons? Neither do I so Ill defer to what the dr.'s say

Yes - why be negative? The estimate that he could be ready for the opener is the first piece of good news we've had in awhile. Even if he's delayed by 4-6 weeks for example, the Redskins proved in the final quarter of this season that they can play well with a with a limited or absent RGIII, so that should give us some confidence. For this same reason, I don't see why they didn't put in Cousins earlier in the game...uh oh...must stop negative thoughts.

[CapnRedskins]

My God the pessimism on this board reaches ridiculous levels sometimes. We hear it'll be 6-8 months from a legit source but no we'd rather just assume he'll miss all of next season anyway. I swear some people on this board enjoying torturing themselves and being miserable.

[Chump Bailey]

http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football

Robert Griffin III's father confirmed that his son is undergoing a full ACL replacement Wednesday morning.

RG2 said RG3 actually only had a partial tear of the ACL in addition to his LCL tear, but Dr. James Andrews determined that the full repair was needed. "Robert's ACL is intact, but not enough for his profession," Griffin II said in a text message to USA Today. "You and I could be fine. But he is an athlete. So they will replace." As of 11 a.m. ET Wednesday, Griffin was still being operated on by Andrews. The initial reported timetable is 6-8 months.

[JMUSkins]

My God the pessimism on this board reaches ridiculous levels sometimes. We hear it'll be 6-8 months from a legit source but no we'd rather just assume he'll miss all of next season anyway. I swear some people on this board enjoying torturing themselves and being miserable.

So true. You dare not get excited that he could be back for next season at 100%. Actually, scratch that... I triple dog dare you to get excited.

[Skins Wingman]

So did all of you questioning me read the original statement, that as far as I know, came from Dr. Andrews that said 6-8 months?? That's why I'm asking where all of you are saying its going to be at least a year or some other stuff. If the guy doing it says 6-8 and he is a world renound specialist, why should I listen to a guy whose friend had a different injury and you think you know the timetable better than Dr. Andrews. If the Dr. changes it, fine, but if he said 6-8 why should I listen to some guy on a message board saying it is going to be over a year???

thank you. the dr said 6-8, so its going to be 6-8. and if robert works hard like we know he will, it could be closer to 6 or less.

[ChicagoRedskinsFan]

I think everyone just needs to look forward to the draft and ignore the noise, its going to be a long offseason of specualting if Griffin can play or not, might as well just ignore it and try to treat this like any other offseason. For goodness sakes, we have 8 more months before football season, if we are already doing this now, this is going to be excruciating.

Yeah, just hard to dial it down after the intense (and happy) last couple months. Feels like we should be speculating who is going to start this week, not who is going going to start in September.

[jivelikenice]

Exactly....this timetable isn't coming from Shanahan. Its direct from Andrews to i buy it. That being said we have a more than capable backup who will have a full offseason of reps, a good running back, an improving line, and at least one good wideout. Our best offensive performance during the streak outside of the Dallas game came versus Cleveland Kirk ran the show that day. IF he has to play a couple of games we're ok, but frankly, I don't think he'll be under center in Week 1.

Also while this might not be ideal, this injury may force the Shanahan's to use RG3 in a more traditional Shanahan/Kubiak style offense utilizing the PA pass/ bootleg gameplan that we saw versus Cleveland. If we can run that offense with RG3's mobility, we'll be golden. What we were running this season was good to get RG3 acclimated to the NFL, but should have been toned down as the season wore on versus being ratcheted up. I still haven't heard one good reason why the Cleveland gameplan couldn't be replicated....

[EAB13]

Yes it's ridiculous, chicken littles.

[RVAbrendan]

thank you. the dr said 6-8, so its going to be 6-8. and if robert works hard like we know he will, it could be closer to 6 or less.

^ This. Robert will not accept not starting for this team in 2013. He will rehab his ass off and will be ready to go. Beef up the o line a little bit and let's capture the East.